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Testdrive it on a spare SSD before deciding to make the switch. It can be a rude awakening for anyone coming from Win10 in how many annoying UI changes there are, even subtle ones.
Test of a 14" Asus with a HX 370 at NBC, PL1/PL2 at 65W/54W, wich is lot for that size but it can be reduced.
21 000 pts in CB R23.
75Wh battery, 31.7h idling and 16.5h web surfing, and that s with an OLED screen.
21 000 pts in CB R23.
75Wh battery, 31.7h idling and 16.5h web surfing, and that s with an OLED screen.
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Some real perplexing performance and battery life figures here.
What's different about this vs. The Zenbook S16? Slightly smaller display? Similar battery size, both OLED. What???
Smaller, lower resolution, lower refresh rate display. Slightly less max brightness. Adds up to huge energy savings.
On average this one has 2x the TDP, wich explain the perfs, but at 17400 pts the 28-30W Zenbook S16 is no slouch either, for battery life the screen makes the difference here, they should equip them with IPS but guess that it s not as fancy comsumers wise, hey, they could well be much less attractive for the masses.
That being said and looking at the charts the "old" Hawk Point still deliver a good fight despîte 33% less cores and lower IPC.
Edit : Asus are really cutting the corners here with only 24GB RAM vs 32GB in the Zenbook, guess that for 8GB more if it s configurable they ll ask an exagerated premium over the stated 1400€ for this one.
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Early access CPU. Learning from Meteor Lake.Here we go....
AMD To Provide Patch That Improves Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Inter-Core & Chiplet Latency
AMD is reportedly working on a new BIOS patch that will help improve inter-core latency on Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs.wccftech.com
fastandfurious6
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gold opportunity for AMD PR to make a deep dive blogpost on the Fine Wine KB
it will possibly open the door for more KB like that
real CPU<->OS optimization!!!!
it will possibly open the door for more KB like that
real CPU<->OS optimization!!!!
poke01
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Sometimes I wish windows was open source or at least had good polices like Google has with Android eg ASOP.
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NBCs Reviews are so weird sometimes. They measure a minimum Idle power Draw of 6W and avg 8W but at the same time 16h of Surfing. It's not the first time their power and Battery Life testing doesn't add up at all. 31h of idling with a ~70Wh battery isn't even 3W of power draw, so how they get 6W at minimum?
fastandfurious6
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yea their quality has dropped, very inconsistent
thermal/watt ratios are super important in mobile but NBC review framework ¿no comprende?
ultrabookreview covers this way better per power profile
but they have no graphs they basically copy paste screenshots and numbers lol
How many sales were lost to AMD because of this suppressed performance I wonder.
None?
You really can't expect people with Intel bias or preference to switch to AMD, unless they really, really want the extra MT perf or AVX-512. It boggles the mind that people are still buying 13900K/14900K and sites like TPU using the 14900K in their test bench for game/GPU reviews does not help matters. AMD CPUs should've gotten expensive and scarce if there had been a mass exodus from 13/14th gen platforms after their degradation debacle but the funniest thing happened: people kept clinging to their degraded CPUs and hoped/prayed for a fix and even lowered their settings so their defective CPUs could whimper along. Had the same thing happened to AMD, their CPUs sales would've dropped so low that people would be getting two for the price of one.
fastandfurious6
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Intel's legacy is a million salesmen slandering AMD over decades
the far-reaching results of that in 2024 is majority of non-tech decision makers across the world have "AMD sucks" stored in their heads, often as strong as "common knowledge"
why? cause "everyone says so", because a million Intel salesmen over decades said so and so on
real example: half-tech CEO of a half-tech company wanting to self-host a genAI farm, still knows "AMD sucks" and even the tech part of their company doesn't know otherwise / is ignorant
call me crazy but what is the real % of tech-aware client consumers who consciously chose intel raptor lake 13-14th gen over zen3/4?
