Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: jbourne77
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Wow... you took quite a few liberties in interpreting my "largely (or even wholly attributable)" statement.
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K. List your rules of interpretation and I'll try to abide by them.
1. Reading comprehension
2. No strawmen
Taking "Bush is not wholly or largely culpable" and transforming it into "not at all culpable" violates #1 if you're ignorant, #2 if you're stubborn, or both if you're... both.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: jbourne77
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Wow... you took quite a few liberties in interpreting my "largely (or even wholly attributable)" statement.
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You seem to be exceedingly focused on the political personalities.
Well, at the moment, that's all Obama is to me. A personality. He'll become more in the next four years.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Maybe we can agree that the bush administration fucked up big time. I probably believe that they fucked up more than you but it's not relevant.
You might be surprised, but on this forum, anyone unwilling to blindly blame him for everything is relegated to the Neocon/Fascist category. I consider myself a rather free thinker, and if you read my posts over the past few weeks, you'll find a rather flexible and mobile mindset. I'm not fixed in my views. It wasn't long ago that I abandoned John McCain. However, that doesn't mean that I swallow whatever the Left is selling without asking questions.
But like I said in another reply in this thread, asking questions about Obama - no matter how innocent they are - is rather unpopular and unaccepted.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Man, you're quite sensitive. Are you a republican supporter?
I'm very sensitive to the hypocrisy on this board, yes. The blind faith exibited by the Left is every bit as scary and disturbing as the right wing religious whackos. Neither are a rational, thinking group.
I'm a Republican supporter insofar as they are more aligned with my economic values than the Democrats are (REAL Republicans - not what we have today). For instance, I firmly believe that Obama's tax programs will lead to substantial job loss. However, McCain's preference for large, bloated government makes it every bit as difficult to support him, instead. In the end, I simply want fiscal responsibility. I could give a shit about gay marriage, sodomy (butt sex is underrated), religious affiliation (as long as it doesn't affect me), etc. I want streets, water, electricity, property rights, and national security from my government. That's about it.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
that the neocon movement is stamped out.
As long as the Neoliberal movement isn't ushered in right behind it, I'm fine with that. I'm not eager to trade one disastrous, extreme ideology for another.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Mursilis
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And you seem quite sensitive also. You should handle your grief and embarrassment privately. You need to not beat yourself up so much.
He was merely correcting you - rather politely, I might add - on your strawman attempt. Just because someone calls you out for your lame attempt to put words in someone's mouth or distort their position does not make them "sensitive". His statements were logical, calm, and rational. No need to be so defensive and reactionary; we're not a threat to you. We're just saying this isn't all Bush's fault. Sorry if that's difficult to accept.