Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Jan Olšan]

Do FP and SIMD use the same physical units in a CPU core?

In AMD uarchitectures, yes - integer and floating point SIMD goes in the coprocessor ("FPU") part, usually separate and on the right half of the diagram in the schematics AMD publishes. Intel big cores had integer simd execution on the same ports as integer ALUs IIRC.

 

[Mopetar]

@adroc_thurston No new AM4 parts eh?

AMD to introduce Ryzen 9 5900XT and Ryzen 7 5800XT processors 7 years after first AM4 CPU launch - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 5000XT series launches soon – AM4 socket lives on At Computex, AMD will reveal both the new AM5 Ryzen 9000 series and the AM4 Ryzen 5000XT models. The latter are the latest update for the old-gen AM4 socket. The fact that the Ryzen 5000XT series is coming is actually not a surprise...

videocardz.com

Seems kind of pointless. The 5950X is already available for what the 5900XT is purported to retail for. The 5800X is quite a bit cheaper than what the article says the 5800XT will retail for and the extra 100 MHz isn't worth it and for most people a 5700X3D/5600X3D is probably better than either of those.

 

[Abwx]

Seems kind of pointless. The 5950X is already available for what the 5900XT is purported to retail for. The 5800X is quite a bit cheaper than what the article says the 5800XT will retail for and the extra 100 MHz isn't worth it and for most people a 5700X3D/5600X3D is probably better than either of those.

They will surely have sligtly better MT perf, same as the 5600GT vs 5600G,
so not that pointless.

Der Sockel AM4 lebt: 5700X3D und 5800X3D trennen 200 USD, 5000GT ab 125 USD

Neben Ryzen 8000G präsentiert AMD zur CES 2024 auch vier neuen Ryzen 5000 für den Sockel AM4, darunter den Ryzen 7 5700X3D.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Thunder 57]

Seems kind of pointless. The 5950X is already available for what the 5900XT is purported to retail for. The 5800X is quite a bit cheaper than what the article says the 5800XT will retail for and the extra 100 MHz isn't worth it and for most people a 5700X3D/5600X3D is probably better than either of those.

Wait so the 5900XT is a 16 core? AMD marketing always finding a way to fail . I could see a market for that though, if priced right. It could be another 5700X, or as TomsHardware said, "A price cut disguised as a new chip". The 5800XT though would be pointless.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

IPI + 15%, whatever that means
AVX512 + 30%
Above average gaming performance uplift when games use > 8 cores.

Zen5c = Q1 2025
Turin AI = canceled

 

[poke01]

This dude. I become should become a YouTuber and sell snake oil. I maintain my >30% IPC uplift.

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

IPI + 15%, whatever that means
AVX512 + 30%
Above average gaming performance uplift when games use > 8 cores.

Zen5c = Q1 2025
Turin AI = canceled

 

[Thunder 57]

Meanwhile the people that are really "in the know" are probably laughing at him. I mean we have a thread here asking if MLID is a legitimate source. We'll see soon enough how it all pans out.

 

[FlameTail]

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

[Deletes video 3 days later]

IPI + 15%, whatever that means

Lol.

Zen5c = Q1 2025

So is he saying Strix Point is Q1 2025? That contradicts the sentiment here that Strix Point is Q3 2024.

 

[Joe NYC]

So is he saying Strix Point is Q1 2025? That contradicts the sentiment here that Strix Point is Q3 2024.

I think by that he meant Turin Dense for server.

 

[Markfw]

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

IPI + 15%, whatever that means
AVX512 + 30%
Above average gaming performance uplift when games use > 8 cores.

Zen5c = Q1 2025
Turin AI = canceled

I have been seeing an add for days for AI in the data center. So it must be turin.

 

[Kepler_L2]

I think by that he meant Turin Dense for server.

