You all think George Floyd was bad.. this is worse (Massey)

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Are you still harping on that? I count at least 9 posts saying the same thing.

 

[DaaQ]

OK, this is no defense of the cop. Even if she did threaten him with boiling water all he had to do was move away.
BUT, I noticed in the footage of the shooter's body cam she actually DOES chuck the pot of boiling water at him just before being shot.

At 28:37 start watching. She ducks the second time, hidden by his arm in the cam, she grabs the pot and suddenly the steaming pot and steaming water appear just below the shooter's left arm on a chair and steaming water at his feet. The pot of water was on the counter in front of her just before this. And now it is right in front of the cop steaming with a puddle of steaming water at his feet.

28:44 is where you can clearly see the steaming pot directly in front of the cop just under his left arm on a chair. She chucked it across the kitchen.

AGAIN, this is no excuse. He could and should have just moved away. Shooting her was murder.

But after watching it multiple times I was shocked to see that she did actually chuck the boiling pot of water at him.

Link to video at start of shooter's body cam footage:

She was shot by other cops body cam, from what I saw, the one you are referring to didn't fire from what I remember. I don't want to watch again and am thankful it was blurred, but the fact is pot was on the t section of the sink and she had both hand off pot as she ducked to try and not be killed. Maybe she tried to defend herself with the pot, but she clearly was shot before the pot got to the chair.

 

[DaaQ]

From the shooter's body cam it appears that he shoots her as she throwing it. She pops back up, her hands go to the pot, and the water and pot end up across the kitchen at the shooter's feet as he fires. His arm blocks seeing anything else.

I'm not defending the cop here. He had no reason to advance on her like that. He was negligent for sending a mentally disturbed woman into the kitchen. He was an asshole from the getgo. He caused this. But his attorney will destroy a 1st degree murder charge.

It should be 2nd degree or manslaughter.

Shooter's body cam was off, partners was on, the one that went to the back of the Taurus or whatever model car he had trunk while visibly shaking. He was the one that said he was "on" . the the shooter turned on his audio in the 2nd cam footage video.

Ain't anyone with a gun drawn at them who drops to the ground to try and survive is going to "pop back up and fling a half pot of hot water" which is not a lethal weapon in any sense.

She tried to hit the ground to protect herself, somehow the pot got to the chair, but she had already been shot in the fucking face.

 

[Vic]

If she put the pot down, WHY was it back in her hands again?

AGAIN, he is wrong. But the fact that she threw the pot negates a 1st degree charge and any defense attorney will shred this case if they go with 1st degree murder.

I strongly disagree based on the fact that he said he was going to shoot her in the face and then did so.
I've seen a lot of this talk about the pot and the officer needing to defend himself, but the reality under the law is that once he issued that threat, while inside her home without warrant or probable cause, she could have pulled a gun out of a drawer and shot him in the face and it would have been a good shoot. While anything he did, other than retreat, was gonna be murder 1 no matter what.

 

[Amused]

Shooter's body cam was off, partners was on, the one that went to the back of the Taurus or whatever model car he had trunk while visibly shaking. He was the one that said he was "on" . the the shooter turned on his audio in the 2nd cam footage video.

Ain't anyone with a gun drawn at them who drops to the ground to try and survive is going to "pop back up and fling a half pot of hot water" which is not a lethal weapon in any sense.

She tried to hit the ground to protect herself, somehow the pot got to the chair, but she had already been shot in the fucking face.

The shooter's body cam was on. Not audio though. It's at 28 minutes in the video above. From 28:33 to 28:44 you can clearly see the pot ends up across the kitchen over the back of a chair in front of the officer. Still steaming. Steaming water also splashes at his feet at the line between the kitchen and living room.

 

[Amused]

She was shot by other cops body cam, from what I saw, the one you are referring to didn't fire from what I remember. I don't want to watch again and am thankful it was blurred, but the fact is pot was on the t section of the sink and she had both hand off pot as she ducked to try and not be killed. Maybe she tried to defend herself with the pot, but she clearly was shot before the pot got to the chair.

28:33 to 28:44 in the video in op is shooter's body cam. No audio. Video was running.

 

[DaaQ]

The shooter's body cam was on. Not audio though. It's at 28 minutes in the video above. From 28:33 to 28:44 you can clearly see the pot ends up across the kitchen over the back of a chair in front the the officer. Still steaming. Steaming water also splashes at his feet at the line between the kitchen and living room.

