Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[adroc_thurston]

Given the RAM situation, many people might be better off grabbing Medusa Halo assuming there are any available!

that thing very much has DRAM attached to it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

that thing very much has DRAM attached to it.

Right but an OEM can secure deals for RAM in bulk and (maybe) get some as opposed to DiY people that will be fighting one another for scraps. Plus with NV partially pulling out of the consumer dGPU market, it may be impossible to find dGPUs as well.

 

[poke01]

Given the RAM situation, many people might be better off grabbing Medusa Halo assuming there are any available!

Zen6 Medusa halo isn’t coming till mid 2027 I think and it WILL be expensive.

Many DIY users on AM5 already have DDR5 memory. This RAM thing doesn’t effect those people.

 

[adroc_thurston]

This RAM thing doesn’t effect those people.

Well it does impact new builds (also impacts people stuck on 16G somehow etc).

 

[inquiss]

Would be interesting. But note that enthusiasts on this forum is not representative of the market as a whole.

It's like in a brief glimmer you almost understood. This is the post.

 

[LightningZ71]

Are we REALLY having this same debate for the 37 millionth time?!?! Most modern games that have considerable system demands for good performance have between 1 and 3 threads who's performance is highly determinant of in game performance, given any reasonably obtainable GPU. Period. Many of them have a handful to several dozen secondary non-time dependent threads that do housekeeping, data movement, and do physics and other trivial tasks. Only as 1T and GPU performance approaches infinity do those other threads matter much. It's why 6 core processors are still relevant and it's why those very low end 4P/4e alder lake hx processors still give you playable frame rates when paired with decent GPUs.

It gets really tedious with all the GOTCHA, trolling and pedantic posts constantly cluttering this place up.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It gets really tedious with all the GOTCHA, trolling and pedantic posts constantly cluttering this place up

It's just one guy on a crusade to make 48t gaming real™.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Just give us 24 more coars bro, I promise everyone will buy more nT bro

 

[lopri]

So the assumption seems to be that Zen 6 will have a 12-core CCD as the basic building bloc. It is not an unreasonable expectation, but why? Did AMD give a hint?

I am hoping for a new I/O die more than anything. AMD please do not cheap out.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Did AMD give a hint?

yeah says right there in the docs.
It's a 12C N2p 17ML part.

I am hoping for a new I/O die more than anything.

it's a SOC tile and yeah.

AMD please do not cheap out.

I mean the packaging is fancy this time but the actual cIOD config is barebones as usual.

 

[Fjodor2001]

It's just one guy on a crusade to make 48t gaming real™.

It’s 48T CPUs, and you can use them for whatever you like, not only gaming.

And they will be released in H2 whether you continue to relentlessly crusade against it or not. Also it’s not only one guy but two you’ll have to take the fight with if you disagree, both AMD and Intel.

 

[itsmydamnation]

It’s 48T CPUs, and you can use them for whatever you like, not only gaming.

And it’s going to be reality in H2 whether you relentlessly continue to crusade against it or not. Also it’s not only one guy but two you’ll have to take the fight with if you disagree, both AMD and Intel.

you so odd.

full of fause eqivalances and purposesly missing the point.

Lets see what the most popular CPU next gen is in DIY , or Steam shall we?

No one* cares about cores/thread => 6/12 , perf per core after that. like even in job based scheduling systems scaling threads gets really hard unelss you have such clean memory boundaries that your task is almost "embaressingly parrelle".

Its you who has this odd obsession , i suspected so you can find a victory somewhere for intel...... then everyone will buy Zen6 X3D anyway, im zen 4X3D so i know i probably will and it will be $per per core where core >= 6 , i suspect 8 will be the minimum AMD sell again.

* figuritve not ilitteral

 

[Fjodor2001]

you so odd.

full of fause eqivalances and purposesly missing the point.

Lets see what the most popular CPU next gen is in DIY , or Steam shall we?