Another classic "guess every possibility so you can't miss" from MLID. Here he was just two months ago saying Turin-Dense launches in September:

 

[Joe NYC]

Another classic "guess every possibility so you can't miss" from MLID. Here he was just two months ago saying Turin-Dense launches in September:View attachment 100161

He covered all ground so that he can take a victory lap if Turin Dense is on time or if it is late.

 

[Thunder 57]

He covered all ground so that he can take a victory lap if Turin Dense is on time or if it is late.

Hell, maybe I should start up a Youtube channel and claim nonsense and get paid. This clown show does it and people still watch him. Even after that fake slide that he ran with. Supposedly he gets interviews but what would I know? I don't financially support a fraud.

 

[Jan Olšan]

This dude. I become should become a YouTuber and sell snake oil. I maintain my >30% IPC uplift.

OTOH, the 800-series chipsets were real, so he had a real stuff from mobo makers, back then. It's not black&white and 100% making up stuff.

 

[poke01]

OTOH, the 800-series chipsets were real, so he had a real stuff from mobo makers, back then. It's not black&white and 100% making up stuff.

Sure but he has no clue on definite performance numbers. That’s the snake oil I’m referring to.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Sure but he has no clue on definite performance numbers.

We plebians don't know the exacts neither. In fact, I think this is the most secretive it's been for AMD.

 

[del42sa]

OTOH, the 800-series chipsets were real, so he had a real stuff from mobo makers, back then. It's not black&white and 100% making up stuff.

and I believe those are main sources of his "leaks" and yes it´s not 100% black of white, but we should always judge them very carefully, especially with the interpretation of some details, when something gets easily "lost in translation" YouTube leakers love inventing stuff and spreading it over 30 minutes, because their main purpose is to get as much click as possible

 

[FlameTail]

Hell, maybe I should start up a Youtube channel and claim nonsense and get paid. This clown show does it and people still watch him. Even after that fake slide that he ran with. Supposedly he gets interviews but what would I know? I don't financially support a fraud.

Can you match his charisma?

I think that's why he's so popular.

 

[Saylick]

Can you match his charisma?

I think that's why he's so popular.

If by charisma you mean annoyingly self-important then sure.

 

[Thunder 57]

and I believe those are main sources of his "leaks" and yes it´s not 100% black of white, but we should always judge them very carefully, especially with the interpretation of some details, when something gets easily "lost in translation" YouTube leakers love inventing stuff and spreading it over 30 minutes, because their main purpose is to get as much click as possible

Agreed. I refuse to watch videos longer than 10 minutes unless there are chapters. Even then it's close. This is why I miss articles rather than youtubers. At least GamersNexus has gone back to include articles after the videos.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Would be nice to replace my current work laptop which uses RPL-M.

1335U? Anything too bad? I tried a 1235U for a few hours. It was ok. Nothing amazing but not awful either.

 

[lightmanek]

Quadrupling down on the Zen 5 ipc info

IPI + 15%, whatever that means
AVX512 + 30%
Above average gaming performance uplift when games use > 8 cores.

Zen5c = Q1 2025
Turin AI = canceled

IPI - Instructions Per Instruction - chip capable of inception is upon us


Hides behind sofa 🛋

 

[biostud]

AMD rode it very much for Z4.
Competition!

As I see it they basically launches CPUs with max performance, and then you can relatively easy improve efficiency by lowering TDP in the BIOS, if you don't mind a minor performance loss.

The good thing about the vcache models are that they are already at a better efficiency point and offer great gaming performance. While sacrificing a few percent in other workloads.

 

[DrMrLordX]

IPI - Instructions Per Instruction - chip capable of inception us upon us

And here I was thinking AMD would need IP from Transmeta AND Softmachines to accomplish such a feat.

 

[Thibsie]

OTOH, the 800-series chipsets were real, so he had a real stuff from mobo makers, back then. It's not black&white and 100% making up stuff.

Well, a broken clock is right two times a day.
It is easy to say 100 idiotic prediction and claim later the 83rd one was only false 40%.