Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Markfw]

AM5 cpus include both 7000-series Zen4 and 9000-series Zen5. AM4 cpus are up to Zen3 or 5000-series.

I guess you will have to add all Zen 5 manually. But it is obvious that the 9800x3d is probably first in sales by a lot.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Next you're going to tell us that Zen5 launch was a disaster? Meanwhile AMD is dominating in the server room, thanks in no small part to the momentum Turin is building on Genoa's success. Plus the day-1 availability of Turin dense has helped them considerably (compared to the wait for Bergamo in the previous gen). Also notice that AMD may not even release Turin-X!

Zen5 is performing well where necessary. With or without 3dcache.

So which Zen 5 CPU are you running? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[biostud]

The Zen5 9800X3D and 9950X did what they had to do for Zen5 in desktop.

The rest of the lineup is a pretty meh improvement, in regular desktop usage, compared to Zen4.

Server obviously being another story.

 

[Schmide]

So which Zen 5 CPU are you running? Inquiring minds want to know.

Setting up a 9800x3d as we speak. Typing on a 5800x3d. What do you have ?

 

[Doug S]

Well a power supply for a desktop replacement gaming laptop is (I have one) from around half Kg to a Kg for 280/330W type, the most modern ones can go on the lower side. GaN is rising even there. Same power adapter was around one Kg just a few years ago. USB-C is OK up to 100W, there are ways to push it to 240W and that involves pushing the voltage to 50V and special cables but definitely for the highest performing notebooks it is not enough, as they need even more than that. And a 240 W USB-C PD supply will not be light.

There are laptops that draw more than 240W?

Do they even make 240w USB-C PD supplies with a single output? All the ones I've seen are large because they have multiple ports - maybe that's because they're so big anyway they might as well use the extra real estate, so I don't know how small they could be made. Or if there is enough potential customers for a single port model designed for minimum size to be worth marketing.

 

[jpiniero]

There are laptops that draw more than 240W?

Do they even make 240w USB-C PD supplies with a single output? All the ones I've seen are large because they have multiple ports - maybe that's because they're so big anyway they might as well use the extra real estate, so I don't know how small they could be made. Or if there is enough potential customers for a single port model designed for minimum size to be worth marketing.

This model ships with a 330 W power adapter:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Razer-Blade-16-Early-2023-RTX-4090-Review-Core-i9-13950HX-beast-with-world-s-first-dual-mode-mini-LED-UHD-display.702200.0.html

13950HX and 4090 laptop.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Setting up a 9800x3d as we speak. Typing on a 5800x3d. What do you have ?

My question was in response to DrMrLordX. I was asking him based on his opinion of my opinion. Now, considering everything I said. Should it surprise me that you bought a 9800x3d? I think not.

 

[Schmide]

My question was in response to DrMrLordX. I was asking him based on his opinion of my opinion. Now, considering everything I said. Should it surprise me that you bought a 9800x3d? I think not.

Inquiring minds is plural!!! We are all involved in your shenanigans. You don't get to call someone out without being called out yourself.

It's a public forum! If you want your answer in a vacuum, pm DrMrLordX, otherwise put up or shut up.

 

[igor_kavinski]

😂 why are u all upset at 1 user over 3 pages 😂😂

He went one step further than me. I want dual CCD V-cache. He wants V-cache on EVERY Ryzen CPU

 

[leoneazzurro]

There are laptops that draw more than 240W?

Do they even make 240w USB-C PD supplies with a single output? All the ones I've seen are large because they have multiple ports - maybe that's because they're so big anyway they might as well use the extra real estate, so I don't know how small they could be made. Or if there is enough potential customers for a single port model designed for minimum size to be worth marketing.

Laptop 4080 and 4090 can be configured up to 150+25W only for the GPU (and its VRAM). Then you have to add the CPU, a 14900HX has a base power of 55W and it can have peak values much more than that. And then there is the rest, RAM, SDD, screen, and it must have enough room to power also USB peripheals. So yes, in these very high configurations 330W is the standard and on some configurations there is even more.