I know I watched the original posted video multiple times, the pot did move, but she did not pop back up, because he fired as she tried to hit the floor.
Watched on monitor and 62" screen.
She CLEARLY went to the ground when he drew on her without a pot in hand, then shots are fired, the cop I beleive did not shoot, is who's cam footage shows the pot on the chair, there is no dispute that it CLEARLY shows, in the not so graphic version, that she dropped to the floor while pot was on the T section of a double wide sink.

Also, there is very reasonable doubt that the officers life was in danger by hot or boiling water.

My wife, thinks that maybe she thought the cop was the prowler, because BC1 footage shows him searching all around BEFORE EVEN attempting to contact the person that called them, and sounded annoyed for being called at all.

I usually agree with you, but it comes across like good shoot. From a pot of boiling water. I am sorry. He really fucking over reacted and caused PTSD to the person on scene with him.

 

[DaaQ]

Just watched again, and a good point to make is she never hung up with 911, during the whole incident.

Shooter told her to move pot so house don't burn down, then draws when she made a I can't tell if it's a joke or what, but then drops, and does reach back up, but she was already threatened in her own home, followed instructions mostly, side note at 1am I wouldn't be letting anyone in my home. Cops or not. But I still stand by she was trying not to die. I am sure she was aware of that cop, because the first one was more friendly, knocked lighter, and shooter shows up bangs door, gets accusatory and then threatens before she can even do anything with the pot he told her to remove from stove.

So an EDIT to above post.

I really did not want to watch the unblurred graphic video.

 

[Vic]

I'm going to reiterate the fact that once Grayson threatened Massey with deadly force, while he was inside her home without warrant or probable cause, the only person reasonably and legally authorized to act in self-defense was Massey. She could have dumped a whole pot of boiling water on him (which of course she didn't) and she would have been the one acting in self-defense.
While he had the legal duty to retreat. He gave up his right to self-defense when he chose to threaten a law-abiding citizen inside their own home while he was there without lawful authority.
So please, folks, shut up about the pot. It's as bad faith as when people were saying Fortson shouldn't have been lawfully carrying inside his own home. Or when that poor guy got gunned down while watching TV and eating ice cream on his couch because some cop was too stupid to check her apartment number.
That it is a right that we as law-abiding citizens should be safe and secure from the govt inside our own homes is one of the reasons we fought the British. And yes, that right includes black people too.

Edit: also a clarification on 1st degree murder. He said he was going to shoot her in the face. He then shot her in the face. That's pre-meditation. End of story.

 

[Amused]

I know I watched the original posted video multiple times, the pot did move, but she did not pop back up, because he fired as she tried to hit the floor.
Watched on monitor and 62" screen.
She CLEARLY went to the ground when he drew on her without a pot in hand, then shots are fired, the cop I beleive did not shoot, is who's cam footage shows the pot on the chair, there is no dispute that it CLEARLY shows, in the not so graphic version, that she dropped to the floor while pot was on the T section of a double wide sink.

Also, there is very reasonable doubt that the officers life was in danger by hot or boiling water.

My wife, thinks that maybe she thought the cop was the prowler, because BC1 footage shows him searching all around BEFORE EVEN attempting to contact the person that called them, and sounded annoyed for being called at all.

I usually agree with you, but it comes across like good shoot. From a pot of boiling water. I am sorry. He really fucking over reacted and caused PTSD to the person on scene with him.

Actually, I'm agreeing with you. He caused this. 100%. I am NOT calling this a good shoot.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Just watched again, and a good point to make is she never hung up with 911, during the whole incident.

Shooter told her to move pot so house don't burn down, then draws when she made a I can't tell if it's a joke or what, but then drops, and does reach back up, but she was already threatened in her own home, followed instructions mostly, side note at 1am I wouldn't be letting anyone in my home. Cops or not. But I still stand by she was trying not to die. I am sure she was aware of that cop, because the first one was more friendly, knocked lighter, and shooter shows up bangs door, gets accusatory and then threatens before she can even do anything with the pot he told her to remove from stove.

So an EDIT to above post.

I really did not want to watch the unblurred graphic video.

You know why I think it's an intentional kill? He told her to go into the probable cause room to deal with the pot rather than just telling her to stay on the couch and having his partner do it. He wanted her in the room full of knives and boiling stuff.

 

[cytg111]

You know why I think it's an intentional kill? He told her to go into the probable cause room to deal with the pot rather than just telling her to stay on the couch and having his partner do it. He wanted her in the room full of knives and boiling stuff.

Yea, plus he said he was gonna shoot her in the head seconds before shooting her in the head.

 

[DaaQ]

Actually, I'm agreeing with you. He caused this. 100%. I am NOT calling this a good shoot.

I appreciate this reply, I do not think that there is a reasonable doubt that she was a threat to him.

