Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Josh128]

Supposed to be a common sight on X870 chipsets, this December

Igor, is your buddy using default voltages at manual PPTs for these runs, or is he using negative offset curve optimizer along with manual PPTs? Its quite relevant when comparing perf against stock 7950X.

 

[StefanR5R]

[curve optimizer] Its quite relevant when comparing perf against stock 7950X.

The ES may have a different default curve than retail units.

 

[eek2121]

Very funny joke, haha

Here's some 160W results (basically runs at full clocks that are permissible with x3d limits)

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Won't go any higher, sadly. Thanks Lisa et al for blocking proper OC, garrrr.

Interesting thing to me is the slope of that trend combined with the low temps. Seems like there might be more left in the tank for PBO past 230 W

I am jealous. If I enable PBO Windows stops booting, even if i touch no other settings.

Changing anything except curve optimizer is futile.

I wonder about those temps as well. So no more need to run at 95C?

AMD said the chips run cooler. Zen 4 will run cooler if you tweak it. Enabling CO alone dropped my chip 10 degrees with a slight performance uplift.

woooahh, 8000 MT/s what black magic is this
(edit its not going be 2:1 is it i.e. fabric at 4000 mhz, LOL)

Zen 4 can do it as well, you just need a recent BIOS. Many on OCN have achieved it. If I had the money to burn I would pick up a better kit that could handle 8000, because mine only does DDR5-6200. Alas I currently have other priorities.

 

[Fjodor2001]

60W: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41246800
90W: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41248191
120W: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41248591
160W: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41249476

Looks like 9950X does not have any sweet spot for perf/watt. It keeps gobbling up any additional Watts given and turns it into perf.

For 7950X, IIRC there was a sweet spot around 105/120W TDP where you got almost as much perf as when running it at 170W.

 

[igor_kavinski]

is he using negative offset curve optimizer along with manual PPTs

This. It says in the screenshot, CO tuned.

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...e-boost-in-blender-over-ryzen-9-7950x-at-230w

Another sloppy piece! Why can't I get a respectable piece that has my name on it???

I do NOT possess Zen 5. If I did, benchmarks would be leaking left and right, up and down, sideways and who knows from where else!

 

[Fjodor2001]

Another sloppy piece! Why can't I get a respectable piece that has my name on it???

I do NOT possess Zen 5. If I did, benchmarks would be leaking left and right, up and down, sideways and who knows from where else!

But you’re a one-step-away proxy for 9950X, right? With possibility to somewhat direct what that next step evaluates?

Not the same as having it in your own possession, I know. But just one step away, i.e. Puppet Master. Or am I misinterpreting it?

 

[Josh128]

This. It says in the screenshot, CO tuned.

So these perf and efficiency numbers could still be way off, more than likely towards the more impressive end.

 

[Josh128]

New 9900X CPU-z run. 14% faster MT than 7900X.

pic.twitter.com/HehiYekunO

 

[9949asd]

this is using direct die or compressor cooling？

 

[igor_kavinski]

But just one step away, i.e. Puppet Master. Or am I misinterpreting it?

Trying to sabotage my relationship with the real leaker? He's the boss. I'm just a humble servant waiting for morsels

 

[igor_kavinski]

this is using direct die or compressor cooling？

water

 

[Markfw]

water

Custom water or AIO ?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Custom water or AIO ?

Possibly custom. But as I posted in the Intel crashing thread, some AIOs are good enough to let a 13900KS run 5.7GHz MT at 100C.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Trying to sabotage my relationship with the real leaker? He's the boss. I'm just a humble servant waiting for morsels

Ok, so it's the opposite, he's the Puppet Master and you're dancing to his tune. Got it. Either way, appreciate the info you're positing.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Trying to sabotage my relationship with the real leaker? He's the boss. I'm just a humble servant waiting for morsels

Getting the "Not king, merely First Citizen" vibe here.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Possibly custom. But as I posted in the Intel crashing thread, some AIOs are good enough to let a 13900KS run 5.7GHz MT at 100C.

For some reason I thought it was custom water but I looked back and don't see anything in the screenshots specifying.

 

[igor_kavinski]

For some reason I thought it was custom water but I looked back and don't see anything in the screenshots specifying.

a very large custom cooling rig with a optimus signature v3 block together with a MO-RA3 radiator

 

[9949asd]

water

Well, oc 230w max temp 62c, the water temperature must below Ambient temperature。I will say it’s using compressor。

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

a very large custom cooling rig with a optimus signature v3 block together with a MO-RA3 radiator

Somebody has a massive hole burned in their pocket. I wanted to get a V3 block but the price from the V2 increased by so much (doubled) I can't possibly justify upgrading from my perfectly working V2's.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Somebody has a massive hole burned in their pocket.

Or the pocket is so big that the hole looks tiny

 

[Timmah!]

Damn wccftech, making article about this, claiming the perf uplift is 27 percent compared to 7950x, when its only on of the 3 tests and other 2 are 20 percent. Cant even report straightforward info properly.

I want to see vray performance, nobody serious with rendering is using blender cpu render.

 

[Josh128]

Damn wccftech, making article about this, claiming the perf uplift is 27 percent compared to 7950x, when its only on of the 3 tests and other 2 are 20 percent. Cant even report straightforward info properly.

I want to see vray performance, nobody serious with rendering is using blender cpu render.

Hassan enjoys stirring the shat in the comments section. Tomorrow there'll be a leak that purposely looks quite terrible for Zen 5. Its a twisted place...lol.

 

[Saylick]

Damn wccftech, making article about this, claiming the perf uplift is 27 percent compared to 7950x, when its only on of the 3 tests and other 2 are 20 percent. Cant even report straightforward info properly.

I want to see vray performance, nobody serious with rendering is using blender cpu render.

That's the sad state of tech journalism today... Everything is sensationalized and WTFtech led the way in the 2010s.

a very large custom cooling rig with a optimus signature v3 block together with a MO-RA3 radiator

That explains the really good temps, then. There's a bunch of people on Xitter who are reacting to the WTFtech/Videocardz articles about the info you shared, but those articles don't do a good job of clarifying why the temps are so good. It's leading people to incorrectly believe that Zen 5 is super easy to cool and/or super power efficient.

For example, from the Videocardz article, just no mention of cooling method whatsoever.


Same with WTFtech:


So often authors just steal whatever info is eye-catching for their article but fail to represent the source faithfully because they don't bother reading the rest of the thread... SMDH.


Unbelievable is right.

 

[gaav87]

a very large custom cooling rig with a optimus signature v3 block together with a MO-RA3 radiator

Dissapointing climax.