Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Abwx]

it's passmark, you can safely ignore it.

In any ST bench it will be 7%, so Passemark is a kind of worst case figure.

 

[Joe NYC]

it's passmark, you can safely ignore it.

Geekbench 6 showed ~4.1% gain of 9850x3d over 9800x3d

 

[eek2121]

This one made me giggle a bit: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...at-retailers-with-early-pricing-above-9800x3d

I'm about 99% certain this is reusing the CCDs from the 9950X3D. They just wanted a more competitive part and a way to sell those higher performing CCDs to folks not willing to shell out for a dual CCD design. If it ends up being a new stepping I'd be shocked, because I've heard nothing except silence from the usual sources. Not even a BIOS leak indicates a new stepping, thus far. My current theory is that they have a surplus of CCDs hitting 5.6+ ghz and wanted a way to monetize them. I.e. TSMC yields are too good so binning is hard.

I guess we'll find out soon.

Oh, and the rumors of the 9950X3D(2)? Same reason. AMD has been discussing this stuff internally. God I wish I still had a contact at AMD, I definitely want to attend more conferences, expos, and crap when I am physically able.

 

[SteinFG]

Ok, it took some time, but now we're actually going backwards. Ryzen 5 with 4 cores (AI 5 430) and Ryzen 7 with 6 cores (AI 7 445) are part of 2026 laptop chip lineup. Graphics are anemic too (2 WGPs)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-ai-7-445-gorgon-point-6-core-cpu-leaks-out-features-radeon-840m-igpu

 

[jpiniero]

Ok, it took some time, but now we're actually going backwards. Ryzen 5 with 4 cores (AI 5 430) and Ryzen 7 with 6 cores (AI 7 445) are part of 2026 laptop chip lineup. Graphics are anemic too (2 WGPs)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-ai-7-445-gorgon-point-6-core-cpu-leaks-out-features-radeon-840m-igpu

Gotta make room for the NPU.

 

[fastandfurious6]

nothing special, just rebranded 'half-defect' yields

refresh-gens like gorgon point are never interesting, just marketing/fillers

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Ok, it took some time, but now we're actually going backwards. Ryzen 5 with 4 cores (AI 5 430) and Ryzen 7 with 6 cores (AI 7 445) are part of 2026 laptop chip lineup. Graphics are anemic too (2 WGPs)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-ai-7-445-gorgon-point-6-core-cpu-leaks-out-features-radeon-840m-igpu

This isn't new? The KRK chop and KRK2 have been a thing for a while.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-5-340.html

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-5-330.html

 

[eek2121]

Supposedly, 9950X3D2 leak: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/15755183

 

[Win2012R2]

Well well well, and so many people in this thread said X3D2 won't happen

 

[Win2012R2]

I'm about 99% certain this is reusing the CCDs from the 9950X3D. They just wanted a more competitive part and a way to sell those higher performing CCDs to folks not willing to shell out for a dual CCD design.

So what? Smart thing, should have been done from start - I had to disable non-3D cache chiplet to get perf anyway because of crappy scheduling, how many people want to waste half the CPU just like that? Much easier to pay some premium on 8 core in the first place, this model should have been in from start.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Supposedly, 9950X3D2 leak: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/15755183

Another one here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-dual-cache-ryzen-9-9950x3d2-appears-in-first-benchmark-leaks-gaming-focused-cpu-features-192mb-of-l3-cache-stacked-across-both-ccds

 

[Fjodor2001]

Since it looks like 9950X3D2 now will happen after all, what conclusions can we draw from that? One is that it signals that we can expect games to make use of up to 16C/32T going forward. Because why otherwise include X3D cache for more than 8C/16T.

 

[carrotmania]

Since it looks like 9950X3D2 now will happen after all, what conclusions can we draw from that? One is that it signals that we can expect games to make use of up to 16C/32T going forward. Because why otherwise include X3D cache for more than 8C/16T.

Because the margins on a $999 cpu that will actually sell are, you know, a companies raison d'etre.

And, yes, it will be $999. Adroc was once again correct... just not about anything he said.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Because the margins on a $999 cpu that will actually sell are, you know, a companies raison d'etre.

