Your thoughts on cheating and HS/College in general

[TheoPetro]

Is it ok to cheat in school?

Does that make it ok to cheat in your job?

Theopetro's general thoughts on HS/College

I always saw highschool as a serious waste of time (well the classes at least, the friends and outside of class was amazing). Most of the teachers seemed to have some big authoritative bug up their asses. A lot of them were pretty damn petty and it bugged me to no end. They would flip over the most mundane stuff. Then I got to college and thought it would be a lot better. Nope the professors here are even more petty and seem to be slightly more retarded than the ones in highschool.

Now on to cheating...

I did it in highschool and didnt think much of it. I would palm pieces of paper with notes or vocab words on them for quizzes and what not. Homework was communal, we all got together before class and did it. Then came college. I haven't cheated yet in college and dont really plan on it. Not because I think its wrong or anything I just dont feel the need to. My girlfriend gets pissed when she sees or hears of someone else cheating but seriously who gives a ******? Not I said the theopetro. If they get some job over me because they cheated and got a better GPA then F em. I doubt I wont be able to find a job because I didnt cheat. It seems like cheating gets a really bad wrap when in reality its not that bad. If someone cheats in their fine art class and they are a chem major who is that really hurting? So maybe they dont have as full of an appreciation for the arts as they would have, big deal. Cheating in courses that do pertain to your major isnt a big deal, let alone the "electives" and "diversity" courses.

It seems like everyone has some big problem with cheating when in reality there are some much more serious issues that should be looked into.

I understand that cheating is a form of dishonesty but so is telling a little white lie like "ya your hair looks good" when you know full well they look like a douche. So why is cheating seen as something so evil and vile?

~sigh

I just dont get it.

 

[BoomerD]

To me, it's more a matter of ethics than anything "evil"...if you can't be trusted to do your work without cheating, what CAN you be trusted for? I dislike liars and thieves, and cheating is a bit of both.

 

[atybimf]

I cheated on occasion. However I was usually the one being cheated off of. I didn't care, so I just pretended like I didn't realize it to stop myself from getting into any potential trouble.

 

[Canai]

I've always worked alone and never needed to cheat.

 

[Flammable]

i cheat....96% of the time

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
To me, it's more a matter of ethics than anything "evil"...if you can't be trusted to do your work without cheating, what CAN you be trusted for? I dislike liars and thieves, and cheating is a bit of both.

how does cheating make you a thief? I can understand the liar part but thief? Im not trying to argue just trying to point out how people give it such a negative connotation that I dont believe it deserves.

 

[yankeesfan]

The degradation of America continues.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: BoomerD
To me, it's more a matter of ethics than anything "evil"...if you can't be trusted to do your work without cheating, what CAN you be trusted for? I dislike liars and thieves, and cheating is a bit of both.

how does cheating make you a thief? I can understand the liar part but thief? Im not trying to argue just trying to point out how people give it such a negative connotation that I dont believe it deserves.

If you take the answers from someone elses work, you are stealing it from them...

With your attitude, you should go into government service...you'll go far as a Republican.

 

[atybimf]

I never cheated because I was incapable of answering a question correctly. I did it because I was lazy.

 

[Estrella]

bc future employers want an actual representation of what you can do. Eventually, one gets to the point(at least in math and science) where one cannot really cheat.

 

[Farang]

Replied to a thread like this recently, but I cheated all the time in high school. In college I don't because I'm genuinely interested in what I am learning. High school tests consisted of memorizing specific dates and names and had no indication of whether or not you understood the concepts. Sorry but I'm not screwing up my transcript because I thought Muhammad died in 623.

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: Estrella
bc future employers want an actual representation of what you can do. Eventually, one gets to the point(at least in math and science) where one cannot really cheat.

Not true, women will always be able to haggle with their bodies... at least with the male staff.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
The degradation of America continues.

please elaborate. I put in 20% of the work required, I get 80% (on average) of the grade), but I learn and retain ~90% of the material. I dont understand how cheating in college would be lessening my education. There wont be a time in my life where im at a job and I go "o crap I really wish I memorized ____fill in useless dribble here_____ because I dont have the ability to look it up". I have been working since I was 16 and it hasn't happened once and I dont expect it to. If it does then its a damn good thing I actually learned the stuff too.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: BoomerD
To me, it's more a matter of ethics than anything "evil"...if you can't be trusted to do your work without cheating, what CAN you be trusted for? I dislike liars and thieves, and cheating is a bit of both.

how does cheating make you a thief? I can understand the liar part but thief? Im not trying to argue just trying to point out how people give it such a negative connotation that I dont believe it deserves.

If you take the answers from someone elses work, you are stealing it from them...

With your attitude, you should go into government service...you'll go far as a Republican.

any information should be cited specifically then. Just because you remember something doesn't mean you came up with it. So with your line of thought everyone who hasn't self discovered everything they know is a cheater, liar, and thief.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: Estrella
bc future employers want an actual representation of what you can do. Eventually, one gets to the point(at least in math and science) where one cannot really cheat.

What can you tell about a persons abilities from an interview. Yes employers may want that but any HR department worth having knows that interviews are next to useless in determining future job performance.

 

[AbAbber2k]

I never cheated in college, and only rarely in high school. You're better off in the long run just doing the work and learning it properly.

