yikes.. the iOS experience

[rudeguy]

What? You expect everyone to use only the applications that are factory installed on the phone? Bullshit. These phones, and the market, by definition, are designed to run applications that are not factory installed. LauncherPro and K9 are both *very* popular applications. For what it's worth, I was using the same apps, in the same configuration, on both phones (at least for a while, for comparison). Captivate sucked, Droid2 didn't.

Also, lag is a common complaint with the Captivate, from the people I've talked to in-real-life about it. I even talked to an AT&T rep that knows my phone preferences rather well, and he was surprised that I'm tolerating the Captivate crap. They just don't have anything better, or I wouldn't.

lol

ATT wants you to hate Android phones. They would much prefer you had an iPhone.

My point was simply that you are using the blanket statement that the Galaxy S is slower than they iPhone 4 because two third party apps aren't quick on your phone. I'm telling you that myself and a couple hundred (thousand?) folks over at XDA have first hand experience that says you are wrong. But then again...you had an ATT rep that knows your phone preference tell you that the Captivate is crap. That $12/hour cell phone monkey surely knows better than the thousands of us that love our Galaxy's and would pit them one on one vs an iPhone 4 any day.

 

[MrX8503]

Yes, I'm well aware that installing third-party software can negatively affect a phone's performance. Without third-party software, I can't get the things done that I need to do. What do you expect?

The galaxy S is supposed to be the fastest Android phone to date. I'm not sure what you're doing with it to slow it down so much. What I'm saying is that you're Launcher Pro is maybe at fault.

 

[coolVariable]

For what it's worth, my current full-time phone is an AT&T Captivate (Galaxy S). I've used a Droid X several times, and I've used prior-generation iPhones quite a few times. Never used an EVO. In my experience, the Galaxy S lags the most of all of them. I'm using LauncherPro as my home screen, and it almost always takes more than 1 second to draw the home screen when I switch to it from an app. God forbid I receive an email in K9... it takes 2-5 seconds to load K9. So yeah... I'm not terribly pleased with the Galaxy S.

I carried a Droid2 for a month - I got it and the Captivate at the same time. I installed the same apps on both of them (except for Trillian, which I can't install on the Captivate, because of AT&T's draconian policies). The Galaxy lags terribly, whereas I never got any lag - at all, ever, not even a single time - on the Droid2.

I know that the Droid2's GPU isn't spec'd comparably to the Galaxy S... what about it's other hardware? (I haven't looked it up recently... I'd memorized both of their specs immediately before buying them.) Why does (in my experience - I haven't read many comparisons between the D2 and DX or anything else) the D2 seem to fly, where everything else lags like hell? Is it really the Android 2.2 difference?

So you agreeing with my point that android software-wise is a total mess?
Who cares if the iPhone has a CPU that is 1/4th the speed of any other phone if the iPhone still is faster in responsiveness and apps?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Isn't LauncherPro supposed to be damn fast? It's quite fast even on an unoverclocked Droid1. However it's sad to see that stock Android can't really give a good homescreen experience (not to mention that it's not even smooth).

Glad to see that HTC and Samsung have made their own UIs fast enough at least.

 

[thescreensavers]

OP if you are on 2.1 or 2.2+ and are using a task killer then you do not know how android works.

Using a task manager on 2.1 and 2.2+ is waste of CPU cycles and battery.

 

[richierich1212]

GeekDrew, have you tried oneclick lag fix?

 

[Doboji]

Personally I dislike how slow, laggy, and ugly Android is. You see how this is all about preference? People like different things and people just need to accept that.

Agreed... it's just about what you prefer. I prefer Android... I don't find it slow, laggy or ugly. I find iOS boring, restrictive and ugly. Thus I use android.

/thread?

 

[rudeguy]

Agreed... it's just about what you prefer. I prefer Android... I don't find it slow, laggy or ugly. I find iOS boring, restrictive and ugly. Thus I use android.

/thread?

I <3 my Android but find myself wanting to buy an iPhone to tinker with. The problem is that even 3 year old iPhones are like $200.

