Yet another negative from illegal crimmigrants

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw calling them illegal crimmigrants and posting articles like that is is just petty.

It is not petty at all. It is the truth. They are ILLEGAL. The first thing they did when they stepped on the ground in this country is break it's laws and they continue to break it's laws on a daily basis. Your just pissed at all the talk because your dad stole his way into this country and citizenship.

hmmm.....

You are correct.
You are very correct.
They came here illegally.
I would argue why but most people won't listen.
they think the world "is perfect" and that everything comes in a neat little package.

I would listen but I still would not care. I would not care if the government of the country your parents came from was raping the women and gouging the eyes out of all the men. I wouldn't care if they were selling babies into slavery. It is not my, nor my country's, problem. There is no reason my country and taxes from LEGAL citizens should pay to support ILLEGAL immigrants. People like your family come here and use the system to their advantage, pop out a kid to gain anchor baby rights, and worm their way into citizenship. You are part of the problem.

And in my opinion, I would say your perspective is part of the problem.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
While I agree that secure borders are indeed important, I would never advocate giving patrollers the right to kill someone for simply trying to enter the country.

In my mind border security is primarily a concern for the United States Deparment of Defense, and therefore for the US Military. If we let people cross at-will, in what sense do we have a border?

I believe that we need active military patrols along the border. They can fire warning shots if they wish, but no one is to cross the border.

makes perfect sense.

the main issue of contention is whether or not the immigration system will be fair thereafter to those who want to immigrate here

Doesn't matter if it is fair in the eyes of the immigrants. It has been an open oozing sore for so long it is time for our government to actually pay attention to the actual citizens of the country first. If the people from other countries don't like the rules or the quotas...so what? You talk about fair all the while expecting true US citizens to take it up the backside so immigrants can have their way. That BS needs to stop.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw calling them illegal crimmigrants and posting articles like that is is just petty.

It is not petty at all. It is the truth. They are ILLEGAL. The first thing they did when they stepped on the ground in this country is break it's laws and they continue to break it's laws on a daily basis. Your just pissed at all the talk because your dad stole his way into this country and citizenship.

hmmm.....

You are correct.
You are very correct.
They came here illegally.
I would argue why but most people won't listen.
they think the world "is perfect" and that everything comes in a neat little package.

I would listen but I still would not care. I would not care if the government of the country your parents came from was raping the women and gouging the eyes out of all the men. I wouldn't care if they were selling babies into slavery. It is not my, nor my country's, problem. There is no reason my country and taxes from LEGAL citizens should pay to support ILLEGAL immigrants. People like your family come here and use the system to their advantage, pop out a kid to gain anchor baby rights, and worm their way into citizenship. You are part of the problem.

how can I argue with that.

I sit here, someone who cares dearly for his home, who wants to right the wrongs, who want to help his home remain the pinnacle of human existence for eternity....and you choose to silence me.

by law I am an American.
no tells me that I should love my county, only that I should obey its laws,.....


but I do. I love it so.



Sorry you hate me


bye.

 

[michaels]

Illegal immigration supporters..how would you feel if people kept sneaking across your fence and breaking into your home, eating out of your fridge, taking money from your piggy bank?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw calling them illegal crimmigrants and posting articles like that is is just petty.

It is not petty at all. It is the truth. They are ILLEGAL. The first thing they did when they stepped on the ground in this country is break it's laws and they continue to break it's laws on a daily basis. Your just pissed at all the talk because your dad stole his way into this country and citizenship.

hmmm.....

You are correct.
You are very correct.
They came here illegally.
I would argue why but most people won't listen.
they think the world "is perfect" and that everything comes in a neat little package.

I would listen but I still would not care. I would not care if the government of the country your parents came from was raping the women and gouging the eyes out of all the men. I wouldn't care if they were selling babies into slavery. It is not my, nor my country's, problem. There is no reason my country and taxes from LEGAL citizens should pay to support ILLEGAL immigrants. People like your family come here and use the system to their advantage, pop out a kid to gain anchor baby rights, and worm their way into citizenship. You are part of the problem.

