Zimmerman Riot poll. place your bets

[tynopik]

So tell me how you would react if you had some guy following you at night for no apparent reason.

I'm pretty sure not 'jump them and beat their head into the pavement'

 

[Doppel]

you mean before or after i made it to the safety of my house and went back out looking for him?

I think he means after; like how exactly would you sneak up on this person and what manner of attack would you use?

 

[SlitheryDee]

So tell me how you would react if you had some guy following you at night for no apparent reason.

I'd get the hell out of there. If he followed me for too long I'd call the police. My assumption would be that he was following me with the intention of robbing me, so I would also assume that he was armed for the job.

If I were a rough type who wasn't very smart and thought he was a badass I might do something different though...

 

[Hacp]

So tell me how you would react if you had some guy following you at night for no apparent reason.

I'd run as fast as I can, away. That's the mistake Travon Martin made. That's the reason he was killed. Martin jumped Zimmerman and started beating him Fight Club style, like he learned from his friends in that video on his cell phone.

 

[BeeBoop]

TM had no respect for white people, white crackers and took it upon himself to brutality attack GZ.

 

[desura]

SYG wasn't cited in this case, it was pure self-defense



The real 'bad guy' is the one who jumped and viciously assaulted someone simply for following him

The problem with SYG is that it prevents investigation.

No matter what you think of who is at fault here, I think everyone agrees that having a trial was a good thing. Otherwise, there would have been a sense of injustice that would have caused major unrest, for understandable reasons.

 

[Doppel]

The problem with SYG is that it prevents investigation.

No matter what you think of who is at fault here, I think everyone agrees that having a trial was a good thing. Otherwise, there would have been a sense of injustice that would have caused major unrest, for understandable reasons.

A lot of people don't think a trial was a good thing here, but I agree with you that SYG certainly throws a wrench into the mix of things.

I think GZ acted fine based on what we know, but even though SYG wasn't used here I am not a huge fan of it.

 

[Patranus]

So tell me how you would react if you had some guy following you at night for no apparent reason.

If I was being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" I would call the police and/or run <100 yard home.

 

[QueBert]

Florida has retarded laws if I shoot and kill you it's okay if I was standing my ground. But I can't beat you to death, because apparently once a person is knocked to the ground they're magically not longer a threat.

You couldn't pay me to live in that shit state.

 

[tynopik]

The problem with SYG is that it prevents investigation.

no it doesn't

No matter what you think of who is at fault here, I think everyone agrees that having a trial was a good thing.

not at all, it was a travesty and a mockery of justice

Otherwise, there would have been a sense of injustice that would have caused major unrest, for understandable reasons.

sorry, we don't put people through the hell of a trial simply to satisfy the mob

it is the prosecutor's job to determine if there is enough evidence to win a conviction and NOT TO BRING A CASE TO TRIAL IF THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE

(oh, and guess what? was the mob 'satisfied' with an innocent verdict? perhaps we should go ahead and throw Zimmerman into jail to satisfy the mob too?)

 

[JEDI]

looks like zimmerman's going to get jacked up w/federal civil rights violation charges w/Obama's response to the verdict:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35261333#post35261333

 

[cmdrdredd]

The problem with SYG is that it prevents investigation.

No matter what you think of who is at fault here, I think everyone agrees that having a trial was a good thing. Otherwise, there would have been a sense of injustice that would have caused major unrest, for understandable reasons.

You all are forgetting the purpose of SYG at all. It ONLY applies if you have a justifiable use of force in a self defense situation. This trial was to determine if the use of force was justified.

Florida has retarded laws if I shoot and kill you it's okay if I was standing my ground. But I can't beat you to death, because apparently once a person is knocked to the ground they're magically not longer a threat.

You couldn't pay me to live in that shit state.

You obviously have no clue at all. The law does NOT say that at all.

In florida you can carry a knife, a club, a stun gun or taser etc with your CCW permit. There is NOTHING that precludes non-lethal force.

