You credit card fans explain something to me

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Texashiker

Lifer
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And yet like mortgages and student loans, they're an essential part of life for a lot of people.

No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Having 2 different dates seems like a scam on the consumer.

1 card - 2 dates to watch
2 cards - 4 dates to watch
3 cards - 6 dates to watch
and so on,,,,,,,,.

It seems that is credit card companies wanted to be fair to the consumer, they would report the balance on or after the due date. What the card companies are doing seems like a deceptive business practice.

Well, you or your friend can skip the hard part by ALWAYS limit the usage of that CC below 30% of the credit line or less ($150 or less in that particular CC), never go above that threshold. No more worry about remembering anything else except paying the balance in full before the due date.
 
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MixMasterTang

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Jul 23, 2001
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I didnt read the entire thread but there is am easy answer for her.

Credit cards companies report the current balance as of the "statement date". So even if she pays it off every month the balance is still reported, but she isnt paying interest. If she makes a payment a day before the statement date or billing period end date they will report 0 (or whatever wasnt paid).
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.

So do you have a mortgage?
 

AMDZen

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Apr 15, 2004
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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.

Yes. They are essential. For most people.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.
Haha, what work around? Save up and pay cash for a house or an education when you are 50 if you are lucky?
 

AMDZen

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Apr 15, 2004
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Haha, what work around? Save up and pay cash for a house or an education when you are 50 if you are lucky?

Well Dave Ramsey tells me so, so you can - duh. He has a zero credit score and he does just fine in life. His book sales, radio shows and other marketing vestments have nothing to do with that, it was all because he did it without credit. And you can too :thumbsup:
 

D1gger

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Oct 3, 2004
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From my last Credit Report:

TDCT VISA

High Credit/Credit Limit: $15,000.00
Minimum Payment Amount: $10.00
Balance Amount: $450.00
Past Due: $0.00

No Payment 30 days late
No Payment 60 days late
No Payment 90 days late

So this would show that I have utilized 3.0% of my available credit (on this card). The Credit Rating companies like this low rate of utilization. If my Credit Limit was $500.00 then the utilization would be 90.0%, and they definitely do not like this. Your friend should either get an increase in credit limit, or pay off the balance before the statement is issued to reduce her utilization.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Jeez, even my first credit card has a max of $1000. Where the heck do you find one with a limit of $500?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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As others have mentioned, I have a feeling she's paying in full, but AFTER her statement cuts. In other words, when its due. If she were to max out her CL, and pay it the day before her statement cuts, her credit report would show a 0 balance with no ill effects. What goes on in between statement cycles isnt reported. The snap shot AT statement time is.

I would advise her to call her CC company and ask when statement cut off is, then plan on PIF the day before.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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What? That makes no sense. For every credit card I have ever encountered, if the balance is paid every month, there should be no penalties and it should not have a negative impact on someone's credit score.

Something is messed if they are saying she has a high balance when she does not.

KT

It all depends on when they report.
 

guachi

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Nov 16, 2010
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If she doesn't plan on applying for credit any time soon (except for a limit increase on the CC), it doesn't really matter that she's getting dinged a few points because of her usage limit.

It's far, far worse to be late on payments.
 

EMPshockwave82

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Jul 7, 2003
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Yes, if you use more than 50-60% of your available credit limit on a given card it can have negative effects on your credit score. Even if your limit is only $500.

Dropped me 20 points one time. Took 4 months to get it back for 1 purchase that I didnt want to use cash for.
 

Bignate603

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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.

You're right, you can get by without a mortgage and student loans. You're also right that most people aren't willing to do without them, and if they use them wisely they're making a very solid financial/life decision.

For example, I took out some small student loans to pay for my degree. I worked during school to minimize the size of the loan I needed and my family helped when they could. The end result is that after 4 years my income is 2-3 times what I could make before I graduated while my loans are less than 1/15th my take home income. Without that loan I wouldn't have been able to graduate in the time that I took and I would have spent far more of my working life earning less. I could have gotten the same degree, it would have just taken me longer. If you do out the math I end up earning noticeably more over my lifetime by taking the loan and finishing school faster, even after accounting for the amount I need to pay back in interest for the loan.
 

vshah

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Sep 20, 2003
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Having 2 different dates seems like a scam on the consumer.

1 card - 2 dates to watch
2 cards - 4 dates to watch
3 cards - 6 dates to watch
and so on,,,,,,,,.

