your thoughts on the p4 extreme

[Zebo]

Zebo, you're quite correct in your above post, however add another task or tow, and once again even in those apps the a64 drops behind p4. the reason for this is actually due to the ineferior efficiency of p4's longer pipe, however HT turns the p4's single task "downside" into a multi task "upside" by filling unused portions of 20 stage pipe with the second task. try it yourself. all you have to do is encode in the background while playing a game in the foreground (or anything else that's cpu intensive).

again, it all depends on how you use your pc.

Agreed, Lets keep perspective though. No one I know runs the type of multitasking you're talking I mean Common two clients of DAoC and some encoding All run poor under these conditions, AMD way more poor, But I would'nt do it with either. Normal MT, there is no percievable diff...and dual cores..well will negate this INTEL advantage. To gamers like me though it's still a non-issue (I'm also not excited about dual core A64's for that reason). To power users like you its huge.


Takes all types.

 

[ntrights]

Originally posted by: Zebo
---------------------
Maya 6 split
Mathematica 5
Matlab 6.5
WinRAR 3.3
Lame 3.93 split
VirtualDubMod ? DiVX 5.11
Unreal Tournament 2003
FarCry
Warcraft III
IL-2 Sturmovik : Forgotten Battles
Bascailly every single game as we already know

Pentium 3.2 C/E and Pentium 3.4 C/E wins repectivly
----------------------
3d Studio Max 6
Maya 6 split
Lame 3.93 split
TMPGEnc 3.0 Xpress
Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0

ZeboEE wins Lame 3.93clearly also.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ntrights

Originally posted by: Zebo
---------------------
Maya 6 split
Mathematica 5
Matlab 6.5
WinRAR 3.3
Lame 3.93 split
VirtualDubMod ? DiVX 5.11
Unreal Tournament 2003
FarCry
Warcraft III
IL-2 Sturmovik : Forgotten Battles
Bascailly every single game as we already know

Pentium 3.2 C/E and Pentium 3.4 C/E wins repectivly
----------------------
3d Studio Max 6
Maya 6 split
Lame 3.93 split
TMPGEnc 3.0 Xpress
Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0

ZeboEE wins Lame 3.93clearly also.

Shenkoa and I arn't comparing the EE in this set of benches. He indicated the afforable newcastles basically suck I was addressing that concern and comparing them to thier penitum counterparts.

 

[ntrights]

my bad...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Felix... just shut up while you're ahead because you know nothing. All you do is say stupid things that get you introuble. SO just shut up!

Nice posts Zebo!!

If he is looking for the fastest pure gaming system yah gotta wait for Nforce 4.

Buy a Sckt 939 A64 FX 90nm. That will insure best performance.

THen get an Nforce 4 board (the SLI wont be out for a while )

THen get either a Geforce 6800U(E) or a X800XT(PE) both are pretty much equally as fast though IMO the 6800 seems more solid throughout all the benches.

For soundcard youll have to wait for Nforce4 to make judgement.

Memory, good ol Crucial Ballistix.


The P4EE is a good CPU however the price performance ratio is horrible. P4EE and value do not beling in the same sentence. The A64's beat it or tie it (depending on reviews) for anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 the price. The only INtel processor that is reall good out right now is the Pentium-M processor. People like awesome performance for a good price and low heat. They dont want furnaces in their rooms (though P4's are not THAT hot if you look at it right).


Also felix i would take dual opterons over ANYTHING except something with a greater number of processors.

-Kevin

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I am an EE user. I love the thing and had a thread with benchmarks in it until 100s of trolls came out to ruin it. They were so damn jealous of it. I will be posting that thread again.

I say go for it. :thumbsup:

that is entirely bad advice, unless you are not cost conscious. computers are worse than cars with respect to depreciation. at least you can get from point "a" to point "b" just as easily with a 15 y/o car and a brand new car. a 15 y/o computer can't really do what most people want now. if you have the money to waste, well be my guest. personally, that level of performance isn't worth the current prices since within 2 years, it will be entry-level performance.

 

[carlosd]

"P4C Better then socket 754 offerings"

Not even in intel's dreams.

 

[HiDeAtHfInItIoN]

whats a processor?

 

[Shenkoa]

I dont think HT would somehow utilize empty stages lol. That all depends on the frequency, with HT the work is simply devided between what the CPU can do, not what it cant do. IMO HT is good but the P4 has always been better for multitasking, this really benifits me cause I muiltitask constantly. Listening to an MP3 while browsing the net, encoding a DIX while running a web server.

And for overclocking, isnt it a reward to OC a 2.8C past 3.4 and whatch it smash everything in the same price range and even higher. Zebo, have you had any experients overclocking the Newcastle?