And, yes, it will be $999. Adroc was once again correct... just not about anything he said.

He said 9950X3D2 will not happen, and he was wrong. Simple as that. Don’t try twisting the truth.

And we don’t know what 9950X3D2 will cost. But if it’ll be $999 then it has to perform clearly better than 9950X3D, meaning we can expect games making use of more than 8C/16T and up to 16C/32T going forward.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Well, with the DDR5 prices being like that, at this point I think I'd rather have the 5950X3D and hold out a bit longer on AM4.

 

[jpiniero]

Well, with the DDR5 prices being like that, at this point I think I'd rather have the 5950X3D and hold out a bit longer on AM4.

Compubase had the 9800X3D 41% faster than the 5800X3D. Course some of that is because of DDR5 but that's a decent amount higher.

 

[Thunder 57]

Well well well, and so many people in this thread said X3D2 won't happen

You can throw me in that camp. Did not see it happening.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Compubase had the 9800X3D 41% faster than the 5800X3D. Course some of that is because of DDR5 but that's a decent amount higher.

Yes, but my current 59000X AM4 setup has 128GB RAM and I'm not in the mood of spending $1500 on the same amount of slow DDR5 for my upgrade. My options are either go down to like 32GB until things settle down or wait on AM4.

I wish I hadn't decided to wait to see how the 9950X3D2 will perform, though I don't think anyone could have foreseen the speed at which the DRAM market would blow up (and the specific process at which I can purchase hardware needs to be slow, unfortunately).

 

[DrMrLordX]

You can throw me in that camp. Did not see it happening.

Gotta admit, the benchmarks for this vs. the 9950X3D should be very interesting!

 

[eek2121]

Yes, but my current 59000X AM4 setup has 128GB RAM and I'm not in the mood of spending $1500 on the same amount of slow DDR5 for my upgrade. My options are either go down to like 32GB until things settle down or wait on AM4.

I wish I hadn't decided to wait to see how the 9950X3D2 will perform, though I don't think anyone could have foreseen the speed at which the DRAM market would blow up (and the specific process at which I can purchase hardware needs to be slow, unfortunately).

Ah, a time traveler, I see. Tell me, what is the nT score of your 59000X and when can i get one? 😉

 

[Joe NYC]

Since it looks like 9950X3D2 now will happen after all, what conclusions can we draw from that? One is that it signals that we can expect games to make use of up to 16C/32T going forward. Because why otherwise include X3D cache for more than 8C/16T.

In workstation application tests, on Phoronix, 9800x3d is about 11% faster than 9700x. It means that workstation workloads also like large L3.

In client workloads, its use will be limited.

IMO, AMD should release these for AM5 server products - EPYC 4005 line of products.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

IMO, AMD should release these for AM5 server products - EPYC 4005 line of products.

If it's appearing as Ryzen 9 9950X3D then it's already settled it's coming to consumer/prosumer.

 

[jpiniero]

I think the reason AMD is even bothering with the Dual VCache is because they forsee the DIY market crashing because of the memory price hikes. I'm sure it'll still be very pricey - $999 sounds right. Will people bite just because of the novelty?

 

[Joe NYC]

If it's appearing as Ryzen 9 9950X3D then it's already settled it's coming to consumer/prosumer.

I am not saying it is not coming to consumer / prosumer. In fact, I like the fact that AMD is releasing it. For customers, for whom money is no object, and want the very best, this is going to be the right CPU.

It's just that for typical client apps and gaming, the increased performance from:
9850x3d -> 9950x3d -> 9950x3d2
will be quite minimal considering increasing MSRP of these products.

And additionally, if AMD has capacity to churn out more product, to incentivize TSMC to increase 3D SoIC stacking capacity, EPYC 4005 with V-Cache would also be a good use of that capacity.

On client, it might make sense for AMD to start to de-emphasize 9800x3d and push mainly 9850x3d as the main gaming CPU.

For bad bins, AMD should release 9600x3d as a more budget friendly product. 9600x3d would, on balance, be quite competitive with Arrow Lake.

 

[Win2012R2]

meaning we can expect games making use of more than 8C/16T and up to 16C/32T going forward.

Nah, maybe in 10 years on PS7