Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[branch_suggestion]

Now you have me looking back at Conroe reviews.
Not sure how the usual suspects will spin this as anything other than complete AMD domination.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Not buying the reverse Osbourne idea.

I mean the industry is buzzing about Z5 anyway.
If you have friends at Azure, you can ask.

Now you have me looking back at Conroe reviews.

Yeah, Granite Ridge is every bit as crude as Conroe/Kentsfield, same recipe to a tee.

Not sure how the usual suspects will spin this as anything other than complete AMD domination.

There's always some room to amp the copium dosage.

 

[yuri69]

That Conroe-like performance should demonstrate itself at a random asian message board like any minute, provided there are just 3 months to the launch.

There was like a full prelauch review of Zen available IIRC.

 

[adroc_thurston]

That Conroe-like performance should demonstrate itself at a random asian message board like any minute, provided there are just 3 months to the launch.

Yeah I'm eagerly awaiting until someone at Lenovo does the oops.

 

[Joe NYC]

Need better MT perf. Also need substantially better perf/watt (more than IPC increase can provide

In servers? Yes, but also ST.

In client PCs? No

 

[Joe NYC]

Now you have me looking back at Conroe reviews.
Not sure how the usual suspects will spin this as anything other than complete AMD domination.

You may be underestimating the Cope_Frame_X and other cultists. The contortions they twist themselves into in justifying the likes of 14700K over 7800x3d (on Twitter) leads me to believe there will be even more extreme contortions.

But I am afraid, that if Zen 5 is even half as good as our Tease_In_Chief says it is, there may be fatalities or losses of limbs (from lack of blood flow) as a result of these contortions.

 

[Joe NYC]

Why would they osbore their current stuff?

yeah

Do you think Zen 5 server and desktop will launch together or separate launches?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Do you think Zen 5 server and desktop will launch together or separate launches?

Separate events but very similar launch timing window.
Then it's a rat race to order stuff and get it in timely manner since the demand gonna be insane.

 

[Markfw]

Separate events but very similar launch timing window.
Then it's a rat race to order stuff and get it in timely manner since the demand gonna be insane.

well unfortunately not for me. I have a 9654 Genoa, 4 9554 Genoas, and 8 7950x desktop. Out of money.

 

[adroc_thurston]

But I am afraid, that if Zen 5 is even half as good as our Tease_In_Chief says it is, there may be fatalities or losses of limbs (from lack of blood flow) as a result of these contortions.

There's a mismatch between expectations and what it actually is in general.
People expect another Zen3 and not the biggest-most-fundamental-change-since-Zen1.

 

[Abwx]

There's a mismatch between expectations and what it actually is in general.
People expect another Zen3 and not the biggest-most-fundamental-change-since-Zen1.

There may be fundamentals change but so far the only relevant leak we got, from MLID, point to 15% better average IPC as a upper limit, seems that Zen 5 is some kind of pipe cleaner for future iterations since Zen 6 is supposed to bring another such uplift.

 

[adroc_thurston]

point to 15% better average IPC as a upper limit

Yeah lmao I wish, that would've been a fair market then.
Now it's a catastrophe.

since Zen 6 is supposed to bring another such uplift.

Ehhh not even close, none of the derived cores are like that.

 

[Thunder 57]

There may be fundamentals change but so far the only relevant leak we got, from MLID, point to 15% better average IPC as a upper limit, seems that Zen 5 is some kind of pipe cleaner for future iterations since Zen 6 is supposed to bring another such uplift.

I wish people would stop listening to that clown. I'd sooner trust @adroc_thurston because he has no track record (yet) compared to a bad one.

 

[trexfromouterspace]

I wish people would stop listening to that clown. I'd sooner trust @adroc_thurston because he has no track record (yet) compared to a bad one.

Adroc's just making stuff up. He's *way* off base.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Adroc's just making stuff up

I wish, but alas.

He's *way* off base.

You don't have to cope like that.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Adroc's just making stuff up. He's *way* off base.

Feel free to put some skin the the game.... I'm all abord the ~30 points of IPC train. I might be wrong but I can 100% back it up with logic.

Given we are seeing big core width and execution window increases with zen5 I have yet to see the it will be meh gains justify why performance gain will be low.

 

[jpiniero]

I wish, but alas.

You don't have to cope like that.

What I want to know if it's gonna be faster in games without the vcache.

 

[adroc_thurston]

What I want to know if it's gonna be faster in games without the vcache.

yea and by a lot.
kinda the point really.

 

[trexfromouterspace]

Feel free to put some skin the the game.... I'm all abord the ~30 points of IPC train. I might be wrong but I can 100% back it up with logic.

Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[poke01]

Separate events but very similar launch timing window.
Then it's a rat race to order stuff and get it in timely manner since the demand gonna be insane.

When do you think Zen5 is coming out? H1 or H2

 

[adroc_thurston]

Can't say I didn't warn you.

Esoteric cope.
No need for it.
Just put some skin in the game.

When do you think Zen5 is coming out? H1 or H2

All the relevant for you parts are H1.

 

[Abwx]

I wish people would stop listening to that clown. I'd sooner trust @adroc_thurston because he has no track record (yet) compared to a bad one.

He got slides that looks legit, besides it s funny that everybody trust him for the slide that display a wider uarch but not for the one that give the IPC expectations...

In case you missed the pics he leaked :

CPU-Gerüchte: Angaben zu Zen 5 und Zen 6 angeblich von AMD

Aus einer internen AMD-Präsentation soll eine Roadmap stammen, die Angaben zu den kommenden Architekturen Zen 5 und Zen 6 macht.

www.computerbase.de

 

[adroc_thurston]

the slide that display a wider uarch

Not in the relevant ways, no.
All the relevant Zen5 stuff is buried in the front-end.

 

[gdansk]

Nirvana is 3nm? in 2023?
I missed a lot I guess.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Nirvana is 3nm? in 2023?
I missed a lot I guess.

Dense CCD is N3e.