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Yeah, I'm not getting excited in the least. AMD marketing is prone to hype. Some would say over-hype. They will be better than Arrow Lake but don't think the difference will be huge like that between a P-core and an E-core. Going by what Adroc seems to be implying, you would think ARL will be limping whereas Zen 5 will be running like a frickin' cheetah.
AMD has been very good when it comes to their processor hype under Ryzen. It's well deserved. Adroc was going by the early leaks on ARL we all saw and were perplexed by. We'll see more leaks as we head into 2024 but I'm not giving too much confidence into Intel despite wanting them to make a comeback of some kind.
Intel may win on some games with RPL but they're pushing more cores and more power. That's a big loss in my book.
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You pay in area and somewhat in power.
Otherwise they're just better than anyone else in the industry.
They don't even talk about stuff before it launches.
Like, you ain't getting a MI300 technical deep dive until ISSCC'24.
I haven't noticed a decrease in the population of any tech forums, so I'm skeptical about any virgin sacrifices having taken place.
Be careful. Some day you might slip on a banana skin and exclaim, "Damn you, Igor!"
That doesn't work as you think it does. Only fruit I've ever slipped on was a half crushed apple in my youth at a festival. a pile of leaves is more dangerous than banana peels.Be careful. Some day you might slip on a banana skin and exclaim, "Damn you, Igor!"
You sure about that?
Arguably tied with Apple - but that's a completely different market. Nvidia has pretty good execution as well - for GPUs.
They talk a bit about upcoming products, but not on details.
It is interesting that AMD are staying so quiet about the MI300 overall. I would imagine, as this is the first in a line of world class HPC/ML GPU-Compute products, that AMD is focusing on SIs and Developers to build up a strong foundation for their customer's needs. Nvidia is well ahead in total platform development with an excellent hardware and software stack - AMD will need to work hard to grab share from them (and the C-suite seems determined to invest accordingly).
I'm highly suspicious of any of those old news reports. I think we need to lay out 20-30 peels and have tech youtubers do running sprints on them and see who crashes into what and who slips and breaks a hip.You sure about that?
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Nvidia made some blunders in the past that set them level with AMD/ATI or just behind. I think Nvidia's execution has been great the last decade. Some generations offer up more some aren't that great if you're coming from the prior generation but certainly good if you're a few generations behind. Jensen once said that Nvidia just sin't a hardware company but a software company first or too. He wasn't being facetious. NVidia has made great strides in software implement for their professional hardware and make a good effort to making sure things work for us measly consumers. They have their faults, too. AMD's lack of chit chat on the mi300 makes me often wonder if there's even a physical product to buy or it's all talk and they really don't have the orders for it even though common sense and news dictates they in fact due have those clients.
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No, way better than Apple since AMD can actually clock their cores up worth a damn.
They've been rather conservative for a while; gotta see how SM_100 goes before calling anything out.
The absolute bare minumum with zero details.
It's usually "it exists".
Funny stick, plenty of customer engagements so they're rather busy.
Ehhh hardware one could argue, software, especially for deployment at scale yea.
AMD is also lean enough to focus and make that focus pay off.
Perhaps amd should have injected more into rgt so they didn't end up with an overpriced half baked vegan potato.
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You've claimed it didn't work out and they couldn't, but I think they might have ignored the entire issue if they spent more time in rd rather than playing it as they did. rgt has been slacking for several years. RDNA2 is great though.
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I think that kind of thinking comes from an incorrect assessment of what Apple needs to do to maintain high profits, which is all they care about. No need to for high clocks in mobile devices. And those mobile targeted core are the basis of their M series lineup. So, yeah, another 500MHz in laptops and +1GHz on say a Mac Studio would be awesome from the perspective of them being 'PCs' , but given that the M series SoCs, again, are based around an architecture designed to produce the highest performance achievable with really low power usage - I think their execution is top shelf.
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There is in laptops, they need that 1t.
That's a meme, a pile of Z5c's will do that just as well.
Apple just can't make their cores go fast; skill issue basically.
They really want to, but they can't.
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Nah, it's still competitive enough PPA.
Just not leadership at intended.
Same as Zen4 for vanilla/v$ respectively.
that's overselling it no? the 7900xtx was better off as a 7800 or 7800xt.
Starfield appears to be heavily memory bandwidth limited, that could be interesting to see on Z5 depending on IF and RAM speeds.
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