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91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

As far as I know, you can't deploy an airbag via software. I remember reading about all the commands that OBDII and the newer specs had, and deploying the airbag wasn't one of them. The system can tell if it's been deployed, but it can't deploy it.
 

episodic

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They've been warning against this forever - now everyone is surprised?

I always get this feeling that if they found an asteroid about to impact the earth 7 months out was fount - 2 months later everyone would forget about it and worry about whichever celebrity was doing what. . . .



 

Eli

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

As far as I know, you can't deploy an airbag via software. I remember reading about all the commands that OBDII and the newer specs had, and deploying the airbag wasn't one of them. The system can tell if it's been deployed, but it can't deploy it.

There might be a hack. It's still software driven in the sense that the ECU's firmware has to monitor and detect the signal from the airbag sensors.

That's funny and scary at the same time.. lol.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

As far as I know, you can't deploy an airbag via software. I remember reading about all the commands that OBDII and the newer specs had, and deploying the airbag wasn't one of them. The system can tell if it's been deployed, but it can't deploy it.

There might be a hack. It's still software driven in the sense that the ECU's firmware has to monitor and detect the signal from the airbag sensors.

That's funny and scary at the same time.. lol.

What I mean is I think it's intentionally designed so the software has no control over it. It can only monitor it. The car's ECU can monitor these things but I'm pretty sure that the airbag has its own ECU that operates somewhat autonomously.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

As far as I know, you can't deploy an airbag via software. I remember reading about all the commands that OBDII and the newer specs had, and deploying the airbag wasn't one of them. The system can tell if it's been deployed, but it can't deploy it.

There might be a hack. It's still software driven in the sense that the ECU's firmware has to monitor and detect the signal from the airbag sensors.

That's funny and scary at the same time.. lol.

What I mean is I think it's intentionally designed so the software has no control over it. It can only monitor it. The car's ECU can monitor these things but I'm pretty sure that the airbag has its own ECU that operates somewhat autonomously.

Yeah, I would certainly hope so at least... Lest we have teenage jokesters setting people's airbags off for a quick laugh, lol.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Keep the real one in a shielded sleeve and keep a dummy one (or two!) out for the scanners to pick up. Sounds like fun. ;)

Time to whip out my Ineda Boner ID card...
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: Eli


Yeah, I would certainly hope so at least... Lest we have teenage jokesters setting people's airbags off for a quick laugh, lol.

Well the other problem is that cars use CAN for communication and that requires a hard wired connection to get full access, very few have wireless diagnostics.

The teenager under your dash would be a good sign something was up :)
 

Baked

Lifer
Dec 28, 2004
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Some day they'll just implant ID chips into babies the moment they're born whether people like it or not.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Baked
Some day they'll just implant ID chips into babies the moment they're born whether people like it or not.

Yeah but you can microwave the baby to destroy the RFID chip :laugh:
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

There's such a thing? :shocked:

It's been discussed. Who knows what can be done these days? Most likely your car is safe for now. It would not take much wiring change to make it possible.

A rudimentary device could possibly be constructed to make any car within range deploy but this (like an EMP weapon) would make ALL airbags go off!

In any case in the near future I can see it mandatory that all vehicles have a sort of control on them like the onstar system. This would make car chases a thing of the past. Once persuit begins the police can kill the vehicle and lock the doors making the escape vehicle a holding cell.
 

Linflas

Lifer
Jan 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: arcenite

And then you can use an RFID radio locator to try and locate the person and go over and punch them in the face.

Why not just use the remote airbag deployment system and give them a punch of the lifetime? :evil:

There's such a thing? :shocked:

It's been discussed. Who knows what can be done these days? Most likely your car is safe for now. It would not take much wiring change to make it possible.

A rudimentary device could possibly be constructed to make any car within range deploy but this (like an EMP weapon) would make ALL airbags go off!

In any case in the near future I can see it mandatory that all vehicles have a sort of control on them like the onstar system. This would make car chases a thing of the past. Once persuit begins the police can kill the vehicle and lock the doors making the escape vehicle a holding cell.

That certainly will do wonders for the used car market and JC Whitney.
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: Linflas

That certainly will do wonders for the used car market and JC Whitney.