No one* cares about cores/thread => 6/12 , perf per core after that. like even in job based scheduling systems scaling threads gets really hard unelss you have such clean memory boundaries that your task is almost "embaressingly parrelle".

Its you who has this odd obsession , i suspected so you can find a victory somewhere for intel...... then everyone will buy Zen6 X3D anyway, im zen 4X3D so i know i probably will and it will be $per per core where core >= 6 , i suspect 8 will be the minimum AMD sell again.

* figuritve not ilitteral

I suggest you send your post to AMD and Intel, and see if you can convince them stop the release of their 48T CPUs in H2.

 

[branch_suggestion]

I suggest you send your post to AMD and Intel, and see if you can convince them stop the release of their 48T CPUs in H2.

They're only 48T since SP8 needed a core count bump.

 

[Fjodor2001]

They're only 48T since SP8 needed a core count bump.

They are still intentionally being released on the DT market too. And regarding Intel they do not release anything on SP8 by the way…

 

[luro]

They are releasing it because there always will be some clueless guy who thinks he needs more cores

 

[Geddagod]

Wahhh my tests are better than your tests!!11111!!!11

yeah when my tests contain 4x the games tested than whatever cherry picked games @tsamolotoff chose, my tests are better lmao.
Fun fact, only 5 out of the 15 biggest pc hardware reviewers testing showed the 9800x3d as having more than a 15% average uplift between the 9800x3d and 7800x3d, much less 20%.
Zen 5 is just mid for gaming. At least ARL get's the uncore excuse tbh.

 

[Hulk]

I need moar cores.

 

[tsamolotoff]

be so fr bruh

It is actually more accurate than 1080p no-oc testing by HWUB that gets GPU limited half the time

yeah when my tests contain 4x the games tested than whatever cherry picked games @tsamolotoff chose, my tests are better lmao.

It's not cherry picked, it's just full OC test in 720p with both CPUs overclocked and not limited by GPU or RAM (and Steve tests with stock settings and XMP in Full HD), also if I actually wanted to cherry pick, I'd take CS2 test runs, in which even non-x3d zen5 performs exceptionally well

 

[Joe NYC]

I need moar cores.

I need moar cache and more fmax.

 

[Kryohi]

I need moar cache and more fmax.

I need moar cores, moar cache and less heat

 

[reaperrr3]

It’s 48T CPUs, and you can use them for whatever you like, not only gaming.

That's not the point.
And >95% of desktop users will use the new CPUs only for gaming (and lesser tasks that benefit even less from more than 12C/24T).

I suggest you send your post to AMD and Intel, and see if you can convince them stop the release of their 48T CPUs in H2.

They are still intentionally being released on the DT market too.

Intel is doing it because brute-force MT is their only chance to win any benchmarks.
AMD is doing it in part to counter Intel for marketing reasons, in part to make some extra pocket money from that small niche of people who do other stuff than gaming.

That doesn't change the fact that these will make up maybe 1% of volume and 2-3% of desktop revenue, if not less, and are irrelevant for gaming, which is THE main purpose of buying a faster CPU for every normal desktop PC buyer/upgrader.

In fact, I fully expect in this cycle more people will go for mono-CCD models, and less sales for dual-CCD models compared to previous gens, because mono-12C is a decent MT upgrade vs. 8C without the caveats of dual-CCDs.
I can absolutely see 7900X and 9900X owners, possibly even 7950X owners "downgrading" to the Ryzen 7 580X or whatever AMD will call the 12C mono-CCD vanilla model.

 

[adroc_thurston]

AMD is doing it in part to counter Intel for marketing reasons, in part to make some extra pocket money from that small niche of people who do other stuff than gaming.

They're doing that because they have leaky 12c CCDs they gotta stash somewhere.

 

[jpiniero]

It’s 48T CPUs, and you can use them for whatever you like

Like Cinebench?

 

[techjunkie123]

MOAR ST (IPC/clocks/whatever I don't care) and LESS POWER, and give me 8 of them.

That's what matters in the laptop market. Desktop is the same but power doesn't matter as much.