yikes.. the iOS experience

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QueBert

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The argument both of you are having can be considered strengths or weaknesses depending on who you are talking to. The idea of many devices on many carriers as opposed to one device on one carrier. Yeah Apple and iOS probably won't get the same value as Android gets, but then again they have a unified platform which is easier to code for. So pros and cons.

Yeah you can customize, but is that what regular users want to do?

A regular user wants to customize 2 things, the wallpaper and their ring tone, #2 only if they like ring tones, which isn't everybody. I have came across quite a few Android owners who went "what the hell!" when I showed them how to drag a widget around and delete or add one. Most thought it was cool but I doubt they actually did anything with what I showed them. Nerds want to customize their phones, I spent most of today decompiling editing, recompiling and resigning APK files so I could make one tiny change to my Droid. That might be excessive even for nerd standards. The average person doesn't care squat about any serious customizing.
 

Kanalua

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In answer to your last question, it is impossible to brick the iPhone(?) - yes impossible. Unless something is wrong with the phone hardware wise, you can always restore it to its original factory settings. You have to use iTunes to restore but its very easy, you put it into DFU mode and restore the phone - done.
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Customization on the iPhone is easy as pie. Most of the work is done by other people and put on Cydia, if you get comfortable it is very easy to change things for yourself. If you know XML or HTML, it is VERY EASY
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Changing some of the things above like the key will change to a different calendar in that folder.

My brother and his wife have ip4's...he is always impressed with the mods on my phone (Samsung Vibrant)...I am going to forward him the links so he can jump on the modding bandwagon...

I just like that there is finally real competition which is breeding results

This.
 
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zerocool84

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A regular user wants to customize 2 things, the wallpaper and their ring tone, #2 only if they like ring tones, which isn't everybody. I have came across quite a few Android owners who went "what the hell!" when I showed them how to drag a widget around and delete or add one. Most thought it was cool but I doubt they actually did anything with what I showed them. Nerds want to customize their phones, I spent most of today decompiling editing, recompiling and resigning APK files so I could make one tiny change to my Droid. That might be excessive even for nerd standards. The average person doesn't care squat about any serious customizing.

Of course the average person doesn't know which is why we say the average person is dumb which is why they'll most likely get an iPhone. Even you said it.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Of course the average person doesn't know which is why we say the average person is dumb which is why they'll most likely get an iPhone. Even you said it.

No we're saying that an average person doesn't want things complicated. They want their phone to work without hassles.
 

tatteredpotato

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Umm if you can't use Android you got something else wrong with you.







The terminal emulator doesn't even ship with it by default.
 

coolVariable

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No we're saying that an average person doesn't want things complicated. They want their phone to work without hassles.

This. I like android but sadly the majority of the "features" is just buggy, not thought through or doesn't work.
If they could actually get 10% of the feature set to actually work without hassle, it would be a much better OS (and screw the custom modding)
 

QueBert

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This. I like android but sadly the majority of the "features" is just buggy, not thought through or doesn't work.
If they could actually get 10% of the feature set to actually work without hassle, it would be a much better OS (and screw the custom modding)

I'm curious what do you find buggy? I've had a D1 for a few months now but just a few weeks ago started to actually use it. So far I haven't encountered anything, not that I noticed any ways. Well except the when it syncs my contacts it'll take the nice high resolution picture I added, sync it to my googles contact and resync it back where it looks horrible. But according to Google this is not a bug, it's a feature and they have zero plans of fixing it. But outside of that I haven't noticed anything. BTW somebody who's employed by Google told me to fix the image problem I simply uncheck the sync contacts option and do all my contact adding/deleting on my phone manually. My actual phone though seems very stable even with me having modded the hell out of it.
 

tommo123

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It's not just that. Apple cares about user interface an experience. Which is whythey spent so much time to make everything feel so fluid. Yeah there are minuses about apple but when a company cares so much about that, that is why I love my iPhone.

i guess thats one of the divisors between apple/android users. maybe mac/pc to an extent.

i've never used an iphone 4, only a short time with a 3gs, but it seems lacking compared to android (IMO). the responsiveness is what was good about it (i'll ignore a mates rants about his 3gs after updating to iOS4 - think that was just the old hardware). i guess android will have shortcomings in the same way windows did compared to the macOS. same as games on an xbox vs a PC. easier to get more out of something if you only have to focus on 1 set of hardware.

personally i've been far happier with windows and it's responsiveness since they offloaded some bits to the GPU (even more so i'd imagine when i can be bothered to put an SSD in there), and i think it'll be similar with our phones as well.

i am curious as to how winmo7 feels though. looks an odd beast. might go into my local carphone warehouse and have a play with one when it's out here.
 

akugami

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Of course the average person doesn't know which is why we say the average person is dumb which is why they'll most likely get an iPhone. Even you said it.

