Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Doug S]

Intel.

If Intel isn't getting any N3 stuff from TSMC until next year it will be N3E.

 

[adroc_thurston]

If Intel isn't getting any N3 stuff from TSMC until next year it will be N3E.

It's not about the timing it's about the PDK you've picked.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel.

It's not about the timing it's about the PDK you've picked.

While my initial response was similar to @Doug S ', if what you're saying is true, Intel is so screwed.

 

[Thibsie]

While my initial response was similar to @Doug S ', if what you're saying is true, Intel is so screwed.

That's ok, they're used to this by now I'd say...

 

[adroc_thurston]

Intel is so screwed.

N3b is a fine node sans costs.

 

[Doug S]

It's not about the timing it's about the PDK you've picked.

And if TSMC isn't going to produce any N3B wafers once N3E comes online, then Intel would have to port their design. Which wouldn't be much of an issue, if this change in plans was done far enough ahead of time.

 

[adroc_thurston]

And if TSMC isn't going to produce any N3B wafers once N3E comes online

Who said they won't?

Which wouldn't be much of an issue

IT IS.
AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
SET. OF PDKs.
The two nodes have nothing in common.

 

[Tigerick]

Who said they won't?

IT IS.
AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
SET. OF PDKs.
The two nodes have nothing in common.

Hmm, so do you think Apple will maintain two different process nodes in parallel in the future? Let N3B handles high end SoC (A18 Pro & M3 series?) and N3E handles mainstream SoC ???

 

[adroc_thurston]

Let N3B handles high end SoC (A18 Pro & M3 series?) and N3E handles mainstream SoC ???

No they'll get off N3b asap.

 

[jpiniero]

Keeping this on topic, is there any reason to think AMD would have used N3/N3B for anything? I imagine they would have to cancel it or port it to N3E, causing delays.

 

[Joe NYC]

Keeping this on topic, is there any reason to think AMD would have used N3/N3B for anything? I imagine they would have to cancel it or port it to N3E, causing delays.

The only candidate could be Zen 5c.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Keeping this on topic, is there any reason to think AMD would have used N3/N3B for anything? I imagine they would have to cancel it or port it to N3E, causing delays.

They cancelled/backported all their original N3B designs to N4P.

 

[Joe NYC]

They cancelled/backported all their original N3B designs to N4P.

Then Zen 5c is on N3E?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Then Zen 5c is on N3E?

Turin-D CCD? yea.

 

[Joe NYC]

Turin-D CCD? yea.

Nice

 

[Doug S]

No they'll get off N3b asap.

Why is it fine for Apple to switch to N3E in the middle of the A17's run but you seem to believe that's unthinkable for Intel?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Why is it fine for Apple to switch to N3E in the middle of the A17's run

Will they?

but you seem to believe that's unthinkable for Intel?

Apple operates like a galley full of slaves (well, most left by now), Intel doesn't.

 

[S'renne]

Will they?

Apple operates like a galley full of slaves (well, most left by now), Intel doesn't.

So basically Apple could do it since they operate on unreasonable schedules 24/7?

 

[adroc_thurston]

So basically Apple could do it since they operate on unreasonable schedules 24/7?

Yes.
Been like that for over a decade.

 

[Doug S]

Will they?

Apple operates like a galley full of slaves (well, most left by now), Intel doesn't.

Doesn't Intel have like five different design teams? They would have way more bandwidth to do this than Apple, your silly claim about galley slaves notwithstanding.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Doesn't Intel have like five different design teams?

Kinda.

They would have way more bandwidth to do this than Apple

Oh hell no, Intel has a ton more designs in flight.

your silly claim about galley slaves notwithstanding.

It's not silly, you go to Apple to ritualistically sacrifice your friends and family for a fat paycheck.

 

[Tigerick]

Ouch, wrong info.delete

 

[Triskain]

Nice meme

 

[soresu]

It's not silly, you go to Apple to ritualistically sacrifice your friends and family for a fat paycheck.

Sounds good, hook me up I'm drowning in poverty here 😂

 

[AAbattery]

RedGamingTech put out another Zen 5 video on YouTube without any new info, so don't waste your time. I looked through it on youtubetranscript.com.