Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[Hulk]

But who wants 9 babies? It's a labored analogy at this point.

"Labored." hehe

 

[desrever]

With pipelining they can absolutely achieve 1 baby per month rate.

Yeah, if we just keep the pipeline prefed with babies 1 month from delivery and apply branch prediction, we can have babies in 1 month when we want them.

 

[fastandfurious6]

what the speculation going here

 

[LightningZ71]

You can achieve better than one baby per mother per cycle. With advanced equipment, you can easily achieve more than 12 babies a year with fewer than 9 mothers.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You can achieve better than one baby per mother per cycle. With advanced equipment, you can easily achieve more than 12 babies a year with fewer than 9 mothers.

we're going straight to Axolotl tanks with this

 

[Timorous]

what the speculation going here

Something about Zen 6 getting people pregnant at an increasingly alarming rate.

 

[LightningZ71]

We just abusing an analogy, badly. The Baby-on pro processor is 9 way on the back end, but the ways periodically retire more than one instruction at a time.

 

[Joe NYC]

Medusa point 1 is early 2027

That would be a disaster for AMD to have a nearly 3 year cadence.

 

[yuri69]

That would be a disaster for AMD to have a nearly 3 year cadence.

Strix was a 2024-2025 product. Gorgon (Strix refresh) is slated for 2026. Medusa comes in 2027. This has been presented by leaked roadmaps for quite a while and, sadly, it fits.

 

[StefanR5R]

Laptop makers just need new OPNs for their product cycles, not new microarchitectures.

 

[Joe NYC]

Strix was a 2024-2025 product. Gorgon (Strix refresh) is slated for 2026. Medusa comes in 2027. This has been presented by leaked roadmaps for quite a while and, sadly, it fits.

Strix Point, equivalent of Medusa Point, was released in June 2024,

"Early 2027" for the equivalent product is 3 year cadence, and it is bad for AMD, since one area where AMD is lagging is quality notebook SoCs. Which means that AMD needs to iterate faster, not slower, in order to achieve leadership.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Strix Point, equivalent of Medusa Point, was released in June 2024,

"Early 2027" for the equivalent product is 3 year cadence, and it is bad for AMD, since one area where AMD is lagging is quality notebook SoCs. Which means that AMD needs to iterate faster, not slower, in order to achieve leadership.

you should stop

 

[Joe NYC]

you should stop

I still expect Medusa Point in 2026, which would be fine.

I was responding to @marees and others, who think Medusa Point is going to be a 2027 product. My opinion of that (2027 release) is that it would be a fail on part of AMD.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

I still expect Medusa Point in 2026, which would be fine.

I was responding to @marees and others, who think Medusa Point is going to be a 2027 product. My opinion of that (2027 release) is that it would be a fail on part of AMD.

Medusa is a 2027 product as per FAD slide deck.

 

[marees]

Strix Point, equivalent of Medusa Point, was released in June 2024,

"Early 2027" for the equivalent product is 3 year cadence, and it is bad for AMD, since one area where AMD is lagging is quality notebook SoCs. Which means that AMD needs to iterate faster, not slower, in order to achieve leadership.

2.5 years cadence

First AMD Ryzen AI 300 "Strix Point" Laptops Rescheduled For Launch on 28th July

AMD's "Ryzen AI 300" processors are expected to hit the markets a bit later than expected, as retailers push the launch date to 28 July.

wccftech.com

Whether that is good or bad I don't have any comments

For ex:Mendocino is due for replacement by zen 7 grimlock point 4 — in 2028 to 2030 timeframe

 

[Joe NYC]

Medua is a 2027 product as per FAD slide deck.
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Strix / Krackan on the chart is 2025, even though Strix Point was released in June 2024.

So if the release of Medusa chips spans a period of time, like a year, that does not preclude Medusa Point, as the first mobile Zen 6 CPU, to be released in 2026.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I still expect Medusa Point in 2026, which would be fine.

I was responding to @marees and others, who think Medusa Point is going to be a 2027 product. My opinion of that (2027 release) is that it would be a fail on part of AMD.

There are many different levels of volume you can hit at a given 'launch' date.
In any case, "cadence" is a worthless metric unless you deliver on perf.

 

[Joe NYC]

There are many different levels of volume you can hit at a given 'launch' date.

Yes, but there is a big difference if the starting, small volume is in Q3 2026 or if the initial starting small volume is in Q1 2027

In any case, "cadence" is a worthless metric unless you deliver on perf.

It's better to have 0.9x of delivered performance improvement in 2 years than 1.0x delivered performance in 3 years.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It's better to have 0.9x of delivered performance improvement in 2 years than 1.0x delivered performance in 3 years.

?

 

[Joe NYC]

?

I am saying that AMD should not become the next Intel.

As in failing to execute on its cadence and promise pie in the sky in 1 year delayed product.

 

[Saylick]

I tried to follow the last dozen pages to get caught up, but all I got caught up on was how many babies 9 mothers could make in 1 month.

To get back on track, what's the expectation of AMD launches in 2026? Is it just desktop Zen 6 in Q4?

 

[adroc_thurston]

I am saying that AMD should not become the next Intel.

They don't have fabs.

As in failing to execute on its cadence and promise pie in the sky in 1 year delayed product.

They don't delay stuff much either.

To get back on track, what's the expectation of AMD launches in 2026? Is it just desktop Zen 6 in Q4?

Q3'26 for stuff.

 

[Thibsie]

I am saying that AMD should not become the next Intel.

As in failing to execute on its cadence and promise pie in the sky in 1 year delayed product.

Delayed to wa they announced or delayed to your expectations?

 

[Fjodor2001]

Q3'26 for stuff.

What stuff?

 

[marees]

What stuff?

Server & desktop zen 6