 

[Thunder 57]

😂 why are u all upset at 1 user over 3 pages 😂😂

Because he is basically bashing AMD in what is supposed to be a protected thread. I thought about reporting him but I don't know what his intentions are. Instead I tried to reason with him.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Because he is basically bashing AMD in what is supposed to be a protected thread. I thought about reporting him but I don't know what his intentions are. Instead I tried to reason with him.

That's not bashing, he's just clueless.
That much was obvious the moment he said a few months ago that a hypothetical 7800X3D ported to N4P would perform 10% better because N4P is a 10% gain over N5 in perf.

The fact that this conversation has been going on for three pages is honestly baffling. There is no big mystery as to why X3D chips outsell the classic ones. There are two main workloads that are relevant to general public: gaming and Javascript (i.e. browsers, Discord, Slack, Teams, etc). JS and browser benchmarks typically fly under the typical mainstream reviewer's radar. But everybody benchmarks games. And it just so happens that X3D chips are practically tailor-made for gaming. Not because the classic chips are bad.

 

[Schmide]

Caveat: Not necessarily insulting AMD but spreading FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt). Veiled insults and exaggerations to make someone feel as if they have made the wrong choice or framing it as binary such that if you don't make the right choice your choice is somehow less than what it should be.

 

[Joe NYC]

The Zen5 9800X3D and 9950X did what they had to do for Zen5 in desktop.

The rest of the lineup is a pretty meh improvement, in regular desktop usage, compared to Zen4.

Server obviously being another story.

If Zen 5 (9600X, 9700X) sold at the same price as Zen 4 (7600X, 7700X), most people would select Zen 5.

These Zen 4 prices used to sell at deep discount. Zen 5 did not look that good next to discounted Zen 4. If the prices and discounts shift in the future, so will the sales will follow.

We will see where things stand for Zen 5 one year anniversary... Since the cost to manufacture Zen 4 and Zen 5 is approximately the same, AMD may choose to encourage transition to Zen 5 - with pricing.

If prices get close to parity, then it will be a non-brainer to pick Zen 5.

 

[Abwx]

At Computex AMD displayed a slide about plateforms longevity, nothing about AM4 but given how it still sell it could extend a little after the 2026 stated commitment, for AM5 they displayed 2027+, wich mean that they dont really know when it will be EOL and that it could be extended to 2029-2030 depending of the sales.

L'AM5 parti pour durer autant que l'AM4

Finalement, il semble prévu que l'AM5 dure. Mieux que les piles Duracell et le lapin qui marche, Lisa Su va pousser l'AM5 jusqu'à plus soif !

hardwareand.co

 

[Thunder 57]

That's not bashing, he's just clueless.
That much was obvious the moment he said a few months ago that a hypothetical 7800X3D ported to N4P would perform 10% better because N4P is a 10% gain over N5 in perf.

The fact that this conversation has been going on for three pages is honestly baffling. There is no big mystery as to why X3D chips outsell the classic ones. There are two main workloads that are relevant to general public: gaming and Javascript (i.e. browsers, Discord, Slack, Teams, etc). JS and browser benchmarks typically fly under the typical mainstream reviewer's radar. But everybody benchmarks games. And it just so happens that X3D chips are practically tailor-made for gaming. Not because the classic chips are bad.

That's why I didn't report. I don't think he was being a troll or shill. Just to use your word, clueless. Maybe he can learn something instead of spewing nonsense.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So which Zen 5 CPU are you running? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm waiting for Zen6. I skipped Zen3 and Zen+ as well . . . not that AMD cares, clearly I'm not their #1 target market since they want people buying Turin and Mi300/300a by the thousands more than anyone else.

 

[Thunder 57]

I'm waiting for Zen6. I skipped Zen3 and Zen+ as well . . . not that AMD cares, clearly I'm not their #1 target market since they want people buying Turin and Mi300/300a by the thousands more than anyone else.

So you are on Zen 4 right now? That would be the opposite of me. I did Zen+ then Zen 3. I may jump on Zen 5 but I'll probably see wait and see what Zen 6 brings.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So you are on Zen 4 right now? That would be the opposite of me. I did Zen+ then Zen 3. I may jump on Zen 5 but I'll probably see wait and see what Zen 6 brings.