I'm sure when a system drops off the grid from tampering (or any cause) the insurance company will be notified and the insurance dropped. No insurance = arrest driver. ;) They will find a way soon enough...

Elimination of toll both collectors. RFID built into license plates allows for toll collection automatically. Registration renewals will be monthly based tied to a debit system. People that never use a turnpike,tunnel,bridge, etc. pay their usual fee. Folks that do will pay the fee plus applicable tolls. People driving too fast will pay even more for a "wasting energy" tax. People driving 20 mph or more over the speed limit will pay an endangerment fee, etc. It's all about the taxes. ;)
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: coloumb
Originally posted by: sdifox
I still don't get why passports need RFID.

RFID info


err, existing passports have a bar code. you can pull up the same info just by scanning the bar code. Unless they don't trust their own data or their own data link.

My point is, what is the problem RFID is supposed to solve?
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
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Obligatory right wing "If you don't have anything to hide, why would you object to this?" comment.


Personally, I've always been against any type of RFID identification card. I may support the idea of "Real ID" that is valid in all states, and contains the passport information to be used in lieu of a passport, but NOT with an RFID chip in it.
Too easy to store information in them that a person may NOT WANT in it. Far too many ways this could be abused.
 

se7en

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Originally posted by: Rubycon

Elimination of toll both collectors. RFID built into license plates allows for toll collection automatically. . ;)

Good so I can steals your plate and run all over town for free!!!!
 

Lithium381

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: coloumb
Originally posted by: sdifox
I still don't get why passports need RFID.

RFID info


err, existing passports have a bar code. you can pull up the same info just by scanning the bar code. Unless they don't trust their own data or their own data link.

My point is, what is the problem RFID is supposed to solve?


like most government mandated programs, they have a 'solution' to problems that don't exist
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Obligatory right wing "If you don't have anything to hide, why would you object to this?" comment.


Personally, I've always been against any type of RFID identification card. I may support the idea of "Real ID" that is valid in all states, and contains the passport information to be used in lieu of a passport, but NOT with an RFID chip in it.
Too easy to store information in them that a person may NOT WANT in it. Far too many ways this could be abused.

So you think controlling the masses is only the right wing?

LULZ @ the feeble old man.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Obligatory right wing "If you don't have anything to hide, why would you object to this?" comment.


Personally, I've always been against any type of RFID identification card. I may support the idea of "Real ID" that is valid in all states, and contains the passport information to be used in lieu of a passport, but NOT with an RFID chip in it.
Too easy to store information in them that a person may NOT WANT in it. Far too many ways this could be abused.

So you think controlling the masses is only the right wing?

LULZ @ the feeble old man.


LOL @ brainwashed little kid...

How many times during the Bush Administration were we told in reference to the domestic spying/wiretapping, "If you don't have anything to hide, why do you care?" That's just one quick example of the right wing brainwashing...IME, the "left wing" doesn't want to "control the masses," but rather, they want people to be able to do whatever they want...as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people. THAT is one of the core ideals behind liberalism...Of course, some folks believe that their way of life is better than any other...and prefer to be told what to do, where and when to do it...so this idea doesn't necessarily interest them. :p
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Obligatory right wing "If you don't have anything to hide, why would you object to this?" comment.


Personally, I've always been against any type of RFID identification card. I may support the idea of "Real ID" that is valid in all states, and contains the passport information to be used in lieu of a passport, but NOT with an RFID chip in it.
Too easy to store information in them that a person may NOT WANT in it. Far too many ways this could be abused.

So you think controlling the masses is only the right wing?

LULZ @ the feeble old man.


LOL @ brainwashed little kid...

How many times during the Bush Administration were we told in reference to the domestic spying/wiretapping, "If you don't have anything to hide, why do you care?" That's just one quick example of the right wing brainwashing...IME, the "left wing" doesn't want to "control the masses," but rather, they want people to be able to do whatever they want...as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people. THAT is one of the core ideals behind liberalism...Of course, some folks believe that their way of life is better than any other...and prefer to be told what to do, where and when to do it...so this idea doesn't necessarily interest them. :p

You forgot to include a picture of sheep.