Zero Gauge Cable

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BassBomb

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I am running 0 gauge, bought a Sound quest SK0 kit off amazon

can be found on newegg also.. its pretty good

my username is misleading, i don't have a subwoofer in the car yet

i used 0AWG just so that if i add a second amp in the future (for a subwoofer) I won't have to run another power wire or worry about any other wiring
 

Red Squirrel

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

That WOULD be fun. From far.

Ah yes we would not want this to happen and you be called FriedSquirrel instead. ;)

Few squirrels have learned that the hard way. Never walk on hot and neutral at the same time, and don't take chances, just jump right over transformers. :eek:

Or just say screw it, and use the telco lines instead. ;) Safer jump distance to totally freak out random passer bys too.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: harobikes333


I've talked to car audio store owners ( over 20 years doing it ) He swears by the new batteries i guess. He doesn't even sell capacitors at his audio shop.

1900A output - I'd love to drop a 1" diameter drill rod across those terminals to see the sparks! :evil:

:laugh:
Why? Copper's more conductive.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Howard

Why? Copper's more conductive.

It's too malleable and the chance of sticking to the terminals is real. If that happens it's RLHT (run like hell time). High carbon steel produces fantastic showers of sparks and usually bounces high in the air after being dropped across the terminals of a large Pb battery.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Pantlegz1
Originally posted by: sdifox
wtf kind of current are you running that you need 0 gauge?

I installed a system in a friend trunk with 00 gauge. it was a wall of 6 12" something like 2500 watts RMS. it was absurd but it would jump a cell phone a good 6 feet off the top of the truck, lol. It was a comp truck tho, go figure.

2500w (I am assuming 8Ohm) is not a whole lot of draw. You should be able to use 12GA Romex for that. Run of the mill 12GA Romex is rated for 20A although most code calls for 15A per breaker circuit.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: harobikes333


I've talked to car audio store owners ( over 20 years doing it ) He swears by the new batteries i guess. He doesn't even sell capacitors at his audio shop.

1900A output - I'd love to drop a 1" diameter drill rod across those terminals to see the sparks! :evil:

:laugh:


Seriously, you need to stay in Arkham. Sometimes I wonder how you are alive.


But then when I was in grade 6, just learning about electricity so we were playing with electromagnets. You know, wire around a nail coupled to a drycell, no biggie.

Genius here did not know the difference between AC and DC (hey 100V should be a lot better than 1.5V), so I decided to wire the electromagnet to a plug which I happened to have in my pocket. Plugged it in and flew the fuse of half the school (we are talking WWII era wiring). Nothing happened to me other than blackend finger, and the prongs of the plug just evaporated.

Oh and a very loud bang...

 

Evadman

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0 gauge? Wussy. I used 4/0 (about 1/2" thick conductor) for a 18' run from the front of my truck to the back. Bought 30' of it for $30 shipped a few years ago. Yes, $30 total, or a buck a foot. It was marine cable, designed for corrosive environments, and was double sheathed. The outside sheath was for high abrasion resistance and was about 1/4" thick. It had a crazy high strand count (2+ thousand IIRC) for serious flexibility. I still have about 10' of it in my garage, along with a bunch of 2/0 and 4 gauge wire that was made the same.

I actually had the relay short out internally in my truck a few years ago. The full current of 3 red top optima batteries ran though the cable for about 2 minutes while I was disconnecting the cabling. The amperage was so high that the relay itself melted, the firewall partially melted, two 2 gauge ground wires melted, and the stainless steel brake lines between the firewall and frame (the last grounding path that didn't melt) were glowing white hot and set some of the regular wiring on fire even without direct contact. When I was disconnecting the 4/0 cable I could feel the hum of the electricity passing though it, but it wasn't hot.

The next morning when I checked the batteries they were at just over 12 volts (~0% remaining charge) which means in that 2 minute span I used up the 465 minute reserve capacity of the batteries. To pull down that much wattage in 2 minutes means the full amperage was somewhere north of 5000 amps. (465 min*25 amps = 11625 amp/minutes, or 5812 amps for 2 minutes) That's nearly 70,000 watts. The radio transmitter on top of the sears tower is only 50,000 watts. Wee!
 

harobikes333

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The amp will run two channels each at 2ohms running 650Watts RMS. It has two 50 amp fuses... So i know at max it will pull 100 Amps... So... in reality what do you think the amp could put out as far as Watts?
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: sdifox

2500w (I am assuming 8Ohm) is not a whole lot of draw. You should be able to use 12GA Romex for that. Run of the mill 12GA Romex is rated for 20A although most code calls for 15A per breaker circuit.

www.ohmslawfail.com

;)

Originally posted by: Evadman
That's nearly 70,000 watts. The radio transmitter on top of the sears tower is only 50,000 watts. Wee!

