Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Abwx]

AMD says that the 9950x scores ~42k in Cinebench r23 MT at stock. That's the number I would go with, though the power consumption isn't known. It can use up to 230W, but there's reason to believe it doesn't actually use quite that much.

This 42k score is not stock, that s at some fixed frequency or something like this, if you look at the alleged stock 7 Zip score it s only 3.8%faster than a 7950X, wich is dubbious.

 

[FlameTail]

TechTechPotato is doing a livestream discussing Zen5 architecture:

Dr. Ian Cutress and George Cozma (Chips&Cheese).

 

[Rheingold]

It doesn't look to me like 15% to 25% IPC uplift MLID has been talking about:

It will be. The Raptor Lake baseline is dwindling down every minute. /s

 

[Philste]

The Italian Dude put a comment under his Video, with english translation. He says the CPU was already purchasable in Italy in some shops, so he didn't sign an NDA. He just bought it. The RAM config was the best they found for the moment. In non Gaming tests, the CPU performs "incredibly".

 

[gaav87]

Italian guy was running 1800uclk 3600mclk 2400fclk beta gigabyte bios limitations (prolly not stable).
So we can see maybe 5-7% gains with proper tunned vs his results.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Italian guy was running 1800uclk 3600mclk 2400fclk beta gigabyte bios limitations (prolly not stable).
So we can see maybe 5-7% gains with proper tunned vs his results.

Still a weird comparison and outcome since gamers won't look at the 9900X, they'll look at the 9700X which should perform better in games than the 9900X due to 8+0 layout and no dual CCD penalty.

 

[mpumalanga]

Why should he report on the new features of Zen 5? You can get that everywhere on the internet, that's not what people come to Charlie's site for. What you want is for them to release that information, give people like him time to digest it and come up with a list of questions, then provide enough Q&A time for him and other members of the press to ask and have answered their questions about the information.

It sounds like they barely allotted any time for Q&A, and to the extent they did they turned every question into something they could answer with "AI". Obviously they were told to do so by some marketing idiot up on high.

That's the kind of thing you read him for - to understand what is happening behind the scenes at a company. So why does AMD appear unwilling to talk about Zen 5 other than in context of "AI AI AI"?

Pointing out the Pluton thing is good too, as AMD apparently LEFT IT OUT OF THE BLOCK DIAGRAM until Charlie (and perhaps others, to be fair) called them out on it. Why do they want to hide that? Could it be because they know while it is something Microsoft wants, it is not something any of their customers want?

I agree with your points above, its not Charlie's fault that the tech day wasn't much of a tech day.
So, it is absolutely ok to point that out.
However, after the third time I get his point, no need to moan about it over and over again. To me that was excessive.
And we still don't know why he thinks that happens so often in the last years.

 

[Hitman928]

This 42k score is not stock, that s at some fixed frequency or something like this, if you look at the alleged stock 7 Zip score it s only 3.8%faster than a 7950X, wich is dubbious.

It’s stock. AMD did a live overclocking demonstration and that is the score they got at stock.

 

[Abwx]

It’s stock. AMD did a live overclocking demonstration and that is the score they got at stock.

They said that it was about what could be obtained at stock but the chip was under LN2 when they got this number.

Looking at the 55046 pts score at 6.375Ghz then those 42k were performed at 4.86GHz, beside the alleged 7 Zip 214,113 score is only 3.83% better than the 7950X, wich lead me to think that those numbers are not what we ll see in reviews.

The 7950X 7 Zip score can be found here, it s 206,214 :

Intel Core i9-14900KS im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks, Leistungsaufnahme & Temperatur

Intel Core i9-14900KS im Test: Anwendungs-Benchmarks, Leistungsaufnahme & Temperatur / Testsystem und Testmethodik für Anwendungen

www.computerbase.de

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

TechTechPotato is doing a livestream discussing Zen5 architecture:

Dr. Ian Cutress and George Cozma (Chips&Cheese).

Ian said that Zen 5c would see a much smaller drop in frequencies compared to what Z4c had relative to the classic cores.
Interesting.

 

[Joe NYC]

Ian said that Zen 5c would see a much smaller drop in frequencies compared to what Z4c had relative to the classic cores.
Interesting.

Zen 5c will (apparently) be on N3e, vs. N4p for Zen 5, which may have something to do with that.

BTW, Zen 4 -> Zen 4c was also a slight node improvement, from N5 -> N4

 

[Det0x]

in other news

We appreciate the excitement around Ryzen 9000 series processors. During final checks, we found the initial production units that were shipped to our channel partners did not meet our full quality expectations. Out of an abundance of caution and to maintain the highest quality experiences for every Ryzen user, we are working with our channel partners to replace the initial production units with fresh units.

As a result, there will be a short delay in retail availability. The Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors will now go on sale on August 8th and the Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X processors will go on sale on August 15th. We pride ourselves in providing a high-quality experience for every Ryzen user, and we look forward to our fans having a great experience with the new Ryzen 9000 series.

AMD PR

 

[inf64]

Wow what a clusterf** . Good news is that it seems the parts they shipped for reviews (and into retail channel) had an unknown issue that will be fixed (maybe it explains the odd performance numbers some reviewers saw).

 

[lucasworais]

in other news

WTF

 

[Saylick]

in other news

*dons tin foil hat*
Is this because Intel said they would release their microcode update also on August 15th... *rubs chin*

 

[StinkyPinky]

I wonder if Youtubers like GamersNexus etc noticed a problem and let AMD know? Either way, better now than a full recall later. It's just two weeks, no lifes will be lost.

 

[CakeMonster]

I love that Intel conspiracy theory

But it seriously sucks, I was so ready to build and I have basically promised my current CPU to someone else soon as well...

And the leaks, there's no way things won't leak in two more weeks if people already have the CPU.

 

[lucasworais]

+32% IPC Zen5 on August 15th!!

 

[Abwx]

That s 8 and 15 days delay , depending of the SKU :

As a result, there will be a short delay in retail availability. The Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors will now go on sale on August 8th and the Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X processors will go on sale on August 15th.

AMD Ryzen 9000: Verkaufsstart aufgrund von Qualitätsproblemen verschoben

Der Zeitplan war am Ende zu eng, nun verschiebt AMD den Start von Ryzen 9000 aufgrund von Qualitätsproblemen auf Mitte August.

www.computerbase.de

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

There's your answer for the lack of pricing.

 

[inf64]

+32% IPC Zen5 on August 15th!!

I was waiting for this comment lol

 

[Jayzen]

Man, this has just been a giant cluster....excrement, hasn't it?

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Zen 5c will (apparently) be on N3e, vs. N4p for Zen 5, which may have something to do with that.

BTW, Zen 4 -> Zen 4c was also a slight node improvement, from N5 -> N4

Strix uses N4P and has 8 dense cores.

 

[poke01]

+32% IPC Zen5 on August 15th!!

Pls stop

 

[Joe NYC]

Strix uses N4P and has 8 dense cores.

I forgot about those. We will see how high the clock in the notebooks.