Shit state? The only shit states are the ones who outright PREVENT you from defending yourself against an attacker. NY, CA, IL etc. There are states that say that if someone is robbing your house right in front of you and you witness it you can do nothing. If you detain that person etc you can go to jail and in many cases do. There are states that say that if someone is holding a knife or firearm to you demanding money and you fight back and win, you are going to jail. Those are shit states. Florida is not among them thank God. If you really feel as you do then by all means don't move here and ruin it for the rest of us who actually want to be able to defend their life and the lives of their family members.

You guys all need to get a clue regarding self defense and the purpose of laws that allow protecting yourself from an attacker. The difference you seem to be unable to grasp is you cannot be the agressor. Words, how you feel about someone, how you think someone might act have no bearing at all. I can stand there and say whatever I want and you can think I will attack you but if you take it upon yourself to attack me, you become the aggressor at that point. You are not permitted under self defense laws to attack someone because they say something you dislike or watch you. Speculation means nothing, the situation is defined by what actions are taken. Someone walking behind you is not an aggressive behavior. You may not attack them because you don't like them. You cannot claim self defense until you are attacked or in immediate danger of great bodily harm or death. Seeing a white guy at night doesn't adhere to these guidelines by any means.

 

[jpiniero]

looks like zimmerman's going to get jacked up w/federal civil rights violation charges w/Obama's response to the verdict:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35261333#post35261333

I don't know if you can really read that from what he said though. Now, could O force the DoJ to do it? Absolutely.

Guess it's a good thing for Zimmerman's sake that the NSA stuff has died down a bit.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Florida has retarded laws if I shoot and kill you it's okay if I was standing my ground. But I can't beat you to death, because apparently once a person is knocked to the ground they're magically not longer a threat

This make a lot of sense to me.

 

[waggy]

We had a bad riot here last night. i had a garbage bucket knocked over =(

 

[Craig234]

looks like zimmerman's going to get jacked up w/federal civil rights violation charges w/Obama's response to the verdict:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35261333#post35261333

There is zero evidence they will charge him. It is under review, as is normal.

 

[desura]

no it doesn't



not at all, it was a travesty and a mockery of justice



sorry, we don't put people through the hell of a trial simply to satisfy the mob

it is the prosecutor's job to determine if there is enough evidence to win a conviction and NOT TO BRING A CASE TO TRIAL IF THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE

(oh, and guess what? was the mob 'satisfied' with an innocent verdict? perhaps we should go ahead and throw Zimmerman into jail to satisfy the mob too?)

Uh, yes it does. Police will investigate a murder less enthusiastically if the shooter claims SYG, especially given the penalties in the law that are applied against individual police officers doing their jobs, put in at the behest of a paranoid NRA mind.

The "mob" had legitimate concerns. An unarmed teen is shot and killed by a man who follows him around a complex. And then an arrest and trial is not done due to a quirk in the law.

The irony of SYG is that...gun people always claim that just brandishing the weapon should be enough. Yet, they want to prevent full investigations of instances where there are shootings -- e.g. failure in the brandishing of a weapon.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

There is zero evidence they will charge him. It is under review, as is normal.

So what is it Zimerman should be found guilty of?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Uh, yes it does. Police will investigate a murder less enthusiastically if the shooter claims SYG, especially given the penalties in the law that are applied against individual police officers doing their jobs, put in at the behest of a paranoid NRA mind.

The "mob" had legitimate concerns. An unarmed teen is shot and killed by a man who follows him around a complex. And then an arrest and trial is not done due to a quirk in the law.

The irony of SYG is that...gun people always claim that just brandishing the weapon should be enough. Yet, they want to prevent full investigations of instances where there are shootings -- e.g. failure in the brandishing of a weapon.