The 70kW figure is palatable IF the circuit voltage was 12V which it certainly was not. Crowbar your batteries with a milliohm shunt and get a voltage reading and see what it really is. Ever tour a TV transmitting facility? Pretty fascinating stuff if it's your thing btw. ;)

Originally posted by: harobikes333
The amp will run two channels each at 2ohms running 650Watts RMS. It has two 50 amp fuses... So i know at max it will pull 100 Amps... So... in reality what do you think the amp could put out as far as Watts?

Crack it open and check out the power supply. It's impossible for an amplifier to put out more than its power supply is capable of.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: sdifox

2500w (I am assuming 8Ohm) is not a whole lot of draw. You should be able to use 12GA Romex for that. Run of the mill 12GA Romex is rated for 20A although most code calls for 15A per breaker circuit.

www.ohmslawfail.com

;)

Doing the simplified estimation in my head. For speaker application shorter than 50' anything thicker than 10AWG (assuming non pro setup) is overkill.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: sdifox

Doing the simplified estimation in my head. I know AC is different than DC.

Don't forget the 10:1 ratio between electrical systems! ;)
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: sdifox

Doing the simplified estimation in my head. For speaker application shorter than 50' anything thicker than 10AWG (assuming non pro setup) is overkill.

This discussion is about the SUPPLY wires feeding a 12VDC automotive amplifier. Yes I agree the wires between the amplifier and speaker cabinets do not need to be very large unless the runs are long or a single line going to many drivers in parallel, etc.

Originally posted by: harobikes333
What would a non pro set up be?

...?

Help?

You're running wire from your battery tray in the engine compartment to where your amps are mounted? (trunk?) Welding cable is fine.
 

Rubycon

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You can get welding cable in various gauges starting at 4 AWG and going lower.
 

BlackTigers

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Upgrade the wires in your engine compartment, while you're at it.

Battery to Alternator
Engine block to Chassis
Battery ground to Chassis

 

0roo0roo

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well first of all u'd stop worrying about freakin cable.

there are so many other factors that really do influence sound in car audio..which is a ridiculously hostile environment for audio quality. deadening/sound proofing of the whole car for one. speaker quality/mount locations, careful eq adjustment to compensate for over/under emphasis of freq in car.

u think these http://www.motorauthority.com/...fsen-sound-system.html http://www.marklevinsonlexus.com/overview.asp?model=ls etc
use zero gauge wire? do you really think your 1gigawatt stereo really sounds better than such high end stuff? mostly fancy cables and such are just money spent shining turds.
 

harobikes333

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well first of all u'd stop worrying about freakin cable.

there are so many other factors that really do influence sound in car audio..which is a ridiculously hostile environment for audio quality. deadening/sound proofing of the whole car for one. speaker quality/mount locations, careful eq adjustment to compensate for over/under emphasis of freq in car.

u think these http://www.motorauthority.com/...fsen-sound-system.html http://www.marklevinsonlexus.com/overview.asp?model=ls etc
use zero gauge wire? do you really think your 1gigawatt stereo really sounds better than such high end stuff? mostly fancy cables and such are just money spent shining turds.


WOW oroooroo. That very interesting links.

Oh yeah, i'm planning on doing the "big three"
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Upgrade the wires in your engine compartment, while you're at it.

<Battery to Alternator
Engine block to Chassis
Battery ground to Chassis

NEVER bypass the fusible link! If the alternator faults and you have a solid 2AWG line from the POS to alternator there's a good chance of fire.

LOL at factory stereo systems with those brands. B&O is botique at best and ML is good quality stuff for the HOME I'd leave reservation about mobile platforms. True they have great engineering for THAT vehicle, etc. Soundstage will be decent as will frequency response for the most part. Custom will give better power and far better bass. Of course being a musican I'm biased on sound. As long as instruments sound like they do in person and are playing where they were recorded in the studio the hard work pays off. Sadly they rarely get it right. Recordings are also to blame. A good system will instantly reveal a shitty recording! Always.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: sdifox

Doing the simplified estimation in my head. For speaker application shorter than 50' anything thicker than 10AWG (assuming non pro setup) is overkill.

This discussion is about the SUPPLY wires feeding a 12VDC automotive amplifier. Yes I agree the wires between the amplifier and speaker cabinets do not need to be very large unless the runs are long or a single line going to many drivers in parallel, etc.

Exactly, feeding the amp, which is in charge of generating the say, 2k watts 8ohm rms from 12VDC. I imagine it is a class-D amp which further reduces the amperage requirement. I just don't see how going over 10GA gets you anything at all other than a cooler running wire.
 

BlackTigers

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Upgrade the wires in your engine compartment, while you're at it.

<Battery to Alternator
Engine block to Chassis
Battery ground to Chassis

NEVER bypass the fusible link! If the alternator faults and you have a solid 2AWG line from the POS to alternator there's a good chance of fire.

Every car audio site and forum and guru and installer on the planet would tell you that's one of the first things you should do in a high powered system :p