Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Abwx]

what's the point of tiny kraken when you get used phoenix full 8core machine for 500 bucks 😭

Where are those 500$ 8C PHX.?.
At this price you wont even find a 6C PHX2.

That s PHX/PHX2 offerings in Germany wich is the most competitive european market, all prices have 19% VAT included.

Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix

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[marees]

Is that the rumored Samsung node chip? Sonoma Point?

Single core results are low. I guess maybe clock speeds are much lower than TSMC.

Sonoma *valley*

Given the state of samsung I would be surprised if they fabbed for external clients on 4nm or advanced

 

[Jan Olšan]

Based on Gorgon Point configs, it could be even 2+4 / 4 CU / 14 PCIe 4.0.
But it is starting to look close to Krackan 1 then. They could use cut Krackan1 for 2+4 configs instead and make special die for quadcores, if they want to sell a lot of those. Depends what is supposed to be the highest volume part, I guess.

 

[fastandfurious6]

Where are those 500$ 8C PHX.?.
At this price you wont even find a 6C PHX2.

That s PHX/PHX2 offerings in Germany wich is the most competitive european market, all prices have 19% VAT included.

Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix

geizhals.de

I said used

but even new around 700 bucks,
with 2 min search on german market, 673euro perfect midrange lightw machine:

Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 16AHP10 16" WUXGA R7-8840HS 16GB/512GB SSD Win11 | eBay.de

AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS Prozessor, 8 Kerne (bis zu 5.10 GHz). Prozessortyp: 8840HS. AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS (8C / 16T, 3.3 / 5.1GHz, 8MB L2 / 16MB L3). Produktserie: IdeaPad. HD Status: WUXGA. Massenspeicher-Bauart: SSD.

www.ebay.de

it can do everything no lag, perfect professional machine and can even play AAA games at 1080p low 30fps

and on the link you gave there's 8c phoenix thinkpad at ~900 Euro


how lower can kraken really go to? how is it even feasible for amd to churn out so many kraken designs, somehow pointless. phoenix is a really good chip


though at these usecases macbook air is unbeatable

 

[SteinFG]

I just hope this AI 5 330 chip gets into one laptop model and ends up being forgotten. Otherwise it's gonna be sad - mainstream Ryzen 5 quad-core laptops are still gonna be a thing well past 2025. 7520U wasn't the end apparently.

 

[igor_kavinski]

7520U wasn't the end apparently.

The chip isn't horrible but OEMs have been very disingenuous selling it in premium laptops. I know someone who bought an ASUS OLED laptop in mid-2024 (manufactured same year) for close to 700 euros. It's fine for normal work but the multicore performance is severely lacking for something priced so high.

 

[fastandfurious6]

500-600 bucks is pretty much the bottom ceiling for laptops, it's a complete machine.... screen keyb chassis mobo ram psu everything

when market has premium 8core on good mid-range chassis at that price there is no cpu downgrade possible

i.e. 400 bucks gets you crap tier chassis with celeron-tier lag fest, 8gb ram, even TN screen...... everyone can afford a few hundred more to have a much easier life lol

 

[Abwx]

Review of an HP laptop with a 12 cores STH 390.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-serious-14-inch-workstation-laptop-thanks-to-Strix-Halo-HP-ZBook-Ultra-G1a-review.1031131.0.html

 

[poke01]

Review of an HP laptop with a 12 cores STH 390.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-serious-14-inch-workstation-laptop-thanks-to-Strix-Halo-HP-ZBook-Ultra-G1a-review.1031131.0.html

Zen 6 Halo will be even more amazing I think and I really don’t believe anyone can match it the whole package. 256 bit up to 192GB RAM, Zen6 cores and RDNA5. Really the pinnacle of mobile computing.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Zen 6 Halo will be even more amazing I think and I really don’t believe anyone can match it the whole package. 256 bit up to 192GB RAM, Zen6 cores and RDNA5. Really the pinnacle of mobile computing.

Gonna be a bunch of competition there.

 

[poke01]

Zen 6 Halo will be even more amazing I think and I really don’t believe anyone can match it the whole package. 256 bit up to 192GB RAM, Zen6 cores and RDNA5. Really the pinnacle of mobile computing.

Also look at the difference in battery life compared to the OLED model. Much better.

I’m very impressed. Hopefully, in the future we can get more efficient OLED panels from HP.

 

[poke01]

Gonna be a bunch of competition there.