I actually think she was quite nervous of them being in her home, IIRC the call was placed an hour earlier if not more? Then the broken windows of the car made police more suspicious of her. IMO one of the first things I noticed was the 911 wanting to hang up and she did not want them to hang up the call with her.

You get to know which cops, depending on neighborhood or size of town are good or worm infected apples. I live in one. I completely trust our current Sheriff, the deputies, are kinda meh.

The STATE police in this area are extremely young, and I had an interaction with them the other day at the gas station. As follows, we have a newish bypass built about 7 yrs agoish, the intersection of this gas station has a blinking orange/ red light at it. I've lived here since 2007 and that intersection has been redesigned at minimum 4 times. Unfortunately the state only considers FATAL accidents and not total collisions whether to put a stop and go light, I'm talking Stop for red go for green, although there is one that was never there before this bypass existed next main intersection south.

Anyway point is, someone was hauling 2 pickup truck beds on a trailer and one fell off, blocking the left lane by more than half of the lane. I got to the blinking red intersection near gas station and seen the truck with a trailer with a pickup bed on it, and room for one more.
Long story short, I got out of my bucket truck, told the TWO state troopers there was a pickup bed blocking one lane, they were at the gas pumps. I went into store got my items waited in line, paid and got into my truck and left while these 2 bozo's were still shooting the shit at the pump. I have a 30 gallon tank that fills up faster than the time spent for 2 Dodge Chargers to fill up each if they were in line. (they weren't).

I waited and clocked out and took the long way out of the place and they still had no concern for a large object obstructing 3/4 of a lane in a 55 mph area.

/sorry for rant. Bolded main point.

EDIT: I think it was a mistake to allow city cops to work outside of the cities they reside in. At least years ago in MI you had to live in the city you were employed by. Pre John Engler days.

 

[UNCjigga]

Meanwhile, Trump decides now’s a great time to discuss providing federal blanket immunity for local police officers.

 

[HomerJS]

Meanwhile, Trump decides now’s a great time to discuss providing federal blanket immunity for local police officers.

Of course he does. So long as black people are being murdered.

 

[Stokely]

Sounds like an election talking point for former prosecutor Harris if he is.

I'll give Trump credit of a sort...unlike with anything else, when it comes to racist issues he's actually quite predictable.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Apparently, they didn't even begin to look into this guy's background.

With DUI-related ejection from Army, deputy who killed Massey should have raised flags, experts say​

Authorities say the Illinois sheriff’s deputy charged in the shooting death of Sonya Massey was kicked out of the Army for the first of two drunken driving convictions in which he had a weapon in his car.

 

[IronWing]

Meanwhile, Trump decides now’s a great time to discuss providing federal blanket immunity for local police officers.

That would make police officers literal outlaws. The only reasonable response would be to shoot them on sight before they shot you.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Long article, lots of history.

Past Employers Questioned Integrity and Conduct of Deputy Who Killed Sonya Massey

Sean Grayson, who fatally shot Sonya Massey in her home, left the Logan County Sheriff’s Office after supervisors suspected he lied on reports.

theintercept.com

 

[iRONic]

Yeah, no. I don't need a deeper dive into why this murdering piece of shit is still a murdering piece of shit.

 

[m8d]

 

[HomerJS]

Of course, Trump blames the woman while claiming he doesn't know anything about the case.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Of course, Trump blames the woman while claiming he doesn't know anything about the case.

Didn’t he also say at some point it “looked”bad not that is was bad. I can’t quite remember. Disgusting

 

[Zeze]

Of course, Trump blames the woman while claiming he doesn't know anything about the case.

You're gonna make me sound like a trump apologist. He did NOT blame her. He kept repeating "it looked bad, very bad" numerous times, conceding basically to court the black reporter audience.

These facking spin jobs, all because I actually watched something for once fully.

People already dislike Trump for good reasons, you don't need these garbage spin jobs that'll work against our case. Trump clearly distanced himself from the cop's murder in that appearance today, the whole video is just few clicks away FFS.

 

[APU_Fusion]

You're gonna make me sound like a trump apologist. He did NOT blame her. He kept repeating "it looked bad, very bad" numerous times, conceding basically to court the black reporter audience.

These facking spin jobs, all because I actually watched something for once fully.

You do you boo. You are not a never Trumper. He flat out said it looked bad. He is a presidential candidate with a history of racism. Maybe he should, you know, be careful with what he says.that was a terrible situation.

Let”s wait until the investigation is complete. My heart goes out to her family.

That is what a presidential candidate says. Keep trying to pretend that shitshow was awesome