And in my opinion, I would say your perspective is part of the problem.

It is a pretty sad world when the people who spend their lives making sure they don't have any major problems through hard work, planning, sacrifice, and FOLLOWING THE RULES/LAWS are expected to pay for and remedy the problems of everyone esle too....and then are called part of the problem. You liberals crack me up.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
makes perfect sense.

the main issue of contention is whether or not the immigration system will be fair thereafter to those who want to immigrate here

You're right, it should be fair. If it isn't that's an issue, but it is *not* an excuse for people to come here illegally. Non-Americans have zero right to cross our borders illegally. Zero.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw calling them illegal crimmigrants and posting articles like that is is just petty.

It is not petty at all. It is the truth. They are ILLEGAL. The first thing they did when they stepped on the ground in this country is break it's laws and they continue to break it's laws on a daily basis. Your just pissed at all the talk because your dad stole his way into this country and citizenship.

hmmm.....

You are correct.
You are very correct.
They came here illegally.
I would argue why but most people won't listen.
they think the world "is perfect" and that everything comes in a neat little package.

I would listen but I still would not care. I would not care if the government of the country your parents came from was raping the women and gouging the eyes out of all the men. I wouldn't care if they were selling babies into slavery. It is not my, nor my country's, problem. There is no reason my country and taxes from LEGAL citizens should pay to support ILLEGAL immigrants. People like your family come here and use the system to their advantage, pop out a kid to gain anchor baby rights, and worm their way into citizenship. You are part of the problem.

how can I argue with that.

I sit here, someone who cares dearly for his home, who wants to right the wrongs, who want to help his home remain the pinnacle of human existence for eternity....and you choose to silence me.

by law I am an American.
no tells me that I should love my county, only that I should obey its laws,.....


but I do. I love it so.



Sorry you hate me


bye.

Don't worry dude....I don't hate you, not even close. None of this is your fault. I understand how you feel and according to current laws you are a citizen and that is fine by me but the law needs to be changed to stop the anchor baby loophole. Swimming to this side of the river and popping out a kid on US soil, paid for by US citizens, should not buy someone into this country with a means to stay here.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: michaels
Goose why do you think that people should be able to sneak across the border at 9 months and then that child be legal? Come on man, you know that is not right.

They would simply state that the two are in no way parallel and avoid the issue altogether, oh and call you a racist too.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw calling them illegal crimmigrants and posting articles like that is is just petty.

It is not petty at all. It is the truth. They are ILLEGAL. The first thing they did when they stepped on the ground in this country is break it's laws and they continue to break it's laws on a daily basis. Your just pissed at all the talk because your dad stole his way into this country and citizenship.

hmmm.....

You are correct.
You are very correct.
They came here illegally.
I would argue why but most people won't listen.
they think the world "is perfect" and that everything comes in a neat little package.

I would listen but I still would not care. I would not care if the government of the country your parents came from was raping the women and gouging the eyes out of all the men. I wouldn't care if they were selling babies into slavery. It is not my, nor my country's, problem. There is no reason my country and taxes from LEGAL citizens should pay to support ILLEGAL immigrants. People like your family come here and use the system to their advantage, pop out a kid to gain anchor baby rights, and worm their way into citizenship. You are part of the problem.

And in my opinion, I would say your perspective is part of the problem.

It is a pretty sad world when the people who spend their lives making sure they don't have any major problems through hard work, planning, sacrifice, and FOLLOWING THE RULES/LAWS are expected to pay for and remedy the problems of everyone esle too....and then are called part of the problem. You liberals crack me up.

I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

 

[michaels]

Yeah it's nothing against you Goose, you were not a factor in this. But the law needs to change asap.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Whisper
I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

Here's my issue with that. It's fine if it's one or two people. What if a thousand want to come here? What if a million want to come here? What about a billion? Exactly how many people is "enough"? Should we, given the right world conditions, allow every other person in the world to come here in that manner? If not, what's the cut off?

