You all think George Floyd was bad.. this is worse (Massey)

[iRONic]

Why the hell are we arguing over whether or not she may have begun to toss the pot towards the cop?

I'm not arguing I just threw out a guess.

* exits stage left

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Then how does it cross the room and wind up directly in front of the cop? Up and OVER the back of the chair it's sitting in?

Just before he shoots she comes back up and grabs the pot. The defense will show that too.

For all we know her body spasmed when she was shot in the face, not sure I care why a pot ended up anywhere when two cops shot a 120lb woman in her own home after she called them there.

 

[balloonshark]

If I were a cop with a brain, the last place I would send someone I was speaking with would be the kitchen. That's where all the pointy things are kept.

Once again, I have to ask, why didn't they use a taser, pepper spray, or a nightstick? If this damn country didn't have more guns than people, the cops wouldn't be on edge during every stop. The 2nd Amendment and those who mindlessly support it are also to blame for this murder.

 

[Amused]

For all we know her body spasmed when she was shot in the face, not sure I care why a pot ended up anywhere when two cops shot a 120lb woman in her own home after she called them there.

If she put the pot down, WHY was it back in her hands again?

AGAIN, he is wrong. But the fact that she threw the pot negates a 1st degree charge and any defense attorney will shred this case if they go with 1st degree murder.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If I were a cop with a brain, the last place I would send someone I was speaking with would be the kitchen. That's where all the pointy things are kept.

Once again, I have to ask, why didn't they use a taser, pepper spray, or a nightstick? If this damn country didn't have more guns than people, the cops wouldn't be on edge during every stop. The 2nd Amendment and those who mindlessly support it are also to blame for this murder.

That cop wasn't fearing for his life, he was standing in full view of a woman a foot shorter than him wearing a sheer dress. He wanted a reason to shoot someone in the face.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If she put the pot down, WHY was it back in her hands again?

AGAIN, he is wrong. But the fact that she threw the pot negates a 1st degree charge and any defense attorney will shred this case if they go with 1st degree murder.

Let me just put it this way, if I was on the jury, I don't care what the charge was, I'd hang the jury rather than let it slide on the definition.

 

[Amused]

Let me just put it this way, if I was on the jury, I don't care what the charge was, I'd hang the jury rather than let it slide on the definition.

That cop wasn't fearing for his life, he was standing in full view of a woman a foot shorter than him wearing a sheer dress. He wanted a reason to shoot someone in the face.

I agree. He could and should have backed off. Which is way I think 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charges are more than warranted here.

But the fact that she actually did throw the water fucks a 1st degree murder case. AND the fact that she threw the water yet the media is acting as if she did not throw it damages credibility.

And being hit with boiling water can disfigure you for life. The cop could and should have maintained his safety by backing off.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I agree. He could and should have backed off. Which is way I think 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charges are more than warranted here.

But the fact that she actually did throw the water fucks a 1st degree murder case. AND the fact that she threw the water yet the media is acting as if she did not throw it damages credibility.

And being hit with boiling water can disfigure you for life. The cop could and should have maintained his safety by backing off.

You are assuming she threw the water. We have zero proof of what she did because she was obscured, and we have to take the word of the person who shot her as to what he did. I would not, as a juror, be able to accept anything short of another camera angle as to what happened with that pot after she ducked down.

 

[Pens1566]

I agree. He could and should have backed off. Which is way I think 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charges are more than warranted here.

But the fact that she actually did throw the water fucks a 1st degree murder case. AND the fact that she threw the water yet the media is acting as if she did not throw it damages credibility.

And being hit with boiling water can disfigure you for life. The cop could and should have maintained his safety by backing off.

Facts not in evidence.

 

[Amused]

You are assuming she threw the water. We have zero proof of what she did because she was obscured, and we have to take the word of the person who shot her as to what he did. I would not, as a juror, be able to accept anything short of another camera angle as to what happened with that pot after she ducked down.

The pot crosses the room and ends up on a chair in front of the cop.

It's clear she threw it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The pot crosses the room and ends up on a chair in front of the cop.

It's clear she threw it.

A fuzzy object appeared under the arm of the cop on a chair on a shitty fisheye lens camera, for all I fucking know the cop behind that arm chucked something backwards to clear space for himself for a follow-up round or three. That is not definitive enough for me to create a scene of anything resembling self defense.

 

[Amused]

Facts not in evidence.

The pot that was NOT in her hands before she popped back up right before he fired just MAGICALLY flew across the room and over the back of a chair to rest just in front of the cop?