Craziness

 

[zerocool84]

I hate Macs and am not a fan of Apple but the iPhone 4 (and the 3GS and 3G before it) simply is the best phone available right now.
The hardware is solid and fast and the software is refined and thought-through.
The only "negative" that I can think of is the use of itunes.
.

iPhone being the best phone is your opinion not fact. It is not the best phone. There is no best overall phone. There is give and take with every phone be it Android or iPhone. iPhone has a horrible notification system that needs overhaul. Even though Android's isn't the best (WebOS is), it's infinitely better than what's on the iPhone. Lack of wireless syncing also sucks really bad. Lack of any decent customization, having to use iTunes, Android devices giving you the option if you want a large screen, option to have a qwerty keyboard since some people obviously want it still, no easy battery replacement, have to use a case, etc etc. Every phone is a give and take of things.

 

[GeekDrew]

lol

ATT wants you to hate Android phones. They would much prefer you had an iPhone.

My point was simply that you are using the blanket statement that the Galaxy S is slower than they iPhone 4 because two third party apps aren't quick on your phone. I'm telling you that myself and a couple hundred (thousand?) folks over at XDA have first hand experience that says you are wrong. But then again...you had an ATT rep that knows your phone preference tell you that the Captivate is crap. That $12/hour cell phone monkey surely knows better than the thousands of us that love our Galaxy's and would pit them one on one vs an iPhone 4 any day.

Nowhere did I say that the Galaxy S is slower than the iPhone; if I implied that, read my words more literally. My "complaint" was intended to be more in agreement with you... the Captivate is one of the slowest phones I've used, there's no way it's faster than an iPhone (third party apps or no; I mentioned those as an off-topic comparison between the Captivate and the Droid2, which seems to fly no matter what I throw at it). I'm simply not interested in an iPhone... if I were, I'd be using one, simple as that. I want something running Android OS, and AT&T is the only carrier with an acceptable signal in my area, which is why I'm stuck with the Captivate.

And the comment about the cell phone rep is out of line. He's by far the most knowledgeable rep I've ever talked to, and he wasn't trying to sell me any other phone (I'd already been carrying the Captivate for about a month by that point).

 

[GeekDrew]

So you agreeing with my point that android software-wise is a total mess?

Yes, mostly, and I'm an Android fan.

 

[AMDZen]

Yes you can Jailbreak an iPhone... and then you can do SOME of the stuff that you can do on an Android phone without rooting. And alot of the stuff we really love... Widgets, homescreens, changing Launchers, etc... you can't do on an iPhone even when it's Jailbroken...

You just proved you have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing the iPhone can't do once jailbroken that an android phone can is change launchers. And yes, that is the only thing.

 

[slag]

I shouldn't have to jailbreak my phone to install an app (or listen to music) not given the blessing of the phone manufacturer's CEO (or found in the phone manufacturer's media store).

Yeah, you should. Its the same reason MS wants drivers digitally signed so they can control the software going to their OS.
Apple's take on software control where they control what goes into their store is a good thing.

By the way, you do not need to jailbreak your phone just to listen to music.

 

[coolVariable]

Yeah, you should. Its the same reason MS wants drivers digitally signed so they can control the software going to their OS.
Apple's take on software control where they control what goes into their store is a good thing.

By the way, you do not need to jailbreak your phone just to listen to music.

Please name ONE android phone that comes rooted.
Even the android jesus phone (the Nexus One) requires you to root to really do everything and THAT voids the warranty! At least jailbreaking the iPhone does not void the warranty, since you can always factory restore it. That is not possible with Android.

rooting = jailbreaking. It's as simple as that.

 

[rudeguy]

Please name ONE android phone that comes rooted.
Even the android jesus phone (the Nexus One) requires you to root to really do everything and THAT voids the warranty! At least jailbreaking the iPhone does not void the warranty, since you can always factory restore it. That is not possible with Android.

rooting = jailbreaking. It's as simple as that.

you can always put Android phones back to stock. Matter of fact...Odin just bonked letting me know that my phone is back to stock!