"tech-aware" means looking at reviews benchmarks etc first before making a decision, having some basic knowledge of performance etc
truth is less than 30% desktop/laptop consumers actually know about benchmarks at all in the first place
and most of this remaining <30% is actually gamers who all know X3D is the bomb
all this considered, AMD lost less than 5% client cpu sales to Intel cos of Secret Fine Wine 🍷
Forget about consumers. Just one person in the right position is enough to give Intel a sales boost of over a 1000 PCs for a decade. Case in point: my IT guy. He has NEVER bought anything AMD. I've tried to reason with him. The closest I've gotten from him is that he doesn't want any fallout from buying AMD. He even laughs at the concept of benchmarking coz he doesn't understand how much time can be saved over the life of a person with a more performant PC. After years and years of trying to get my company to get something AMD, I finally managed to get a grand total of THREE AMD Zen 2 VMs for Kubernetes approved by management in our Azure infra and that only BECAUSE the alternative was 5 year older Broadwell crap (yes, five year older than Zen 2!).
Because it s measured at the AC adaptator input, such items pull routinely 3-4W from the main when unplugged from the laptop, so yes that s not accurate, they should measure at the DC output level.
Other than this theres yet another 14" from Asus, this one with a 80W PL1/PL2, and since it sustain the perf this allow to check the scaling fro 60W to 80W, wich is quite good given the high TDP rating since it score 23456 pts in CB R23 vs 21058 pts@60W for the Asus Vivobok S14.
To put things in perspective that s 32% better than a MTL 185H@110W, the latter score about the same as a HX370@35W, wich amount to 3x the perf/Watt at isoperf for the HX370.
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But they might have been able to charge a few extra $ for each CPU, to improve their margins.None?
You really can't expect people with Intel bias or preference to switch to AMD, unless they really, really want the extra MT perf or AVX-512. It boggles the mind that people are still buying 13900K/14900K and sites like TPU using the 14900K in their test bench for game/GPU reviews does not help matters. AMD CPUs should've gotten expensive and scarce if there had been a mass exodus from 13/14th gen platforms after their degradation debacle but the funniest thing happened: people kept clinging to their degraded CPUs and hoped/prayed for a fix and even lowered their settings so their defective CPUs could whimper along. Had the same thing happened to AMD, their CPUs sales would've dropped so low that people would be getting two for the price of one.
Strange how the HX 370 does so well in CB R23 MT with the TUF vs the Asus Vivobook S14, but then a lot worse in GB 6.2 MT. I would think there wouldn’t be so much variance just between those two benchmarks. Would’ve been nice if they did CB 2024, seems weird to not use it.
Or Intel would've pushed their CPUs even further and gotten closer to bankruptcy faster.
OK, I see it now. AMD messed up!
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Was Zen4 not improving on Zen3 in Perf/W really? I mean the absolute power draw was higher, but the performance was enough to compensate and increase the perf/w metric. Also wasn't it like back in the day that Zen4 also was considered insufficient for gaming as it was barely able to catch up to 5800x3d?
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TIL that Broadwell and Ivy Bridge are apparently considered bad (or something?)
These social networks opinions... just as Flynt says before court in the Forman movie.
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What kind of enginer is this who complain about gaming in servers, and worse about alleged TDP while Zen 4 is super efficient at servers frequencies..?.
And of course IPC, because in INT Zen 4 had great IPC improvement with 12-13% in 7 Zip FI.
Look to me like a an Intel centric pseudo enginer who find some rubbish argument to convince the even more cluless decision makers to keep buying outdated hardware from Intel.
And yet the TUF sustain its perfs on the long term, so either the reviewer made a blunder by not repeating the bench after those weird numbers, or GB is not reliable.
Beside this reviewer is known to have a preference for Intel, just look at the perf rating of 85% at the bottom of the page, another reviewer gave a 87% perf rating to a MTL 185H that is outmatched by 32% in CB by the TUF, it is on the comparison charts of this review under the name Acer Predator Neo 14, indeed, at 110W average CPU power and perfs that low that s quite a predator.
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