Facts more than in evidence.

 

[Amused]

A fuzzy object appeared under the arm of the cop on a chair, for all I fucking know the cop behind that arm chucked something backwards to clear space for himself for a follow-up round or three. That is not definitive enough for me to create a scene of anything resembling self defense.

You need to watch the video on a large screen. It's clearly the steaming pot. You can see the steam coming off of it.

Watch from 28:37 to 28:45.

 

[Pens1566]

The pot that was NOT in her hands before she popped back up right before he fired just MAGICALLY flew across the room and over the back of a chair to rest just in front of the cop?

Facts more than in evidence.

The CNS does some pretty strange things when it's severely damaged.

And you're relying on an obscured, grainy/blurred out video plus the statement of the shooter who has zero credibility based on his other actions/statements in and after the incident.

 

[HomerJS]

The pot crosses the room and ends up on a chair in front of the cop.

It's clear she threw it.

It is NOT clear since it happened in the blind spot. She may have placed it on the floor and then knocked it over on its side after being shot.

Remember she was NOT holding it when she ducked down. Taser would have been far more appropriate if they felt their lives were in danger. Also, no attempt to deescalate. Screaming and cursing someone is not the way to get cooperation.

 

[Amused]

It is NOT clear since it happened in the blind spot. She may have placed it on the floor and then knocked it over on its side after being shot.

Remember she was NOT holding it when she ducked down. Taser would have been far more appropriate if they felt their lives were in danger. Also, no attempt to deescalate. Screaming and cursing someone is not the way to get cooperation.

Right. She wasn't holding it when she ducked down. But then she popped back up and her hands go to the pot.

Suddenly there is a plume of steaming water on the floor directly in front of the cop AND the steaming pot is now on a chair across the room from where it was when she first ducked having CLEAREED the back of that chair to get there.

She threw the pot. Anyone who watches 28:30 to 28:45 will come to the same conclusion unless they make up magical bullshit to explain how the clearly steaming pot got across the room into the chair.

 

[Paratus]

If she put the pot down, WHY was it back in her hands again?

AGAIN, he is wrong. But the fact that she threw the pot negates a 1st degree charge and any defense attorney will shred this case if they go with 1st degree murder.

He directed her to the stove and the pot. Effectively he told her to pick up a weapon he was willing to kill her for as demonstrated by his actions.

At a minimum that’s criminally negligent homicide. 1st degree would likely require more evidence of premeditation.

 

[Amused]

The CNS does some pretty strange things when it's severely damaged.

And you're relying on an obscured, grainy/blurred out video plus the statement of the shooter who has zero credibility based on his other actions/statements in and after the incident.

It doesn't make you grab a pot that is now BEHIND you and throw it across the room.

 

[Amused]

He directed her to the stove and the pot. Effectively he told her to pick up a weapon he was willing to kill her for as demonstrated by his actions.

At a minimum that’s criminally negligent homicide. 1st degree would likely require more evidence of premeditation.

Agreed. It's 2nd degree or willful manslaughter. He's a fucking idiot.

 

[HomerJS]

Right. She wasn't holding it when she ducked down. But then she popped back up and her hands go to the pot.

Suddenly there is a plume of steaming water on the floor directly in front of the cop AND the steaming pot is now on a chair across the room from where it was when she first ducked having CLEAREED the back of that chair to get there.

She threw the pot. Anyone who watches 28:30 to 28:45 will come to the same conclusion unless they make up magical bullshit to explain how the clearly steaming pot got across the room into the chair.

Put a pot of water half full on your kitchen floor. Fall on it off center and see what happens.

 

[Muse]

Just think of what would have transpired without the stark truth of the bodycam evidence. Now think of all the people who died in this way before bodycams.

Why aren't they on all the time?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This thread is stuck in an amused loop.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

He directed her to the stove and the pot. Effectively he told her to pick up a weapon he was willing to kill her for as demonstrated by his actions.

At a minimum that’s criminally negligent homicide. 1st degree would likely require more evidence of premeditation.

Directing her to the room with the largest amount of probable cause sounds a lot like premeditation to me.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The deputy threatened to shoot her in the face right after he entered the kitchen. Even if she was impaired she was in her own dwelling. They should of handled it much differently but hind sight is 20/20.

Dude's body camera was off when it should've been on well before initial contact was made.

 

[HomerJS]

Police told family/hospital the wound was self inflicted per interview with the family.

Police lie about circumstances? I don’t need to see anymore, they are guilty. Now goal should be get maximum punishment. Hopefully there is an aggressive prosecutor.