 

[tasmanian]

I cheated all through high school. Mainly because i was too damn tired to care enough to do the work.

 

[BoomerD]

Nice strawman attempt...next, you'll be telling us that cheating is actually honorable because it allows you time to pursue more important things in your life, rather than doing the work that school requires, regardless of it's long term value...
Maybe, instead of government service, you should go into Republican politics...they LOVE people who are dishonest and cheat their way through life...

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
The degradation of America continues.

please elaborate. I put in 20% of the work required, I get 80% (on average) of the grade), but I learn and retain ~90% of the material. I dont understand how cheating in college would be lessening my education. There wont be a time in my life where im at a job and I go "o crap I really wish I memorized ____fill in useless dribble here_____ because I dont have the ability to look it up". I have been working since I was 16 and it hasn't happened once and I dont expect it to. If it does then its a damn good thing I actually learned the stuff too.

We all think we can do without college and move into the real world. It is the same reason you'll see polls in which the vast majority of people believe they have above average intelligence.

Actually doing the work in college leads to a much more thorough education. You may think not knowing ____ will not hurt you in life, but this is the same silly concept 1st graders use to say they don't want to go to school. "But Mommy in real life I'm never going to have to know about George Washington!" Yes that may be true, but it is the comprehensive education you recieve that is what matters. If you cheat in college you are not recieving that comprehensive education, period. Your own analysis of the situation and claiming that you've retained the material is bullsh1t, because if you retained 90% of the material you'd have no problem doing the assignments and exams.

There is no excuse for cheating in college. College isn't mandatory, if you don't want to learn then don't go. The rest of us are here to get an education and can do without your kind.

 

[elmro]

On a personal level I don't really care if someone I don't know in my class is cheating - they are only cheating themselves. The problem comes when a Professor curves a class. Not everyone can get an A - and cheaters make it a bit harder for honest students to earn high GPAs. I wish profs had the ability to give everyone in the class an A if they met a certain level of excellence but I would say that is the exception, not the rule.

I never cheated in either (and my GPA shows this ).

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Nice strawman attempt...next, you'll be telling us that cheating is actually honorable because it allows you time to pursue more important things in your life, rather than doing the work that school requires, regardless of it's long term value...
Maybe, instead of government service, you should go into Republican politics...they LOVE people who are dishonest and cheat their way through life...

I was just trying to have a discussion here, trying to get other points of view. I dont see a need to take this to a personal level.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
The degradation of America continues.

please elaborate. I put in 20% of the work required, I get 80% (on average) of the grade), but I learn and retain ~90% of the material. I dont understand how cheating in college would be lessening my education. There wont be a time in my life where im at a job and I go "o crap I really wish I memorized ____fill in useless dribble here_____ because I dont have the ability to look it up". I have been working since I was 16 and it hasn't happened once and I dont expect it to. If it does then its a damn good thing I actually learned the stuff too.

We all think we can do without college and move into the real world. It is the same reason you'll see polls in which the vast majority of people believe they have above average intelligence.

Actually doing the work in college leads to a much more thorough education. You may think not knowing ____ will not hurt you in life, but this is the same silly concept 1st graders use to say they don't want to go to school. "But Mommy in real life I'm never going to have to know about George Washington!" Yes that may be true, but it is the comprehensive education you recieve that is what matters. If you cheat in college you are not recieving that comprehensive education, period. Your own analysis of the situation and claiming that you've retained the material is bullsh1t, because if you retained 90% of the material you'd have no problem doing the assignments and exams.

There is no excuse for cheating in college. College isn't mandatory, if you don't want to learn then don't go. The rest of us are here to get an education and can do without your kind.

again as I said to BoomerD I didnt see a reason to take this to a personal level. If you had learned any sort of reading comprehension in HS or college then you would understand that I haven't cheated in college and I don't plan on it. Please keep this to a civil discussion or leave.

Regarding the exams and assignments, I don't have any difficulty with them. Like I said I put in roughly 20% of the effort required but I still get decent grades. The drop in grades isn't because of the difficulty of the assignments its because I don't put much into the classes that I don't see as mattering.

 

[Farang]

I never took this to a personal level. You wanted to defend your action in college and I took issue with those actions. I never said anything about your character. If you want to use yourself as an example in your argument, then I am going to have to direct my response at you.

If it makes you feel any better we can talk about "Billy Bob the Cheater" instead of you personally.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: Farang
I never took this to a personal level. You wanted to defend your action in college and I took issue with those actions. I never said anything about your character. If you want to use yourself as an example in your argument, then I am going to have to direct my response at you.

If it makes you feel any better we can talk about "Billy Bob the Cheater" instead of you personally.

again it looks like you failed on the reading comprehension part. If you look back up a bit you would see that stuff was directed at my person. "...and can do without your kind." I have no actions that I feel need to be defended from college and I don't feel the need to defend any from highschool. To me its a non issue.

 

[Furyline]

If people cheat their way through college without a true understanding of the material, it bothers me because it cheapens the value of my education. If a company hires someone from my college and finds they don't really know what they should, they will think twice when they see that college on my resume.

Plus, at least for me, I don't really know how I would cheat at a job without getting in serious trouble.