Your thoughts on cheating and HS/College in general

[her209]

Is it considered cheating if your father is cool with the Dean of the department?

 

[Rogodin2]

Is it considered cheating if your father is cool with the Dean of the department?

I'm sure the BJs you gave to the dean had something to do with the A's Mr.Her209.

Rogo

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Yeah, ummm, like maybe 10% (being generous) of kids in college want to actually LEARN the material so they can recall it later. If you don't believe me just walk into any lecture hall and look around to see what everyone is doing (this is saying that there's even a good amount of people even there). The majority of kids will be studying/cramming the night before or even the day of since they always find some way to rationalize it.

This is what leads to everyone cheating, going something like "oh well, this exam is only worth 10% of my grade so I can just look off of so and so's paper and study next time"...and then next time rolls around and they're at it again.

If somehow the material was actually interesting, I can see how people could get involved in it and have a genuine interest in learning it, but for the most part, in HS and beginning of college when you take such broad classes, there's just no will to learn it since it'll just be something different next year/semester.

Yeah I've cheated in HS, but more often then not I was cheated off of and I didn't care since I'm doing fine in my life and eventually karma catches up with everyone so fvck em'.

Those of us who weren't liberal arts majors really do have to recall what we learned in college to do our jobs.

 

[rocadelpunk]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
as a future math teacher I will not tolerate any cheating (hwk/quizzes/tests) and I will make damn sure it doesn't happen.

I take this stance b/c I cheated a couple times and once I got caught. I'll never forget the dissapointment across everybody's face.

a.) I want to instill in my kids a love of learning in all subjects (aka don't cheat themselves out of knowledge)

b.) I want them to have pride and confidence in themselves/their work

as others have said, cheating is a reflection upon your character.

c.) I want them to always know they can come and talk to me...about their problems/whatever drove them to want to cheat...and we'll work something out.

and several more reasons

but time to get back to the books

That is an amazing idea but the truth of the matter is nobody is going to like everything. It is very difficult to get someone to even acknowledge every subject let alone, respect each subject let alone, be interested in all subjects. I do admire your drive and I hope you keep it throughout teaching. Nothings worse than a burned out old teacher just waiting to retire.

Good luck

It is going to be very difficult, but I have some ideas...hopefully some will work. Luckily in highschool there's much more leeway with how grades are determined.

Just a few ideas off the top of my head for extra credit/save face:

1.) combine a project with the physics teacher (have extra credit pts split b/t classes or not at all)

2.) x hours of community service

3.) Having them read a piece of applicable literature with regards to their english class and write a short paper on a topic that I choose.

4.) Have extra credit questions on a quiz/test come from material in their other classes.

5.) whatever period/theme studying in history, do some research on history of math/how it was used back then/ etc.

6.) and of course have them make me pies on pi day

I'm one of those people that wishes they could have 5-6 majors. I'd love to take more courses in history (military), latin, political science, electrical engineering, english...

I just have a real love for learning...which came from my parents and teachers expecting great things all throughout my life...the idea that my education is my personal responsiblity, my job.

Yet, I'm constantly humbled by all the mistakes and regrets I have from highschool and life. I wish I could've done things differently (regardless of how amazing an experience and great my life is...it's a hindsight thing). Hopefully I'll be able to guide my students so that they at least won't make the same mistakes I've made.

 

[doze]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: doze
There is no such thing as cheating at work if you get the job done right. In fact if you get the job done, faster, cheaper, better than your counterparts you may be eligible for a raise or promotion.

Cheating at school is another story

I guess I was talking more about copying others (coworkers) ideas/work and passing them off as your own at ideas/work.

That is called management

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Those of us who weren't liberal arts majors really do have to recall what we learned in college to do our jobs.

Well considering I'm in engineering I wouldn't know anything about liberal arts. I'm just saying that on the average there's a lot more people taking more basic classes and less in specialized fields like engineering. By the second year of college, I can almost guarantee that there will be more people remaining in something like liberal arts then in engineering.

 

[Parasitic]

I'd get really mad if I spent 3 years working on an experiment that is essentially my life and career, only to have somebody walk past my desk and swiped the data off it and masquerade as his own.

Cheating is treated a lot more severely in college because of that idea.

 

[LtPage1]

Well, in science classes, it really is a competition- if you get an A, there's someone who didn't. As a social sciences major, I guess I shouldn't really care, but I do. Cheating is just lame, and I would definitely turn someone in.

I didn't always think that way- I never cheated in high school, but I didn't care at all that a lot of others did.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: TheoPetro

Originally posted by: BoomerD
To me, it's more a matter of ethics than anything "evil"...if you can't be trusted to do your work without cheating, what CAN you be trusted for? I dislike liars and thieves, and cheating is a bit of both.

how does cheating make you a thief? I can understand the liar part but thief? Im not trying to argue just trying to point out how people give it such a negative connotation that I dont believe it deserves.

If you take the answers from someone elses work, you are stealing it from them...

With your attitude, you should go into government service...you'll go far as a Republican.

Noob, copying someone's work isn't the only way to cheat

 

[Eeezee]

I generally don't cheat, I learn the subject matter better (and in my line of study that's actually important) and the risks are too high for getting caught. If you're smart enough to not get caught, then you're smart enough to learn the material in just as much time as it would take to prepare a sound method of cheating anyway.