I'm not the average person. I'm actually more tech oriented. Want a CCTV camera system installed? I can do that. Want your computer fixed? I'm not half bad at that. Ethernet wiring? No problem. Want electrical wiring done? I can do that too.

When I'm using a phone, and as cliched and stupid as it sounds, I just want it to work. I don't need a million customizations for it. I don't want to mess with it. It just needs to work and work as smoothly as possible. It's not because I'm dumb. It's because I just don't feel the need for micro-managing my phone to that point. It is not my primary computing device, though access to the ability to read Office files and stuff like VNC is extremely helpful. There are also some niche apps (language related) that are not available on Android.

I'd argue that a lot of tech oriented people are like me which is why you see a huge contingency of iPhone users on Anandtech. The smart phone is used as a secondary computing device to complement our primary computing device. We just want a phone that works as hassle free as possible. The iPhone was the first to do that and due to inertia we are still using an iPhone.
 

zsdersw

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Android is only really a "hassle" and occasionally doesn't "just work" when you get into modifying it.
 

QueBert

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And the iPhone once again tops JD Power's satisfaction rankings for the 4th time...

http://www.jdpower.com/Electronics/ratings/Wireless-Smartphone-Ratings-(Volume-2)/

That's only because iPhone owners are dumb stupid retards, Android is outselling iPhones right now, but the customer satisfaction isn't as high as Apples. I guess that means smart people don't like their phones as much, which is kind of ironic. Because every Phandroid will tell you how much better their Androids are, yet they don't have as high satisfaction rate? What gives? More users liking their phones more should automatically = higher satisfaction ranking.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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That's only because iPhone owners are dumb stupid retards, Android is outselling iPhones right now, but the customer satisfaction isn't as high as Apples. I guess that means smart people don't like their phones as much, which is kind of ironic. Because every Phandroid will tell you how much better their Androids are, yet they don't have as high satisfaction rate? What gives? More users liking their phones more should automatically = higher satisfaction ranking.

You're calling people who are as tech savvy as you dumb. Does that make sense? It's because regular users have bad experiences with android phones because it doesn't just work.
 

MrX8503

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That's only because iPhone owners are dumb stupid retards, Android is outselling iPhones right now, but the customer satisfaction isn't as high as Apples. I guess that means smart people don't like their phones as much, which is kind of ironic. Because every Phandroid will tell you how much better their Androids are, yet they don't have as high satisfaction rate? What gives? More users liking their phones more should automatically = higher satisfaction ranking.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. The satisfaction rate is probably an average, so it doesn't matter how many Android users there are.

High Satisfaction rate = Dumb users?

Maybe the phone is actually a great device.
 

QueBert

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I don't think you know what you're talking about. The satisfaction rate is probably an average, so it doesn't matter how many Android users there are.

High Satisfaction rate = Dumb users?

Maybe the phone is actually a great device.

But but but I've learned from this forum that all iPhone users are stupid retarded idiots and only like their phones because they're brainwashed. It's obvious nobody with half a brain would like the iPhone.

With that said the day the iPhone pops up on Verizon I'll be buying one :D
 

rudeguy

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That's only because iPhone owners are dumb stupid retards, Android is outselling iPhones right now, but the customer satisfaction isn't as high as Apples. I guess that means smart people don't like their phones as much, which is kind of ironic. Because every Phandroid will tell you how much better their Androids are, yet they don't have as high satisfaction rate? What gives? More users liking their phones more should automatically = higher satisfaction ranking.

link showing Android users not being as satisfied as iPhone users?
 

akugami

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Android is only really a "hassle" and occasionally doesn't "just work" when you get into modifying it.

But then you invalidate any and all arguments about how much better Android is because of the abilities to customize and tinker.
 

TheStu

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link showing Android users not being as satisfied as iPhone users?

