Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Markfw]

Are the Epyc 7005 series also using SP6?

Milan and Rome use socket SP3, all of them. Genoa, all variants use SP5. SP6 does not come out until Zen 5 variants. That is if you are talking about sockets.

I have all but Milan-x but they also use SP3

 

[mostwanted002]

How fast is the churn of serverside sku's from datacenters?

pretty fast. As Markfw mentioned, even newer CPUs are available.

 

[mostwanted002]

They are available now on ebay. Prices are not bad, since Zen 4 server chips are so good. I would recommend them over Milan-x.

I'd love to but the motherboard costs kill my wallet. I'd like to just drop in an upgrade in my existing board.

Storytime: The $80 bet I placed on an eBay EPYC CPU

The seller listed it for parts as "I don't have the equipment to test it, hence selling it for parts. No returns."

I looked at the pictures, CPU looked fine in pictures. So I placed an $80 bid and won. It was EPYC 7F72 (Rome)

It cost me around $200 or so when I received it in my country (cost+shipping+customs duty), still not bad. I looked at the CPU more closely and found, one of the SMDs on the back of the CPU is just popped off. like it burnt and removed itself from the CPU but still stuck to the CPU. I was like damnnn... Did I just buy a $200 coaster?

Talked to a few fellas in the Level1Techs discord server, and they told me that the CPU has a 90% chance of working. They don't need all the SMD caps/res on the back.

I was looking for used EPYC SP3 motherboards with PCIe Gen4 and ample PCIe x16 slots (was planning a multi-GPU rig out of this)

found Asrock Rack ROMED8-2T, a lovely board. Has everything I need. $690 on NewEgg/BestBuy. RIP. Even if I imported it, would've cost me more than $1k. EBay listings were from China and were even more expensive.

Found an authorized distributor in my country, and bought the board for $800 (cost + taxes). The $80 gamble has now turned into a ~$1k investment 🤣🤣

Bought a pair of 8GB RDIMMs just to test if it POSTs. To my fucking surprise, it just worked. all memory channels. everything. I just placed the CPU in the board, installed memory, and viola!! IT HAD A POST. Proceeded to order 64GB x 4 kit from EBay seller. And it's running great now.


TL;DR
Bought a burnt EPYC CPU for $80 in an eBay gamble, and it worked. The motherboard is expensive.

 

[Markfw]

I'd love to but the motherboard costs kill my wallet. I'd like to just drop in an upgrade in my existing board.

Storytime: The $80 bet I placed on an eBay EPYC CPU

The seller listed it for parts as "I don't have the equipment to test it, hence selling it for parts. No returns."

I looked at the pictures, CPU looked fine in pictures. So I placed an $80 bid and won. It was EPYC 7F72 (Rome)

It cost me around $200 or so when I received it in my country (cost+shipping+customs duty), still not bad. I looked at the CPU more closely and found, one of the SMDs on the back of the CPU is just popped off. like it burnt and removed itself from the CPU but still stuck to the CPU. I was like damnnn... Did I just buy a $200 coaster?

Talked to a few fellas in the Level1Techs discord server, and they told me that the CPU has a 90% chance of working. They don't need all the SMD caps/res on the back.

I was looking for used EPYC SP3 motherboards with PCIe Gen4 and ample PCIe x16 slots (was planning a multi-GPU rig out of this)

found Asrock Rack ROMED8-2T, a lovely board. Has everything I need. $690 on NewEgg/BestBuy. RIP. Even if I imported it, would've cost me more than $1k. EBay listings were from China and were even more expensive.

Found an authorized distributor in my country, and bought the board for $800 (cost + taxes). The $80 gamble has now turned into a ~$1k investment 🤣🤣

Bought a pair of 8GB RDIMMs just to test if it POSTs. To my fucking surprise, it just worked. all memory channels. everything. I just placed the CPU in the board, installed memory, and viola!! IT HAD A POST. Proceeded to order 64GB x 4 kit from EBay seller. And it's running great now.


TL;DR
Bought a burnt EPYC CPU for $80 in an eBay gamble, and it worked. The motherboard is expensive.

well, this is a Zen 5 thread, so this is my last post. I got s 9554 for $2500, and the motherboard for $715. The memory was $75 for a 16 gig stick for as many as I wanted. Blows away Rome in every respect, especially avx-512 stuff. So looking forward this should be your target.

Back to Zen 5 !!!!

 

[Joe NYC]

Milan and Rome use socket SP3, all of them. Genoa, all variants use SP5. SP6 does not come out until Zen 5 variants. That is if you are talking about sockets.

I have all but Milan-x but they also use SP3

IIRC, SP6 is for Siena - lower tier server chips with fewer memory channels.

 

[Philste]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815858108989665327

Reviewers definitely have ZEN5 in Hand right now.

 

[leoneazzurro]

Of course, reviewers normally take at least two weeks if they want to run multiple test and sort out the initial issues.

 

[MS_AT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815858108989665327

Reviewers definitely have ZEN5 in Hand right now.

That comment about CP2077 is interesting as AMD was using it as comparison point in its press materials citing +13% lead vs 14900k for both 99xx SKUs

 

[jdubs03]

Well, look what we have here
Same boost clock as the 370. Would be nice if it had an extra 100 MHz.

