Dont listen to these asshats especially Gatsbey who reminds me of the guy everyone hates because no matter what you are talking about he knows it all has already done before it all just bigger and better....
Unless he has driven the new sienna or ody he needs to shut the fvck up..case in point he states he has driven a minivan numerous times then replies that it was an older 5 yr old american van..which will not compare to the sienna or ody
from edmunds on the ody "Agile, carlike handling"
plus
3.5-liter VTEC engines rated at 244 horsepower, and are mated to a five-speed automatic transmission. The difference is that one is classified as an i-VTEC featuring Variable Cylinder Management (VCM, standard equipment on top trim levels). VCM increases fuel-efficiency by "shutting off" three of the engine's six cylinders during cruising and deceleration, and switches back to using all six cylinders when added power is needed. The VCM system, noted to increase fuel economy by as much as 12 percent over the regular VTEC V6, is virtually undetectable. As an added bonus, Honda Odyssey models with VCM are extra quiet because they're equipped with Active Noise Control (ANC) technology that works with the audio system to effectively cancel inherent noise produced by the VCM system (along with some road noise).
anyways back on point..
my preference is either the ody or sienna..and yes with all the neat things they will run up to and exceed 30k....
but there is no replacing the practicality, convenience and room of a minivan for hauling the family...especially on those long family trip and vacations and the new ody even has middle-row rolldown windows.