Yep but really it’s interesting to see how Qualcomm and Nvidia deal with x86 emulation apps and games. Intel too with NVL-halo but I don’t see it being as good as Zen 6 Halo.

 

[Abwx]

Also look at the difference in battery life compared to the OLED model. Much better.

I’m very impressed. Hopefully, in the future we can get more efficient OLED panels from HP.

Hopefully HP stepping in will lead other OEMs to follow suite.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yep but really it’s interesting to see how Qualcomm and Nvidia deal with x86 emulation apps and games.

Mainly Nvidia. I don't have much hope from QC. They are just doing this as a side experiment. They don't really care if they fail or even drop out of the market later. Their main business will keep them well fed for decades unless something changes drastically.

 

[jpiniero]

Gonna be a bunch of competition there.

Is it really a competition if it's mainly for Wall Street?

 

[poke01]

Mainly Nvidia. I don't have much hope from QC. They are just doing this as a side experiment. They don't really care if they fail or even drop out of the market later. Their main business will keep them well fed for decades unless something changes drastically.

Their side experiment ended when they brought NUVIA. Gerard and his team are long time drivers roadmap architects, I expect great CPU IP from them.

 

[Josh128]

Whoa! This is a hella good deal.

 

[igor_kavinski]

9950X3D craze has left lots of 9950X yearning for a home. AMD should take note and next time release the X3D parts first so they don't end up with unwanted SKU inventory.

 

[Thunder 57]

9950X3D craze has left lots of 9950X yearning for a home. AMD should take note and next time release the X3D parts first so they don't end up with unwanted SKU inventory.

The X3D craze is insane. Who would pay $230 more for the X3D version? Apparantly, a lot. I don't understand it. The X3D chips are nice at lower resolutions but not that nice for the cost when Zen 6 should be out later next year.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't understand it.

These are all the people who used to pay for the Intel K and KS SKUs. Now those aren't good enough anymore and Raptor Lake is really old at this point so they have no choice but to spend on the best CPU money can buy.

 

[CakeMonster]

The X3D craze is insane. Who would pay $230 more for the X3D version? Apparantly, a lot. I don't understand it. The X3D chips are nice at lower resolutions but not that nice for the cost when Zen 6 should be out later next year.

I do think they get over recommended compared to the vanilla versions, especially for people who just do light gaming. But for those who game a lot, minimum frame rates and dips are some of the most annoying things. I'm increasingly in favor of having a base CPU level before I even look at the GPU for a setup. Sure is nice to average very high for 60-90% of a game at GPU limit, but at least for me those drops and variations because its waiting for CPU are something I tolerate less and less and am increasingly willing to sacrifice peak/max fps for.

 

[Thunder 57]

These are all the people who used to pay for the Intel K and KS SKUs. Now those aren't good enough anymore and Raptor Lake is really old at this point so they have no choice but to spend on the best CPU money can buy.

That's certainly an option. But honestly vanillia Zen 4/5 should suffice for most. Hell I play Doom TDA on a vanillia Zen 3 with no problem. Of course, idtech is pretty damn good. I haven't even tried any UE5 game.

I do think they get over recommended compared to the vanilla versions, especially for people who just do light gaming. But for those who game a lot, minimum frame rates and dips are some of the most annoying things. I'm increasingly in favor of having a base CPU level before I even look at the GPU for a setup. Sure is nice to average very high for 60-90% of a game at GPU limit, but at least for me those drops and variations because its waiting for CPU are something I tolerate less and less and am increasingly willing to sacrifice peak/max fps for.

Low mininums do suck. But I'd imagine game developers realize the X3D is a small minority of gamers. Most probably do it on a prebuilt or laptop. The X3D market just gets a bonus,

 

[Joe NYC]

Whoa! This is a hella good deal.

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This one as well. Now #1 bestseller on Amazon.

Kind of useless at introductory price of $299, but it is flying off the shelves at $156

 

[Joe NYC]

Low mininums do suck. But I'd imagine game developers realize the X3D is a small minority of gamers. Most probably do it on a prebuilt or laptop. The X3D market just gets a bonus,

I am going to guess that majority of current game developers are now developing on X3D computers, and maybe 2-3 years down the road, that level of performance will be a requirement.

 

[Thunder 57]

I am going to guess that majority of current game developers are now developing on X3D computers, and maybe 2-3 years down the road, that level of performance will be a requirement.

I very much doubt that. That would leave far too many people out.