I SHOULD be but I'm still addicted to my 3900X machine . . . the 7950X3D I bought is still in its box. Every time I tell myself, okay we're building the new machine! I remember something I want to do on my 3900X and I do that instead. So sad. I did too well with this rig.

 

[biostud]

If Zen 5 (9600X, 9700X) sold at the same price as Zen 4 (7600X, 7700X), most people would select Zen 5.

These Zen 4 prices used to sell at deep discount. Zen 5 did not look that good next to discounted Zen 4. If the prices and discounts shift in the future, so will the sales will follow.

We will see where things stand for Zen 5 one year anniversary... Since the cost to manufacture Zen 4 and Zen 5 is approximately the same, AMD may choose to encourage transition to Zen 5 - with pricing.

If prices get close to parity, then it will be a non-brainer to pick Zen 5.

Yes Zen5 is better than zen4, that is obvious, but only so very little in regular desktop. If I were to build a new pc I would also go with Zen5, but if I were on a budget, zen4 would be just as fine.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I SHOULD be but I'm still addicted to my 3900X machine . . . the 7950X3D I bought is still in its box.

Maybe sell the X3D and the 7900 XTX while they are still worth something...

 

[Thibsie]

That's not bashing, he's just clueless.
That much was obvious the moment he said a few months ago that a hypothetical 7800X3D ported to N4P would perform 10% better because N4P is a 10% gain over N5 in perf.

The fact that this conversation has been going on for three pages is honestly baffling. There is no big mystery as to why X3D chips outsell the classic ones. There are two main workloads that are relevant to general public: gaming and Javascript (i.e. browsers, Discord, Slack, Teams, etc). JS and browser benchmarks typically fly under the typical mainstream reviewer's radar. But everybody benchmarks games. And it just so happens that X3D chips are practically tailor-made for gaming. Not because the classic chips are bad.

Well, when AMD said Zen4 would have less limitations on CPU getting vCache (compared to Zen3) he concluded that there would be NO frequency difference at all.

Challenged his logic, he went, well, not cool at all.
Funnily I ignore him but not Nosta lol.

 

[Schmide]

I SHOULD be but I'm still addicted to my 3900X machine . . . the 7950X3D I bought is still in its box. Every time I tell myself, okay we're building the new machine! I remember something I want to do on my 3900X and I do that instead. So sad. I did too well with this rig.

I took a similar path. I got a 3900x at the height of covid. Bought a prebuilt 5800x system to get the 6900xt that you couldn't get elsewhere. Stayed on the 3900x with the 6900xt in it. Finally moved to the 5800x. Then bought a 5800x3d that failed. Went back to the 3900x until the replacement cpu came back. Moved to the 5800x3d system which is now my daily driver. Rebuilt the 3900x system and gave it to my friend. I miss it.

Then built an am5 7900x system (microcenter $600) in the case the 3900x was in. Got it together with a 7900xtx and stayed with my daily driver 5800x3d system. Just put a 9800x3d and high end 64gb cl30 in the 7900x system and cleaned it up.

I promise I will move to the new system! (someday)

Oh by the way. Had to run on a 7735hs 4060rtx laptop for a while I moved stuff around. It was nice to get back to my 5800x3d daily driver.

 

[Thibsie]

I would have bought a 5800x3d but always thought it was too pricey to me.
Maybe second hand.

Or I'll go AM5 and a cheap CPU then upgrade to proposer 11800x3d or something but chaning the mobo and the RAM is somehow killing the deal.
I don't game much besides Horizon and my 6800xt does it happily 4K@60Hz so why bother....

EDIT : 600€ jst to get proper mobo, 9600X and 32 GB RAM. Meh...

 

[igor_kavinski]

I would have bought a 5800x3d but always thought it was too pricey to me.
Maybe second hand.

5700X3D is cheaper and only 5 to 10 fps slower. If you REALLY need an X3D. But if you get it, you might be able to keep your system till AM6 arrives