AMD introduces new Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 "Strix Point" APU: NPU now up to 55 TOPS - VideoCardz.com

AMD launches HX 375 SKU with faster NPU unit A third Strix Point SKU focuses on AI performance. AMD has confirmed the existence of the Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 SKU, which aligns with previous speculation about its appearance in an upcoming HP laptop. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 is a new addition to […]

videocardz.com

 

[inf64]

I was browsing the good old bilibili and found this video: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xRe2epE3d/
(CS2 gameplay on 9950X machine, all core turbo seems to be ~5.5Ghz (1:16 mark):

 

[leoneazzurro]

Well, look what we have here
Same boost clock as the 370. Would be nice if it had an extra 100 MHz.

AMD introduces new Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 "Strix Point" APU: NPU now up to 55 TOPS - VideoCardz.com

AMD launches HX 375 SKU with faster NPU unit A third Strix Point SKU focuses on AI performance. AMD has confirmed the existence of the Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 SKU, which aligns with previous speculation about its appearance in an upcoming HP laptop. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 is a new addition to […]

videocardz.com

They probably only overclocked a bit the NPU because of HP's requests. Nothing more than that.

 

[Timmah!]

So, reviews today?

 

[Silvinjo]

Wait what, today already ? I though its day or two before launch

 

[Timmah!]

Wait what, today already ? I though its day or two before launch

I saw somewhere its gonna. Be a week before launch? Maybe i was dreaming that, though

 

[tsamolotoff]

all core turbo seems to be ~5.5Ghz (1:16 mark):

This probably means the limiter is still in place, but I'd never actually use boost anyway if normal static OC was available on x3d.

 

[Josh128]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1815858108989665327

Reviewers definitely have ZEN5 in Hand right now.

Gary Colomb is a laptop reviewer-- he is likely speaking about Strix.

**EDIT: Its exactly 7 days before "official" launch date and we still have no pricing announcement from AMD-- I very much doubt that Zen 5 desktop reviews are dropping today. I did read somewhere that today there may be Strix laptop reviews available.

 

[Det0x]

Seems like some reviewers are still waiting for samples

Reviewers still waiting for AMD Ryzen 9000 samples - VideoCardz.com

Update: AMD has confirmed Ryzen 9000 launch delay. Check our story for full details. Ryzen 9000 samples: missing in action Less than a week for testing. AMD’s Ryzen 9 9950X processor, Source: Antony Leather/Forbes AMD is currently facing issues with distributing Ryzen 9000 series samples to...

videocardz.com

And i have a sneaking feeling there will be few 9950X for sale at launch

 

[Josh128]

New 9950X GB run, fresh off the presses. Apparently some are getting out there.

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[Abwx]

Some info from AMD, lot of slides, among others this one wich state configurable 256/512b datapath in Zen 5 :

AMD Zen 5 Update: Etwas mehr Theorie zur Architektur und noch keine Praxis

Noch einmal rückt AMD Zen 5 in den Fokus und verrät mehr zur Theorie. Praxis gibt es nach wie vor nicht, während der Marktstart naht.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Seems like some reviewers are still waiting for samples

Reviewers still waiting for AMD Ryzen 9000 samples - VideoCardz.com

Update: AMD has confirmed Ryzen 9000 launch delay. Check our story for full details. Ryzen 9000 samples: missing in action Less than a week for testing. AMD’s Ryzen 9 9950X processor, Source: Antony Leather/Forbes AMD is currently facing issues with distributing Ryzen 9000 series samples to...

videocardz.com

And i have a sneaking feeling there will be few 9950X for sale at launch

Time to setup the bots/autorefreshers/stock notifs from Falcodrin

 

[MS_AT]

Some info from AMD, lot of slides, among others this one wich state configurable 256/512b datapath in Zen 5C :

AMD Zen 5 Update: Etwas mehr Theorie zur Architektur und noch keine Praxis

Noch einmal rückt AMD Zen 5 in den Fokus und verrät mehr zur Theorie. Praxis gibt es nach wie vor nicht, während der Marktstart naht.

www.computerbase.de

AMD marketing is making lot's of typos, while L1/L2 BTB might just sound weird and be the actual value, then FP pipes is definitely wrong as Zen4 had 4 pipes so far according to AMD itself, unless they will now disable one pipe over the net

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Is the GPU L2 cache amount of Strix Point known?

There you go, now we know

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

View attachment 103693
There you go, now we know

Also hard confirmation it's a 4 + 8 CCX layout.

 

[Josh128]

CPU-Monkey (yes, I know) has published a CB R23 single and MT benchmark for 9900X they claim is vetted and legit. 2360 for R23 single core. If correct, 5.7 extrapolates to 2402 for 9950X. So its possible we'll see some 2400 ST runs. I got this from their Twitter reply 6 hours ago to TechEpiphany's X post.

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_9_9900x

 

[Abwx]

AMD marketing is making lot's of typos, while L1/L2 BTB might just sound weird and be the actual value, then FP pipes is definitely wrong as Zen4 had 4 pipes so far according to AMD itself, unless they will now disable one pipe over the net

The L1/L2 BTB is indeed curious, as for the FP pipe methink that it s related to the 3/1 L/S ratio that limit the effective pipes utilisation to 3 ops/cycle, if the operands cant be loaded more pipes will have no effect for the thoughput.