 

[Gamingphreek]

3.4 hardly "blows anything out of the water". I respect the firs part of your post but, AMD systems will still wipe the floor with it.

-Kevin

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
3.4 hardly "blows anything out of the water". I respect the firs part of your post but, AMD systems will still wipe the floor with it.

-Kevin

Oh come on, a 3.4 is in competition with the 3800+ and the FX, of course AMD at that point may have a little bit more speed, but so little more how the hell can you say AMD will wipe the floors with it, dont be a fanny. How much is the FX and 3800+ compared to the 2.8C?

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
3.4 hardly "blows anything out of the water". I respect the firs part of your post but, AMD systems will still wipe the floor with it.

-Kevin

Oh come on, a 3.4 is in competition with the 3800+ and the FX, of course AMD at that point may have a little bit more speed, but so little more how the hell can you say AMD will wipe the floors with it, dont be a fanny. How much is the FX and 3800+ compared to the 2.8C?

and can i ask you how much the a64 2800+ is compared to the 2.8C?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Felix... just shut up while you're ahead because you know nothing. All you do is say stupid things that get you introuble. SO just shut up!

Nice posts Zebo!!

If he is looking for the fastest pure gaming system yah gotta wait for Nforce 4.

Buy a Sckt 939 A64 FX 90nm. That will insure best performance.

THen get an Nforce 4 board (the SLI wont be out for a while )

THen get either a Geforce 6800U(E) or a X800XT(PE) both are pretty much equally as fast though IMO the 6800 seems more solid throughout all the benches.

For soundcard youll have to wait for Nforce4 to make judgement.

Memory, good ol Crucial Ballistix.


The P4EE is a good CPU however the price performance ratio is horrible. P4EE and value do not beling in the same sentence. The A64's beat it or tie it (depending on reviews) for anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 the price. The only INtel processor that is reall good out right now is the Pentium-M processor. People like awesome performance for a good price and low heat. They dont want furnaces in their rooms (though P4's are not THAT hot if you look at it right).


Also felix i would take dual opterons over ANYTHING except something with a greater number of processors.

-Kevin

Look you little crybaby, dont go around complaining when people criticize you if you go around saying things like:

"Felix... just shut up while you're ahead because you know nothing. All you do is say stupid things that get you introuble. SO just shut up! "

WTF were you trying to do here but insult me and start sh!t. Your nothing but a damn teenage, newbcheese, troll! So if you cant take it - dont dish it out! Otherwise just stfu and grow up!

ANYWAY -

As previously mentioned by the growing cadre of EE users / fans / etc., its the shizzo, my nizzo!

 

[clarkey01]

FelixDeKat...

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Felix... just shut up while you're ahead because you know nothing. All you do is say stupid things that get you introuble. SO just shut up!

Nice posts Zebo!!

If he is looking for the fastest pure gaming system yah gotta wait for Nforce 4.

Buy a Sckt 939 A64 FX 90nm. That will insure best performance.

THen get an Nforce 4 board (the SLI wont be out for a while )

THen get either a Geforce 6800U(E) or a X800XT(PE) both are pretty much equally as fast though IMO the 6800 seems more solid throughout all the benches.

For soundcard youll have to wait for Nforce4 to make judgement.

Memory, good ol Crucial Ballistix.


The P4EE is a good CPU however the price performance ratio is horrible. P4EE and value do not beling in the same sentence. The A64's beat it or tie it (depending on reviews) for anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 the price. The only INtel processor that is reall good out right now is the Pentium-M processor. People like awesome performance for a good price and low heat. They dont want furnaces in their rooms (though P4's are not THAT hot if you look at it right).


Also felix i would take dual opterons over ANYTHING except something with a greater number of processors.

-Kevin

Look you little crybaby, dont go around complaining when people criticize you if you go around saying things like:

"Felix... just shut up while you're ahead because you know nothing. All you do is say stupid things that get you introuble. SO just shut up! "

WTF were you trying to do here but insult me and start sh!t. Your nothing but a damn teenage, newbcheese, troll! So if you cant take it - dont dish it out! Otherwise just stfu and grow up!