 

[BoomerD]

Agreed...nothing personal against YOU, j ust against the whole concept of "anchor babies" ...

IMO, it's not OUR job to provide for the citizens of Mexico, Guatemala, China, Ireland, or any other country...that responsibiliey falls on the shoulders of the government of their country...

 

[KMurphy]

:music:La cucaracha, la cucaracha
Ya no puede caminar
Porque no tiene, porque le falta
La patita principal. :music:

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Whisper
I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

Sorry to inform you but the vast majority of the world is a craphole compared to the US so most coming here could claim being sent back to unimaginable circumstances. If you want to support the problem and pay for it be my guest. That is what charities are set up for and they can then support the amount of people the donations allow for but it is not acceptable for our government to take our tax money and then turn their backs on us so they can buy more votes all the while making laws PREVENTING legal citizens from being able to follow the current laws regarding illegal immigrants. These cowards won't just open up the borders but they sure as hell will tie the hands of legal citizens from enforcing the laws already on the books. The Hill is full of cowards these days.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

Here's my issue with that. It's fine if it's one or two people. What if a thousand want to come here? What if a million want to come here? What about a billion? Exactly how many people is "enough"? Should we, given the right world conditions, allow every other person in the world to come here in that manner? If not, what's the cut off?

And you have a valid point. Humanitarianism is great, but there are also logistical concerns that go with protecting and ensuring the future prosperity and security of our country, yes.

As for an answer to your question, I honestly don't have one. I dislike selfish and inconsiderate people as much as the next guy, but in the end I still see them as just that--people.

Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

In terms of the illegal immigration from Mexico issue, I wouldn't have any qualms with putting up a fence along the entire length of the Mexico/US border. But I would have issue with physically harming people attempting to cross it, as well as with automatically seeing these individuals as somehow lesser than myself.

And I guess that's my real issue with many anti-illegal immigration law proponents. It's not a fundamental disagreement on the problem at hand, but on the mindset of many who simply fail to take the time to consider that illegal immigrants are still, in fact, people.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Whisper
Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

This is where we disagree. To me, the government has no place handing out charity. That is the job of the individual people that live in the US.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

Here's my issue with that. It's fine if it's one or two people. What if a thousand want to come here? What if a million want to come here? What about a billion? Exactly how many people is "enough"? Should we, given the right world conditions, allow every other person in the world to come here in that manner? If not, what's the cut off?

And you have a valid point. Humanitarianism is great, but there are also logistical concerns that go with protecting and ensuring the future prosperity and security of our country, yes.

As for an answer to your question, I honestly don't have one. I dislike selfish and inconsiderate people as much as the next guy, but in the end I still see them as just that--people.

Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

In terms of the illegal immigration from Mexico issue, I wouldn't have any qualms with putting up a fence along the entire length of the Mexico/US border. But I would have issue with physically harming people attempting to cross it, as well as with automatically seeing these individuals as somehow lesser than myself.

And I guess that's my real issue with many anti-illegal immigration law proponents. It's not a fundamental disagreement on the problem at hand, but on the mindset of many who simply fail to take the time to consider that illegal immigrants are still, in fact, people.

If you aren't willing to use physical force to stop them, then what good is the fence? They ignore the border as it is, and if you build a 15' fence with no penalties for crossing it, they'll just start renting 18' ladders...

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

This is where we disagree. To me, the government has no place handing out charity. That is the job of the individual people that live in the US.

Then I will simply and respectfully have to agree to disagree with you.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

Here's my issue with that. It's fine if it's one or two people. What if a thousand want to come here? What if a million want to come here? What about a billion? Exactly how many people is "enough"? Should we, given the right world conditions, allow every other person in the world to come here in that manner? If not, what's the cut off?

