Discredit? Are you serious? I didn't realize how forbidden it was to scrutinize, question, and examine our future president.
Jeez... people ask a few basic questions, and look how defensive the die-hards get.
Fascist-Liberal much?
Discredit? Are you serious? I didn't realize how forbidden it was to scrutinize, question, and examine our future president.
Jeez... people ask a few basic questions, and look how defensive the die-hards get.
Fascist-Liberal much?
You don't think the bush administration and its policies has any culpability in the current condition of the u.s.? Is it clinton's fault? Bush I's fault?
Is the removal of much regulation or the lack of new regulation at fault?
Wow... you took quite a few liberties in interpreting my "largely (or even wholly attributable)" statement.
Did I imply there's no culpability? Absolutely not. However, Pelosi's statements just before the house vote on the bailout pinned these problems squarely and wholly on Bush. While I have a difficult time believing those are Pelosi's true beliefs (she's smarter than that; she was merely politicking), there are those on the left who do subscribe to this notion - a notion of ignorance and/or delusion.
He never said Bush2 was without any culpability; he only said that he was not "wholly" culpable. Some looming issues, such as future SS/Medicare funding, were already problems when Bush took office; like prior presidents, he merely failed to deal with them. Other problems, such as Iraq, are wholly on Bush. Somewhere between Bush gets ALL the blame and Bush gets NONE of the blame lies the truth.
Specop 007
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Ironic you supporting crime under the disguise of racism.
I call a spade a spade, nothing more. At some point in our history facts were replaced with feelings and political correctness.
ProfJohn
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You can't call his family 'interracial' he was raised by his white grandparents and his white mom. He black dad had nothing to do with his up bringing.
As for the food stamp thing?? At what point in his life was he on food stamps? Living in Hawaii he went to a private school from the 5th grade on. This year the school is charging $16,675 for tuition. His grandmother was the vice president of a bank.
I replied in the same tone he did; it was civil until he changed the color of the discussion.
That's just how I roll, ese.
jonks
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Leonore Annenberg, wife of the founder of the Annenberg charities, endorsed McCain and contributed to his campaign, according to a McCain press release. You know what that means? McCain is bragging about being endorsed and accepting funding from someone who bankrolls terrorists! Who is the real John McCain?
An absent black father?
Stop the presses!
Ironically thought that is one of the times that I think Obama did say the right thing rather than the most politically expedient thing with his Father's Day speech.
It hits a lot closer to home when the first black president tells you to get your shit together rather than a bunch of white people.
K. List your rules of interpretation and I'll try to abide by them.
You seem to be exceedingly focused on the political personalities. Pelosi is certainly a pol but then she's just a pol.
Maybe we can agree that the bush administration fucked up big time. I probably believe that they fucked up more than you but it's not relevant.
Man, you're quite sensitive. Are you a republican supporter? If you voted for bush then I could understand feeling pretty stupid about now. But the time for recriminations has passed. We just need to make sure it doesn't happen again - that the neocon movement is stamped out.
And you seem quite sensitive also. You should handle your grief and embarrassment privately. You need to not beat yourself up so much.
1. Reading comprehension
2. No strawmen
Taking "Bush is not wholly or largely culpable" and transforming it into "not at all culpable" violates #1 if you're ignorant, #2 if you're stubborn, or both if you're... both.
Well, at the moment, that's all Obama is to me. A personality. He'll become more in the next four years.
You might be surprised, but on this forum, anyone unwilling to blindly blame him for everything is relegated to the Neocon/Fascist category. I consider myself a rather free thinker, and if you read my posts over the past few weeks, you'll find a rather flexible and mobile mindset. I'm not fixed in my views. It wasn't long ago that I abandoned John McCain. However, that doesn't mean that I swallow whatever the Left is selling without asking questions.
But like I said in another reply in this thread, asking questions about Obama - no matter how innocent they are - is rather unpopular and unaccepted.
I'm very sensitive to the hypocrisy on this board, yes. The blind faith exibited by the Left is every bit as scary and disturbing as the right wing religious whackos. Neither are a rational, thinking group.
I'm a Republican supporter insofar as they are more aligned with my economic values than the Democrats are (REAL Republicans - not what we have today). For instance, I firmly believe that Obama's tax programs will lead to substantial job loss. However, McCain's preference for large, bloated government makes it every bit as difficult to support him, instead. In the end, I simply want fiscal responsibility. I could give a shit about gay marriage, sodomy (butt sex is underrated), religious affiliation (as long as it doesn't affect me), etc. I want streets, water, electricity, property rights, and national security from my government. That's about it.
As long as the Neoliberal movement isn't ushered in right behind it, I'm fine with that. I'm not eager to trade one disastrous, extreme ideology for another.
He was merely correcting you - rather politely, I might add - on your strawman attempt. Just because someone calls you out for your lame attempt to put words in someone's mouth or distort their position does not make them "sensitive". His statements were logical, calm, and rational. No need to be so defensive and reactionary; we're not a threat to you. We're just saying this isn't all Bush's fault. Sorry if that's difficult to accept.
If Obama wins it will be history according to McCain/Palin (McFalin').
It would mean that someone who is "Not one of us" was elected. And you know what "Not one of us" means...don't'cha (wink)...
It would mean that someone who is "Not one of us" was elected. And you know what "Not one of us" means...don't'cha (wink)...
My apologies, I was just kidding about following any of your rules.
Not even going to get into your attempt to rewrite history.
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I don't disagree that others are hyper-sensitive about republican policies and actions these past eight years. I could say something like "well, just look what ___ said/did" but that's lame. The fact that some have defended these republican policies and actions is equally indefensible and exhibits extreme party hackery.
No matter who gets elected, I plan to give praise and criticism where it is deserved in the coming years. Fuck any religious-like loyalties.
It's not difficult to accept - it's impossible to accept. But I'm not going to get into with his solicitor.
I'd love to see you try. You rewrote/misrepresented my words. Either admit it or quit drawing attention to it.
someone who's so set apart from small town america that he thinks they cling to their religion out of xenophobia?
I'm not bossy; but if you're going to be an ass and misrepresent my words - especially in such stupid fashion - I will certainly hold your feet to the fire.
The only brick wall around here is the one separating the two halves of your brain.
Those years may be behind us but it's not like there's a clean slate on 1/20/09. Whoever wins this election is going to have one hellova mess to clean up. The (R)'s had their chance from 2000-2006. It's time to give the (D)'s a chance.
Look at the Right go.
"He's 50% black"
"He's not interracial"
"He's really white"
You all look very foolish. There is a reason why none of your attacks on Obama have worked, I'll let you figure out why.
"He's 50% black"
"He's not interracial"
"He's really white"
You all look very foolish. There is a reason why none of your attacks on Obama have worked, I'll let you figure out why.
Oh no question. I don't think anyone is disputing that Bush's presidency will go down as one of the most difficult to clean up after and follow. The discussion to which you responded started with me saying that I am rather skeptical of those who follow Obama - largely an unknown at this point - in cult-like fashion. Someone responded by bringing up McCain and the religious right... for some reason. My end point on the matter was that I don't care about McCain and the religious right at this point in time because they're not the ones who will be at the helm for the next 4 years. They're not "in play", so to speak.
If they were, we'd be having an entirely different discussion.
They're doing it to ruffle your feathers. Wise up.
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