Time to flash again!

 

[pm]

I agree that jailbreaking = rooting - the act of jailbreaking does the exact same thing as rooting - it gives you root access.

I thought this was interesting - there's been an internet rumor for years that jailbreaking voids your warranty, but as near as I can tell, you are right, CoolVariable, and it doesn't appear that it really does.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3743

Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks the iOS. It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of the iOS is a violation of the iPhone end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software.

This seems to say that they won't service your phone if it's jailbroken but that if you restore to factory settings, they will. Or at least that's how I read it.

 

[QueBert]

Spare me the insults...
Yes you can Jailbreak an iPhone... and then you can do SOME of the stuff that you can do on an Android phone without rooting. And alot of the stuff we really love... Widgets, homescreens, changing Launchers, etc... you can't do on an iPhone even when it's Jailbroken...

Wait iOS doesn't have homescreens??? Outside of changing launchers all that is easily done on a jailbroken iOS device. And an FYI an Android device is limited to 7 homescreens, where I have 10 of them on my iPod Touch. I'm not sure what you think the screens are on an iOS device, but I can scroll thru them just like on my Android only I'm not limited to 7. As for the etc I don't know what you're talking about as ETC is pretty vague. I'm sure there are things you can do on the Android you can't on an iOS but it's a 2 way street.

Unlike most, I own both and to me both have pluses and minuses over the other. I'm on one or the other throughout the day. I spend at least 10 solid hours a week on each.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

you can always put Android phones back to stock. Matter of fact...Odin just bonked letting me know that my phone is back to stock!

Time to flash again!

rooting can be undone

but unlocking your bootloader? good luck relocking it.

 

[coolVariable]

you can always put Android phones back to stock. Matter of fact...Odin just bonked letting me know that my phone is back to stock!

Time to flash again!

Do your research ... and try again.

 

[rudeguy]

Do your research ... and try again.

oh wait...so you were issuing a blanket statement about a whole OS based on one or two models?

Makes sense to me

 

[zsdersw]

Yeah, you should. Its the same reason MS wants drivers digitally signed so they can control the software going to their OS.
Apple's take on software control where they control what goes into their store is a good thing.

No I shouldn't. Apps should be easy to install and easy to remove. Users of the apps should decide for themselves what a good app is, not have the phone manufacturer deciding on matters of content. Quality control is one thing, and if that's all that it was about I'd have less of a problem with it, but things like taste and subject matter should be entirely the purview of end-users.

Drivers in Microsoft OSs != apps on smartphones.

 

[QueBert]

No I shouldn't. Apps should be easy to install and easy to remove. Users of the apps should decide for themselves what a good app is, not have the phone manufacturer deciding on matters of content. Quality control is one thing, and if that's all that it was about I'd have less of a problem with it, but things like taste and subject matter should be entirely the purview of end-users.

Drivers in Microsoft OSs != apps on smartphones.

The typical phone person isn't that technically savvy, it's a good thing Apple screens apps as hard as they do. I was just looking for an App from the Marketplace, I found one that sounded perfect. the 1st 10 reviews gave it 1 star and said it didn't work at all and would cause their phone to reboot every time they ran it. While not all Apps in the App store are great quality, I've downloaded hundreds and never had one that made my iPhone reboot. These phones are being sold to people who aren't experts so the phones need to be treated as such. I hate spending half an hour looking for an app on Marketplace, they seriously need to rework the whole thing. Having it open is great and all, but when you can't find shit and the rating system is super flawed there's problems. I really really like my Moto Droid, I really really hate the Marketplace.

 

[zsdersw]

The typical phone person isn't that technically savvy, it's a good thing Apple screens apps as hard as they do. I was just looking for an App from the Marketplace, I found one that sounded perfect. the 1st 10 reviews gave it 1 star and said it didn't work at all and would cause their phone to reboot every time they ran it. While not all Apps in the App store are great quality, I've downloaded hundreds and never had one that made my iPhone reboot. These phones are being sold to people who aren't experts so the phones need to be treated as such. I hate spending half an hour looking for an app on Marketplace, they seriously need to rework the whole thing. Having it open is great and all, but when you can't find shit and the rating system is super flawed there's problems. I really really like my Moto Droid, I really really hate the Marketplace.