ANYWAY -

As previously mentioned by the growing cadre of EE users / fans / etc., its the shizzo, my nizzo!

but still.....gamingphreek's right about you. if anything, you act more like a damn teenager then anyone else.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

ok for all you EE addicts out there bench it against an fx 55 in a few weeks. way better performance and an unlocked multi for a few hundred less? nuff said....

but i will go on anyway. how about for the rest of us non rich kids a 90 nm 3000 at 2.6 GHz with stock cooling? i believe that gives it a pr of 3.9 for under 200 bucks.

or if you don't overclock you could also wait a few eeks and get a 4000+...i think that beats intel's 4 Gigaher...wait a minute i just saw that thread that said they cancelled it. so why don't we compare it to intel's 3.8 gigaher...wait a minute they don't have one of those either. anybody know if newegg has any 3.6es yet?

the fact of the matter is that intel sucks right now and the only people who buy them are geniuses who think a more expensive cpu is better

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Zebo, you're quite correct in your above post, however add another task or tow, and once again even in those apps the a64 drops behind p4. the reason for this is actually due to the ineferior efficiency of p4's longer pipe, however HT turns the p4's single task "downside" into a multi task "upside" by filling unused portions of 20 stage pipe with the second task. try it yourself. all you have to do is encode in the background while playing a game in the foreground (or anything else that's cpu intensive).

again, it all depends on how you use your pc.

Agreed, Lets keep perspective though. No one I know runs the type of multitasking you're talking I mean Common two clients of DAoC and some encoding All run poor under these conditions, AMD way more poor, But I would'nt do it with either. Normal MT, there is no percievable diff...and dual cores..well will negate this INTEL advantage. To gamers like me though it's still a non-issue (I'm also not excited about dual core A64's for that reason). To power users like you its huge.


Takes all types.

well, i'm not even including my daoc issue here (and that had nothing to do with encoding at the same time).. but encoding with anything in the foreground is much slower. some ppl might not care that it takes 2x as long to encode while they play some ut2k4 or whatever, but others do.

it's just more pronounced to me as i simply can't play 2 daoc clients (with no other ongoing tasks) on my a64 as i can my p4, and i realize i'm very much in the minority here, but 80% of my gaming is daoc, so to me it stands out as a big issue. the encoding while doing other tasks, etc. is a less obvious example of this behavior, but it affects a far greater # of people.

i'm thinking i might give the 939 dual channel a shot, hoping it will (even if not as good as the p4) be able to handle 2 daoc clients before going back to intel, as i'm really fond of the nforce 3 chipset. just wish there was a better selection of motherboards out right now.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
I dont think HT would somehow utilize empty stages lol. That all depends on the frequency, with HT the work is simply devided between what the CPU can do, not what it cant do.

that's entirely incorrect. go ck out some technical docs or technical reviews/previews.

 

[clarkey01]

iwantanewcomputer lol i love that line


"wait a few eeks and get a 4000+...i think that beats intel's 4 Gigaher...wait a minute i just saw that thread that said they cancelled it. so why don't we compare it to intel's 3.8 gigaher...wait a minute they don't have one of those either. anybody know if newegg has any 3.6es yet? "


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[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
the fact of the matter is that intel sucks right now and the only people who buy them are geniuses who think a more expensive cpu is better

entirely incorrect. many people buy intels for reasons other than price, and they certainly don't "suck". a 2.4c running at 3.6 ghz is certainly comparable in value to anything else out there.

the 939 3000+ also seems to have some very nice headroom, however i'd like to see more than one reviewer obtain those results. also wish there were more choices in 939 mb's... tho time will fix that.

 

[FelixDeCat]

if anything, you act more like a damn teenager then anyone else.

Dang..I didnt know you were old enough to be a teen.

:roll:

Everyone says you are a 3 year old. Are they correct?

 

[clarkey01]

FelixDeKat


do you feel hard done by ?


If so why ?

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
3.4 hardly "blows anything out of the water". I respect the firs part of your post but, AMD systems will still wipe the floor with it.

-Kevin

Oh come on, a 3.4 is in competition with the 3800+ and the FX, of course AMD at that point may have a little bit more speed, but so little more how the hell can you say AMD will wipe the floors with it, dont be a fanny. How much is the FX and 3800+ compared to the 2.8C?

and can i ask you how much the a64 2800+ is compared to the 2.8C?

What the heck do you mean, the 2.8C is faster. As a matter of fact I think the 3200+ XP is faster then the 2800+ Newcastle.

 

[Zebo]

The 2800 is not faster than a 2.8C. (look at the benchmarks) Again the multiplier is 1.5:1 meaning the 2800 which runs at 1.8Ghz is about a 2.7C.


Just look at all scores normalized here http://hardware.fr/medias/phot...s/00/07/IMG0007917.gif

2.8C is 1.26 times faster than baseline
2800 is 1.20 times faster than baseline
and 3200AXP is only 1.19 times faster than base

Overclocking though, it will kill it, 2500 Mhz is common meaning 3.75C

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
iwantanewcomputer lol i love that line


"wait a few eeks and get a 4000+...i think that beats intel's 4 Gigaher...wait a minute i just saw that thread that said they cancelled it. so why don't we compare it to intel's 3.8 gigaher...wait a minute they don't have one of those either. anybody know if newegg has any 3.6es yet? "


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