The JDPower link, although it did not break out based on OSes, can allow some inferences. I mean HTC and Moto make other phones, but they are moving a lot of Android phones.
 
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That's only because iPhone owners are dumb stupid retards, Android is outselling iPhones right now, but the customer satisfaction isn't as high as Apples. I guess that means smart people don't like their phones as much, which is kind of ironic. Because every Phandroid will tell you how much better their Androids are, yet they don't have as high satisfaction rate? What gives? More users liking their phones more should automatically = higher satisfaction ranking.

Here's the thing. EVERY tech geek will tell you what they can do with Android so easily. Root, overclock, theme, flash custom ROMs, etc etc. It's all a pretty streamlined process. They will always point at iPhone and say you don't have this kind of power, but when you talk about out of the box experience, it's like night and day. I said this when the DROID came out.

You have to do a lot to the DROID to make it a good device. When people complain that 2.2's not that great, what's the first thing say here? I remember that thread. CM6? BB? SS? Etc. Ok, well have fun with the DROID2 and its locked bootloader.

For what iOS gives you, even if it's lacking stuff at the moment, it's already a quite complete package.

I think it's funny because Android is kinda like Windows back in the day. People skinned the crap out of Windows and it was seen as the power OS. You could launch a plethora of apps, and everything was made for it, and there's a huge modding community/tweaking community out there. You sacrifice things like stability, user experience that Mac OSX gives you for the compatibility and power of tweaking out there. In the case of phones though, I say it's a lot different because marketshare isn't as skewed so in fact iOS has better apps IMO, but Android is still rapidly catching up.

Also, like I said before, Android is the anti-iPhone. People who look down on the iPhone will rave about Android and tell you how good it is. They don't even care how good or bad Android is. Everyone was drooling about Android since 2 years ago and yet today it's not even that complete of a package to me that wows me. And do think people were drooling over the 2 year old Android experience that lacked so many things? The people who complain about the iPhone probably don't have one, and/or hate AT&T. It's pretty obvious. They get an Android because they don't want to settle on AT&T or "be like everyone else with their iPhones." That's just quite lame IMO. The way the US has structured exclusive phones with a few "superphones" per carrier has made it such that you separate classes of consumers across carriers.
 

zsdersw

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But then you invalidate any and all arguments about how much better Android is because of the abilities to customize and tinker.

Not really. For the people who don't want to bother with customizing and tinkering, Android works just fine. For the people who do want to customize and tinker, Android is a little better and a little simpler. Add that up and you get, on the whole, a better smartphone OS; it serves both the tinkering and non-tinkering sections of the market very well.

When I say a little better and a little simpler to "customize and tinker" I'm referring mainly to the fact that most Android phones don't have to be separated from a program like iTunes in order to install an app not found in the manufacturer's app store. Jailbreaking an iPhone 4 gets harder and harder with each little revision of iOS.
 
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rudeguy

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The JDPower link, although it did not break out based on OSes, can allow some inferences. I mean HTC and Moto make other phones, but they are moving a lot of Android phones.

Yes they do. They also make a lot of non-Android phones.

He made a blanket statement without any facts.
 

RiDE

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Of course the average person doesn't know which is why we say the average person is dumb which is why they'll most likely get an iPhone. Even you said it.

My friend just replaced his iphone 3g with an evo. He is definitely an "average person" so only wallpaper and ringtone change for him. He didn't want to be associated with the stigma of iphone users so he passed on getting another one. o_O LOL
 

rudeguy

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My friend just replaced his iphone 3g with an evo. He is definitely an "average person" so only wallpaper and ringtone change for him. He didn't want to be associated with the stigma of iphone users so he passed on getting another one. o_O LOL

there are a lot...at least 10 chicks in my call center using Android phones. None of them are nerd chicks. They are either soccer moms or ex-strippers.
 

QueBert

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link showing Android users not being as satisfied as iPhone users?

Huh? Is this some sort of trick question, JD Powers release customer satisfaction numbers and the iPhone had the highest customer satisfaction of any phone. But don't worry the study isn't valid because iPhone owners only like their phones so much because they're brain washed idiot fan boys. Where as if the Motorola Droid had been #1 on this list it would have been because Android's CLEARLY better than an iPhone.

Either way iPhone loses here.