I'm looking at a new board. I was wondering if I got a Z690 board if they will update the bios ever to be able to take the new DDR5 memory? I'm actually looking at this board.
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They are pretty great for taking the time to answer some of my stupid questions. But if you don't ask, you don't learn either. 
But, try to find an i5-12600 or i5-12500. No one has them for a decent price. Newegg is out, Amazon's price is high, and so is B&H. So, I started researching the 12400. All reviews I've watched have said that if they are the same price, then get the upper 2, but if they are $20 difference, then get the 12400. I guess since everyone has said that the 12500 is way overkill, going to the 12400 still would be a pretty powerful CPU. And I can actually find some good pricing for it, even on eBay. Thoughts? Wait for the 12500 or jump on the 12400 before it goes out of stock.
Because literally, a couple hours before I was going to pull the trigger on the 12500, everyone went out of stock on the good pricing.
Because literally, a couple hours before I was going to pull the trigger on the 12500, everyone went out of stock on the good pricing.
Compare Intel i7-12700K vs Intel i5-12600 vs Intel i5-12500 vs Intel i5-12400
Compare Intel i7-12700K vs Intel i5-12600 vs Intel i5-12500 vs Intel i5-12400
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So, we're talking NAS / Plex right?
All 3 have the same P core count of 6 so, that evens the playing field then it comes down to the speed of the cores which doesn't matter as much when idle and just passing packets for the NAS function.
The power comes into play for things like comskip post recording or if you need to transcode from ts/mkv/etc. to something playable on the end device. One solution is to convert things automatically to MP4 (mcebuddy) and conserve resources for media that will actually benefit from transcoding like Dolby audio tracks you don't find in day to day recordings.
Looking at the snapshot above though a $40 spread isn't that bad for mid tier CPU's. When you jump to the 12700/K though shopping around would be a higher priority to find a better deal to save as much as possible. For the most part at launch they were going for $400-$500 and a few options started with a $3xx. I'm kind of surprised the price has remained so stable though over the past year as these things tend to drop off after the first 6 months of sales.
Anyway, the impact of the speed differences between these won't be significant in terms of times to process media. 6 cores / 12 threads across them doesn't make a huge difference. When you jump to more cores/threads that's where you feel the impact going to 8/16 = 4 is a significant boost in available resources.
For $40 more I would just grab the 12600 and call it a day. You have the highest throughput of the series and it's not a huge price difference. Spending too much time thinking about this though will just lead to FOMO instead of enjoying the performance boost now.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=19-118-414,19-118-343 - comparing ADL vs RPL K CPU's
The bump in 4 E cores for me wouldn't make sense in dropping an additional $50 for RPL. L2/L3 cache is a modest bump... getting stuck on some of the numbers just is a waste of time in the end. Is that .4 ghz really going to make a huge impact from one gen to the next? We're not trying to do quantum computing here we're running servers on consumer gear. Plex being the benefactor here for better use of the CPU though. But, it's not being used 100% of the time to do those functions. Is an extra 15-30 seconds going to make a huge difference?
As to the stock issue? There's always glitches and shipments coming in. It's not like it's a fire sale and once it's gone it's never coming back. I went through a local MicroCenter for my CPU because it was the cheapest option. If they're going to have any issue it's pretty soon after install and even the shortest 15 day warranty for return will cover replacing it. The thing is to have all your gear showing up around the same time so the return periods match up if something fails / DOA.
Yes, but I can get a 12400 for 192 on Newegg, sold by Newegg. 193 on Amazon, sold by Amazon.
If I decide to stick with the 12600, I have seen it at the $223 price. If it doesn't come back down to that, then 12400 it is.
In fact, I can get a used one for $155. I'll mull it over for a couple more days.
If I decide to stick with the 12600, I have seen it at the $223 price. If it doesn't come back down to that, then 12400 it is.
In fact, I can get a used one for $155. I'll mull it over for a couple more days.
Well, do you have all of the other parts down to a shortlist and ready to buy? We're in that precarious season of pricing where retailers are doing a dance with them coming up on Black Friday and cyber monday to make their discounts look bigger than they are. It's kind of like the mark ups before prime day.
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Wow, you must have been reading some of my older tech stuff.
For the last several years (pretty much beginning with all the shortages/pricing of components), I switched my attention over to toys instead.
I've been all about the Star Wars and Transformers, yo!
Yes. I'm just kind of doing the waiting thing like you are suggesting. I'm not in dire straits to get it done. I'm going to try to overcome my impatience. I'll try and wait for a deal if I can. Black Friday will be coming up I guess.
So, is this what you are talking about. Raising prices now, and then saying "Look at our great Black Friday Deals"when they lower them? I am pissed. Pissed at myself for being so wishy washy about the prices several days ago. But who thought they would go up over 20% in a couple of days.