It seems that is credit card companies wanted to be fair to the consumer, they would report the balance on or after the due date. What the card companies are doing seems like a deceptive business practice.

the more cards you have, the more likely it is that your overall utilization will be lower anyway, so you don't have to watch out/care as much for the additional dates.
 

dullard

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May 21, 2001
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It seems that is credit card companies wanted to be fair to the consumer, they would report the balance on or after the due date. What the card companies are doing seems like a deceptive business practice.
It isn't a scam, it isn't complicated, it isn't difficult.

It is two simple questions. How much total do you owe on revolving (mostly credit cards) credit today? How much total credit do you have on all of your revolving credit put together?

Both questions can be answered in a few minutes by anyone. If the ratio is over ~20%, there are minor credit score hits. The higher the ratio goes (especially over 50%), the bigger the credit score ding.

But keep in mind, that is just one minor portion of your credit score. The credit utilization portion is only 30% of your credit score, and the ratio is only part of that 30%. A lot of the rest of the 30% comes from factors such as having a credit card you don't use (big benefit to your score as you now have a source of funds in an emergency), the total amount owed (if you owe a lot, it can hurt your score), the number of debts you have (smaller is often better), and how much of the loans have you paid off (paying off more is better). With all those factors competing for that small 30% of the score, the balance to total credit ratio just isn't a big deal for most people.

Your friend can address this problem by:
1) Getting more revolving credit. She can ask for a credit line increase. But, it is best if this is done with another credit card that she doesn't use and puts it aside for emergencies (use it once a year to keep it active as a few credit card banks monitor the length of time it is unused).

2) Using her credit card less.

3) Paying her credit card more than once a month so that she never owes much at any point in time. This one depends on how often the card reports the balance though, so it is hardest for her to control.

4) Ignoring it, as it isn't likely hurting her score much.
 
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JMapleton

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Once again, a credit card basher's negative view of credit cards is fueled only by his own misinformation.
 

dullard

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May 21, 2001
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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.
You forget that more and more companies won't hire without a good credit score. Insurance prices are often based on it too. Apartments are using them more and more to decide between possible renters. So, they are essential if you want a job, want to live anywhere, and like paying low prices.
 

JMapleton

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Nov 19, 2008
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No, they are not essential.

Our society has been conditioned to think that mortgages and student loans are essential, but they are not.

There are work arounds to mortgages and student loans, but few people are willing to take that route.

While I agree with you that people should rely less and less on loans, what you are failing to remember is that credit cards will pay you to use their cards if you responsible.

If you are not responsible, this is a bad deal, but if you are responsible, why not take free money and all the other benefits of having a credit card?

I'm in the planning stages of a trip to England with my gf and most of it's being paid for by American Express through the large mount of points I'm racked up over the years.

Hear that? Nearly free vacation.

And I pay zero interest on the card. It's a charge card, Amex will not let me pay interest or carry a balance.

I also bought my gf a inexpensive bracelet a few months ago and she lost it.

You know what Amex did for me? Gave me all my money back because my cc comes with "Lost Item Insurance" for 90 days. I went out and bought another one. Free replacement.
 
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JMapleton

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You forget that more and more companies won't hire without a good credit score. Insurance prices are often based on it too. Apartments are using them more and more to decide between possible renters. So, they are essential if you want a job, want to live anywhere, and like paying low prices.

I used to work in the insurance industry and auto insurance prices change a LOT with your credit score. I mean a lot. At least with the companies I dealt with.
 

Rumpltzer

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Jun 7, 2003
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Jeez, even my first credit card has a max of $1000. Where the heck do you find one with a limit of $500?

My first credit card (as an undergrad) had a limit of like $260. I was 18 years-old, I only worked summers, and I had no credit history at all. I never even used the card except to buy some theater or airline tickets.

When I began to build my first computer (back in the day when you'd shop in the Computer Shopper magazine instead of online), I had to collect parts over a couple of months because of my credit limit. When the credit card company saw me utilize the card, they bumped up my limit to like $800.

I was still in the $1600 range (with multiple cards) until I left grad school.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I used to work in the insurance industry and auto insurance prices change a LOT with your credit score. I mean a lot. At least with the companies I dealt with.

Say I got my auto policy a year ago, and my credit is better now... is it worthwhile to have my insurer reassess my situation?
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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You credit card fans explain something to me

A lady I carpool with was telling about her credit card usage. She has a card with a low limit (she said $500 limit), which she uses to buy various stuff with. The items usually include her lunch and fuel for her truck.

Every month she pays the card balance off.

The credit card company is reporting her as having a high balance on the card, and its having a negative effect on her credit score.

The Credit Card Industry is nothing but a thieving scam.

Everyone should throw the junk away.

If everyone stopped using their shit the shit would go away.