And you have a valid point. Humanitarianism is great, but there are also logistical concerns that go with protecting and ensuring the future prosperity and security of our country, yes.

As for an answer to your question, I honestly don't have one. I dislike selfish and inconsiderate people as much as the next guy, but in the end I still see them as just that--people.

Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

In terms of the illegal immigration from Mexico issue, I wouldn't have any qualms with putting up a fence along the entire length of the Mexico/US border. But I would have issue with physically harming people attempting to cross it, as well as with automatically seeing these individuals as somehow lesser than myself.

And I guess that's my real issue with many anti-illegal immigration law proponents. It's not a fundamental disagreement on the problem at hand, but on the mindset of many who simply fail to take the time to consider that illegal immigrants are still, in fact, people.

If you aren't willing to use physical force to stop them, then what good is the fence? They ignore the border as it is, and if you build a 15' fence with no penalties for crossing it, they'll just start renting 18' ladders...

If by physical force you mean apprehending, detaining, and deporting the individuals, then I have no qualms with that. But if by physical force you mean actually harming the people attempting to cross, then I'd be against it.

 

[BoomerD]

I'd support the concept of helping Mexico and other countries develop some kind of jobs to keep their people home, especially if we use their money...Mexico has a thriving oil economy...as well as a great tourist economy...they can afford to fuhd their own economic expansion, or at least help pay for it.
THAT would be cheaper in the long run than the huge costs the illegals are causing this country. look at all the hospitals who have had to close their emergency rooms because they are swamped with people who can't/won't pay...and we wonder why medical costs are thru the roof...they charge those of us who CAN pay double or triple so they can make something back on the ones who they can't collect from...

 

[jinduy]

im telling you guys... send all the immigrants we round up to iraq

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

This is where we disagree. To me, the government has no place handing out charity. That is the job of the individual people that live in the US.

Then I will simply and respectfully have to agree to disagree with you.

As a taxpayer, I disagree with you. I don't want my taxes becoming handouts for other countries.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'd support the concept of helping Mexico and other countries develop some kind of jobs to keep their people home, especially if we use their money...Mexico has a thriving oil economy...as well as a great tourist economy...they can afford to fuhd their own economic expansion, or at least help pay for it.
THAT would be cheaper in the long run than the huge costs the illegals are causing this country. look at all the hospitals who have had to close their emergency rooms because they are swamped with people who can't/won't pay...and we wonder why medical costs are thru the roof...they charge those of us who CAN pay double or triple so they can make something back on the ones who they can't collect from...

Agreed. These types of educational-ish programs are definitely something I would support.

As for emergency rooms closing, a bigger "problem" than illegal immigrants is the fact that many legal immigrants and ethnic minorities use emergency rooms as a source of primary medical care, thus greatly burdening both themselves and the resources of the hospitals involved.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Whisper
Can the United States help everyone? No, and it shouldn't be expected to. But as a world superpower, I do feel we have a responsibility to help those countries less fortunate than our own.

This is where we disagree. To me, the government has no place handing out charity. That is the job of the individual people that live in the US.

Then I will simply and respectfully have to agree to disagree with you.

As a taxpayer, I disagree with you. I don't want my taxes becoming handouts for other countries.

Again, that's your opinion, and one with which I disagree. I wouldn't simply send over blank checks and tell countries to spend it however they'd like, but I do feel that the government should play a role in helping underdeveloped nations better plan and develop their economies and overall social infrastructure.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Whisper


I feel it's the moral obligation of individuals to help support those less fortunate than themselves, yes. Do I feel they should be made to do so in all respects? No. Do I support illegal immigration? No. But I also don't support the view that if someone is attempting to escape a country in which conditions are as you've described, they should be sent back in order to save me some money.

I think you should contain your own political views to yourself. If you choose to help those less fortunate than yourself, I fully support your decision to help them. I will not attempt to tell you what to do with your own money.

But you have no place telling others what they should do with their money. Make no mistake about it, I am not obligated to support your political views.