I think what retailers are doing should be illegal. When I started this post several days ago, prices for the 12500 at Newegg was $202 and 12600 was $229. All sold by Newegg and not a 3rd party. Now, Newegg is out of stock on all, and the prices on other places have skyrocketed to 280 Newegg 3rd party, $258 on Amazon, and $254 on B&H for the 12600. For the 12500 you can find it now for $257 on Amazon 3r Party, Newegg 3rd party$258, and $254 at B&H.
I do have an option to get a new, open box 12400 for $125, but really want the 12600. I don't really think the 12600 or the 12500 is worth the difference in price though. I can't wait for Black Friday to come so I can get all of those good deals that those companies are going to give. I just don't understand how they can make it by slashing prices like they do.
Because they raise them before cutting them. It's simple. Demand is there and just bump the prices up enough to slow sales a bit before making them appear to be a huge deal for the sales season.
I put in the time to compare historical prices before making a decision and usually spending a couple of weeks gathering all of what's needed for a build into a list. I start tracking things closely to see what the market is doing and then pull the trigger on things as they drop in price.
FOMO though leads to freezing and not doing anything though. In the end things usually equal out when there's a great deal on a few parts and other parts don't budge much in either direction. The average total cost tends to be lower when just grabbing things at the closest to low price and not fretting over a couple of dollars here and there.
When I put together my ADL build I pulled the trigger on all of the parts prior BF and still managed to save $100 or so off the "sale" prices that were being offered. Sure, 6-12 months later there are bigger price reductions because there's a new CPU coming out and everyone is trying to get rid of some inventory.
On the flip side with AMD AM5 release isn't getting much traction because it's a complete rebuild from the MOBO / CPU / RAM and most don't want to pay that much when they've been able to just drop in a new CPU onto the same system for 5 years.
When you're playing the tech game it's best to get into the mindset it's not going to be a forever or 5 years of use situation like it used to be if you want to keep on the cutting edge of tech. Things now change so quickly you're better off planning on a system rebuild every 2-3 years if you want to get your money back out of it. Generational leaps are now coming a lot sooner than they used to in the past. Over the span of just a couple of years the bandwidth you get with PCIE slots jumped 2 generations which doubled with each one.
RAM has done the same going from DDR3 >> DDR5. While not as significant other than price it's still making for headaches when you go to upgrade as the notches for the chips change and require an overhaul of the guts to make them work.
There's quite a bit changing in the next couple of years again with everyone moving to a chiplet design and being able to pack more into a smaller package and customize things more with interconnects vs a monolithic single piece of silicon. Apple / AMD are already doing it and Intel is releasing it next fall but, the bigger change with Intel is 2024 with 2nm processes vs next years 4nm debut.
If you dig enough and keep an eye on the CPU market you'll get your deal eventually. It's a patience game though in the fall when there's turmoil with sales / releases / demand. Looking at the big picture of the total cost vs focusing on the $20 here or $50 there fluctuations is going to be less mentally taxing. If you're waiting it out then start gathering all of your other components and keep checking for flash sales while you're pulling in the parts you'll need anyway for the build. I wouldn't spend more than a few weeks though watching prices though since you want to be able to put things together and test to make sure it all works before you lose the option to return things for a refund vs replacement. Otherwise it might just make more sense to buy a prebuilt system from someone if the anxiety is too much surrounding the prices.
I just found out something that I didn't know about the 12400 though, that Alder Lake CPUs with UHD 770 graphics (i5-12500 and above) have two video codec engines enabled, while UHD 730 (i5-12400 and below) has only one enabled. I know that the 12400 is still overkill for the unRAID Plex server, but I look to the future too, and several years down the road. Maybe the 12500 or the 12600 is the best option for me.
See, the wishy washy part of me is coming back.
See, the wishy washy part of me is coming back.
Part of the issue is that I want to get started on my build, but I have to have knee surgery in 2 weeks which will put a couple week hold on what I'm doing. I enjoy wasting my time scanning prices, and reading about this, since I now have the time to do it. I can't believe how out of touch I had become with this stuff though.
I tend to listen to people, and their suggestions, but then so many people have so very different opinions of things, it makes it a little confusing, and overwhelming when it comes to making a final decision.
I'll be in a microcenter area in a couple weeks when I go up to Mayo Clinic in Minnesota to have my knee surgery. They tend to have great in store deals at times. Maybe I could hit one when I'm up there.
Thanks for always being so willing to give out your knowledge. It is greatly appreciated.
I tend to listen to people, and their suggestions, but then so many people have so very different opinions of things, it makes it a little confusing, and overwhelming when it comes to making a final decision.
I'll be in a microcenter area in a couple weeks when I go up to Mayo Clinic in Minnesota to have my knee surgery. They tend to have great in store deals at times. Maybe I could hit one when I'm up there.