Prove the bolded part because no, this doesn't happen. You don't have officers arrive on scene and someone claim "I stood my ground" and they all leave. It doesn't work like that. You can only be covered under SYG if you are justified in the use of force. The officers who did the initial investigation found him to be justified in his use of force in self defense. Therefore...he was legally allowed to stand his ground and meet force with force. You don't seem to understand the law's usage. Let me explain it.

Before SYG was in effect if you were attacked you had a duty to retreat and had to try to find a way out until you were cornered and only then could you meet force with force. Many times people would find themselves to be unjustified to shoot when presented with a gun from a mugger because they could have ran. Think about that, if someone has a gun pointed at you and demands money do you really think you have time to run to safety before you get shot in the back anyway? In those situations only the most highly trained could actually employ their weapon effectively, but if someone did they would find themselves facing jail time for defending themselves in certain situations. Now you have no duty to retreat and are allowed to stand your ground and meet force with force. However you still have to meet the requirements of justified use of force up to and including deadly force. You must be in a place you are legally allowed to be at the time, not in the commission of any crime during this time, and reasonably believe that you are in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death to you or another person. It is not a free pass. If it was found that a person was not in a position where great bodily harm or death was possible, they could not under the law stand their ground. If it was found that someone was the aggressor and initiated the attack physically, then they also would not be covered. If someone punched you and then walked away or backed off, you could not open fire on that person. You would not be standing your ground. The threat was over and while they assaulted you, you are not in a position where great bodily harm or death would occur.

 

[dr150]

 

[exdeath]

But I can't beat you to death, because apparently once a person is knocked to the ground they're magically not longer a threat.

This is legally and morally correct.

 

[tynopik]

Uh, yes it does. Police will investigate a murder less enthusiastically if the shooter claims SYG, especially given the penalties in the law that are applied against individual police officers doing their jobs, put in at the behest of a paranoid NRA mind.

1. why would they investigate it 'less enthusiastically'?
2. what penalties against police

The "mob" had legitimate concerns.

No it does not.

Ever.

Prosecutors should make decisions based on the evidence. Period.

An unarmed teen is shot and killed by a man who follows him around a complex.

A vicious thug was killed while attacking an innocent victim.

And then an arrest and trial is not done due to a quirk in the law.

Self-defense is not a 'quirk'.

It is a fundamental right.

The irony of SYG is that...gun people always claim that just brandishing the weapon should be enough. Yet, they want to prevent full investigations of instances where there are shootings -- e.g. failure in the brandishing of a weapon.

Again, SYG does nothing to prevent investigations.

Again, SYG has nothing to do with this case.

 

[BUTCH1]

1. why would they investigate it 'less enthusiastically'?
2. what penalties against police



No it does not.

Ever.

Prosecutors should make decisions based on the evidence. Period.



A vicious thug was killed while attacking an innocent victim.



Self-defense is not a 'quirk'.

It is a fundamental right.



Again, SYG does nothing to prevent investigations.

Again, SYG has nothing to do with this case.

Maybe this bit I just read from an AP story on part of the 27 page instructions might help clear thing up as to why the decision is what it was,

"But the essential criteria for deciding the case came from the court itself, which told jurors that Zimmerman was allowed to use deadly force when he shot the teen not only if he actually faced death or bodily harm, but also if he merely thought he did. "

'nuff said, and WOW what a fucked up law, if I'm carrying with a valid CC and I something/someone is scary enough. blast it!...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

"But the essential criteria for deciding the case came from the court itself, which told jurors that Zimmerman was allowed to use deadly force when he shot the teen not only if he actually faced death or bodily harm, but also if he merely thought he did. "

'nuff said, and WOW what a fucked up law, if I'm carrying with a valid CC and I something/someone is scary enough. blast it!...

this is what spidey has been saying for years.

 

[disappoint]

We had a bad riot here last night. i had a garbage bucket knocked over =(

Musta been racoons yo.

Them coons they black,
they white,
they mad,
they fight,
they knock yo bucket ovah,
they still think they right.