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Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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(yes, I too fail to see the connection)
 
misuspita said:
May I interrupt you for a new interpretation of the miniPC

liliputing.com

Beelink SER9 is one of the first mini PCs with Ryzen AI 300 (Strix Point) - Liliputing

Beelink SER9 is one of the first mini PCs with Ryzen AI 300 (Strix Point)
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I mean... wtf??? Speakers? 🙂)) Other than that, nice design, if it's anything like the previous model it's really quiet but.... again... speakers? In that form factor? OMG...
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New interpratation that is just the same one they've been making for like 3 years now? Very disappointing, its still rocking HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.4 even. And I don't think they've upgraded the USB ports the whole time either.

That's extra disappointing, and circling back to Intel likely mucking things up for AMD, they have a similar Intel box that has an external x16 PCIe slot and an eGPU...mount (that includes a 600W power supply). I was hoping they'd bring that to their AMD box as well but looks like its not the case. Think Minisforum is doing the same thing, they stuck an AMD board and chip inside a chassis they'd already shown for Intel, and the Intel one featured much more (including also an x16 PCIe). Despite AMD's APUs being a huge reason for these companies' success, they're effectively now pivoting to pushing Intel based stuff first and as their premier products.

I do think the speakers are silly but just like in laptops/tablets and smartphones, apparently people actually use them (despite prevalence of headphones and bluetooth speakers), and you'll constantly see people bemoan monitors not having speakers even if they say they'd sound bad and they wouldn't be likely to use them. Its one of those weird phobias or something people have where "but what if I don't have anything else to listen to something on this computer?!?" They're all doing weird stuff like adding screens and other as well (one of them has a touchscreen on the little box) because apparently people are putting this on their desks mounted vertically. One (think its Ayaneo, or GPD) that has a design that looks like an NES, with a display on the top, and then a flip up opening (like the NES cartridge port) that reveals 2 USB A ports. Its pretty lame and could be so much more interesting.

Oh, here's that Intel box with the dock:
www.bee-link.com

Beelink | Beelink GTi15 Ultra Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 285H

www.bee-link.com www.bee-link.com

Touchscreen box:

AtomMan X7 Ti - minisforum

The World's First Intel Core Ultra 9 AI Mini PC with a 4-inch Touchscreen.,minisforum
www.minisforum.com

Comparison of how they favor Intel over AMD
Intel where it features dual full USB4 - mentions 20Gbps ethernet, dual 10Gbps SFP network ports, dual 2.5Gbps ports and PCIe x16)
store.minisforum.com

MINISFORUM MS-01 Workstation

MINISFORUM MS-01 mini workstation: Core i9-13900H/12900H or i5-12600H. Up to 64GB DDR5, 3×NVMe incl. U.2, dual 10GbE SFP+ & 2.5GbE×2, USB4×2, HDMI, RAID 0/1.
store.minisforum.com store.minisforum.com
AMD where it features dual 2.5Gbps network ports and a single USB4
store.minisforum.com

MINISFORUM MS-A1

MINISFORUM MS-A1 AM5 modular mini workstation. Supports Ryzen 7000/8000, up to 27TB via 4×M.2, dual 2.5GbE, USB4 & OCuLink, HDMI 2.1/DP 2.0, up to 96GB DDR5, Wi-Fi 6E.
store.minisforum.com store.minisforum.com

GPD is making this thing, which is interesting but compared to the ASUS Zenbook Duo, feels like 15 years older. Trying to use it as a writing tablet would be cumbersome due to it being a chonky basically 3 layer brick. One of the displays does have input so can be used as an external display which is actually likely not that useful (be much cheaper and easier to just get a portable monitor to carry with a laptop - I just bought a 15" 4K OLED portable Viewsonic for $250 off of eBay and it is ridiculously thin and light). That Minisforum AMD tablet that could be used as an external monitor seems much better (its also like half the price of the GPD), and the Zenbook Duo would just be so much more practical/portable.

They also make a bunch of weird Netbook or even UMPC sized laptop clamshells with tiny keyboards and joysticks and stuff.

Ayaneo makes a bunch of handhelds including one that would be perfect for Nintendo DS emulation (with a version similar to GPD tiny keyboard), and then others that can be described as PS Vita combined with Sidekick (looks like a Vita with slide up screen to reveal a tiny keyboard).

Oh, they have this...Apple printer looking mini PC with fold up touchscreen (wait, its not even a touch capable screen)

AYANEO Retro Mini PC AM01S - AYANEO

Founded in 2020, AYANEO is a revolutionary brand for portable gaming consoles. Our team consists of passionate gamers and tech-savvy experts who want to provide gamers with the most advanced and up-to-date gaming experiences. We’ve developed a line of powerful and portable gaming handhelds, with...
ayaneo.com
The NES thing:

AYANEO Retro Mini PC AM02 - AYANEO

Founded in 2020, AYANEO is a revolutionary brand for portable gaming consoles. Our team consists of passionate gamers and tech-savvy experts who want to provide gamers with the most advanced and up-to-date gaming experiences. We’ve developed a line of powerful and portable gaming handhelds, with...
ayaneo.com
I don't see the Vita/Sidekick thing on their site now but they have the non slider version of the Vita looking handheld and then another handheld that has the slider screen/keyboard. They also are making ARM/Android handheld. Will be interesting to see if they start making ARM/Windows handhelds too.
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
New interpratation that is just the same one they've been making for like 3 years now?
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Actually no, SER8 was a new design, departing from previous SER line and having a new cooler which it proved very silent in tests. And it was introduced this year too, so I was expecting SER9 to be a clone design wise... I mean, if it's not bigger, then ok, but why not put in that space something else? Like... a 3rd M2 connection? Or better antennas, because the current ones suck?
 
Kepler_L2 said:
Lower end stuff. Got replaced by Krackan.
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Aka: Volume part from AMD starting 2025 to chip away marketshare from Intel and hold off QCOM.

Also a significant part for PC Handhelds.
inquiss said:
What does the vGPR part of your message mean? What's significant about it?
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Vector General Purpose Registers. RDNA 3 increased VGPR file to 192KB per SIMD from RDNA 2 128KB. But only Navi 31 and 32 got this change.

Navi 33, Phoenix, Strix (and possible Kraken) got the old 128KB per SIMD and are informally called RDNA 3 Lite. Strix Halo got the full 192KB VGPR of Navi 31/32.
 
Did a little comparison myself after 3x clean installs (stock cpu clocks) 🙂

All OS's are tweaked revi with all security BS turned off
And all are running admin account

FF win11 24h2 = 49227
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FF win11 23H2 (with patch) = 49565
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FF win10 22H2 = 50932
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MS_AT said:

Seems that Strix Halo can use full width AVX512 and double CCD to IOD bandwidth. Interesting. It seems they are really targetting MacBook Pro competitor.
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It is a MacBook competitor. Those high end MacBooks with 64GB+ RAM sell really well in enthusiast LLM circles.

It’s really going be only AMD and Apple in this space next year. Nvidia isn’t making a 256+ bit ARM SoC for their lineup nor is Intel.
 
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