Thanks for always being so willing to give out your knowledge. It is greatly appreciated.
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Yes, thanks Tech Junky and others for taking the time to engage users looking to build.They are pretty great for taking the time to answer some of my stupid questions. But if you don't ask, you don't learn either.
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Dual igpu might be more beneficial in the Plex stuff. On the laptop side it's even more noticable with the iris xe vs UHD. I had not picked up on the GPU differences in the 400 vs 500/600 though.
It's a murky event when building in general and there are the two camps of Intel vs AMD but, for the price AMD only offers some niche benefits for the higher price.
If you don't stay on top of things it's very easy to fall behind as things change at a lightning pace. I pick up on things throughout the conversation though and adjust accordingly to the needs that come out over time.
Things that don't change much though are the case, fans, CPU cooler, PSU, etc. Collecting them shouldn't be as difficult to make decisions on. Staying with the same LGA 1700 makes them static. When you get more refined as to whether you want DDR 4 or 5 then it narrows the options more when it comes to boards and CPU. I usually recommend starting with the CPU / GPU as those dictate the rest.
Dual igpu might be more beneficial in the Plex stuff. On the laptop side it's even more noticable with the iris xe vs UHD. I had not picked up on the GPU differences in the 400 vs 500/600 though.
It's a murky event when building in general and there are the two camps of Intel vs AMD but, for the price AMD only offers some niche benefits for the higher price.
If you don't stay on top of things it's very easy to fall behind as things change at a lightning pace. I pick up on things throughout the conversation though and adjust accordingly to the needs that come out over time.
Things that don't change much though are the case, fans, CPU cooler, PSU, etc. Collecting them shouldn't be as difficult to make decisions on. Staying with the same LGA 1700 makes them static. When you get more refined as to whether you want DDR 4 or 5 then it narrows the options more when it comes to boards and CPU. I usually recommend starting with the CPU / GPU as those dictate the rest.
What CPU cooler are you using? I hear a lot of bad things about Intel coolers, so even if I'm not OC, I suppose I better get a good cooler. I have a PSU that I am using from my other build. It is 5 years old, but it has a 10 year warranty because it was a gold level PSU. Thoughts on that?
https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-SE-226-XT-LGA1700-Heatpipes-All-Black/dp/B09FDXJV3M using one of these for $50 and put Arctic fans on both sides. A graphite pad between the cooler and CPU and it stays at room temp most of the time.
I usually put in a new PSU with a new build just for peace of mind and selling the prior build as a whole instead of parting it out.
5 years isn't bad though for age on a PSU.
I usually put in a new PSU with a new build just for peace of mind and selling the prior build as a whole instead of parting it out.
5 years isn't bad though for age on a PSU.
It's just easier to deal with than cleaning up paste. Set it and forget it forever. Same heat conductivity or better than most pastes.
I ended up getting my CPU. I found the best deal on a 12600 at Walmart.com. Sold by Walmart, shipped by Walmart. The nice thing about buying from them was I am able to return it to Walmart up until sometime in January. It was $241. Cheaper than any other place I could find. Who would have thought that Walmart would have the best deal. Another nice thing is that if I need to return it for any reason, I just go to my Walmart, and return it.
Now, I'm looking for my board. I have a question about several boards I'm looking at. The one I really like the looks of, and the options is missing 2 x PCIe x1 Slots. It has more NVME slots, and with the heatsinks it has built in, it takes up those 2 spots. What will I be giving up by losing those 2 slots?
I won't be using a video card at this time, because the 12600 is more than suffice to do the job, so the 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots won't have anything in them at this time. It has 6 sata ports, but I already have 5 drives, with more to be added in time.
I was possibly looking at adding this sometime in the future is needed:
What port would something like this use for best results?
Now, I'm looking for my board. I have a question about several boards I'm looking at. The one I really like the looks of, and the options is missing 2 x PCIe x1 Slots. It has more NVME slots, and with the heatsinks it has built in, it takes up those 2 spots. What will I be giving up by losing those 2 slots?
I won't be using a video card at this time, because the 12600 is more than suffice to do the job, so the 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16, 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots won't have anything in them at this time. It has 6 sata ports, but I already have 5 drives, with more to be added in time.
I was possibly looking at adding this sometime in the future is needed:
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They're all basically the same but with nuances whether M2 or card or 5-8 SATA ports.
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They're all basically the same but with nuances whether M2 or card or 5-8 SATA ports.
It's just additional stuff to configure when you can slap an hba in and just go. If you switched to a vanilla Linux distro there's a whole lot less mess to deal with.
As do I. I put in a daisy chain 5 drive power connector that keeps cabling tidy and then plug that into the single lead from the PSU. The SATA data leads though can be a pain but I'd rather not deal with fan-out cables and the cards they need.
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