Personal computers were marketed to people who weren't very tech savvy, too, and the world didn't stop. On the contrary, people got smarter. So too will it be with smartphones.

 

[Doboji]

Wait iOS doesn't have homescreens??? Outside of changing launchers all that is easily done on a jailbroken iOS device. And an FYI an Android device is limited to 7 homescreens, where I have 10 of them on my iPod Touch. I'm not sure what you think the screens are on an iOS device, but I can scroll thru them just like on my Android only I'm not limited to 7. As for the etc I don't know what you're talking about as ETC is pretty vague. I'm sure there are things you can do on the Android you can't on an iOS but it's a 2 way street.

Unlike most, I own both and to me both have pluses and minuses over the other. I'm on one or the other throughout the day. I spend at least 10 solid hours a week on each.

Look I'm not trying to shoot iOS down... as I've said before iOS is a perfectly good operating system, and the iPhone is a perfectly good phone. However I prefer the Android operating systems open nature, and dynamic style to the iPhone's static interface.

As for your home screen comment. No sorry what you refer to as home screens on the iPhone are not Home screens. It's a tabbed application list. Which for example TouchWiz does offer... looks just like the iPhone tabbed menu... I prefer Launcher Pro's 3-D scrollable application menu myself. But if I get bored with it, I can always change it to something different.

You don't have that option on the iPhone... I see that as a negative.

Back to homescreens, I can drop all kinds of nifty widgets on each screen, you can't do that on an iPhone either.

Even more compelling in my opinion, is the open platform itself... I have dozens of different phones to choose from ranging from 3.1 inch teeny phones no massive 5inch behemoths... I have new options available every month... and most importantly I can choose any carrier I want.

To see what I mean, just do a google image search on iPhone screenshots... and then do the same thing with Android. The results... every iPhone screenshot is essentially the same... whereas you will probably struggle to find 2 different Android screenshots that look the same.

 

[AMDZen]

Look I'm not trying to shoot iOS down... as I've said before iOS is a perfectly good operating system, and the iPhone is a perfectly good phone. However I prefer the Android operating systems open nature, and dynamic style to the iPhone's static interface.

As for your home screen comment. No sorry what you refer to as home screens on the iPhone are not Home screens. It's a tabbed application list. Which for example TouchWiz does offer... looks just like the iPhone tabbed menu... I prefer Launcher Pro's 3-D scrollable application menu myself. But if I get bored with it, I can always change it to something different.

You don't have that option on the iPhone... I see that as a negative.

Back to homescreens, I can drop all kinds of nifty widgets on each screen, you can't do that on an iPhone either.

Even more compelling in my opinion, is the open platform itself... I have dozens of different phones to choose from ranging from 3.1 inch teeny phones no massive 5inch behemoths... I have new options available every month... and most importantly I can choose any carrier I want.

To see what I mean, just do a google image search on iPhone screenshots... and then do the same thing with Android. The results... every iPhone screenshot is essentially the same... whereas you will probably struggle to find 2 different Android screenshots that look the same.

No you look, you have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously have no clue about the iPhone modding scene and are completely clueless on the topic to which you are speaking about. So just stop.

No the iphone is not any more or less static then Android and you can mod it up as much as you want. I can search screen shots too, are you telling me that this lockscreen looks the same as this lockscreen? Or that this homescreen looks anything like this one? This took me litterally 2 minutes of just randomly getting screenshots.

You can add widgets to your home screen or lock screen, and move icons around or off the home page in any manner that you want. Can get apps like foldersinfolders that offer even more complex modding. How bout the android unlock screen for your iphone

Try spending a few minutes going through threads like this that is clearly modeled after HTC in this fourm to educate yourself.

I could make my iPhone look and act almost exactly like an android device if I wanted to. Sounds, colors, widgets, even the notifications.