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kylebisme

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I have no doubt that Pakistan is helping the Iranians considering the deep hatred the Pakistani military has of America right now. They may just say "Fuck it" and give them a fully functioning bomb. Perhaps they already have and the Iranians are reverse-engineering it...
Or perhaps Iranians aren't even really interested in nuclear weapons, but want to switch to nuclear power as soon as possible so they can make mad cash off selling the rest of their oil as prices continue to go up, and simply don't like being bullied by people who think they have the right to stipulate what others can and can't do.
 

cybrsage

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Or perhaps Iranians aren't even really interested in nuclear weapons, but want to switch to nuclear power as soon as possible so they can make mad cash off selling the rest of their oil as prices continue to go up, and simply don't like being bullied by people who think they have the right to stipulate what others can and can't do.

If this was the case, why did they not accept allowing Russia to process the uranium for them? No sanctions and lots of nuclear power.

After having nuclear power for a while, they could then start processing their own uranium and no one would care. They played nice and showed they were good people.
 

Broheim

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I can't believe it's okay to support terrorism on this forum. You're as bad as the Taliban--maybe worse. It's about time the American army starts using drones in their own country against people like you. If they can't do it themselves, maybe we should help them. A few anthrax attacks should take care of it.

not an american, but you're more than welcome to swing by Denmark... I killed your kind in Afghanistan for shits and giggles, do you think I'd have a problem doing it in my own back yard?

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Shyatic

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I have no doubt that Pakistan is helping the Iranians considering the deep hatred the Pakistani military has of America right now. They may just say "Fuck it" and give them a fully functioning bomb. Perhaps they already have and the Iranians are reverse-engineering it...

Then you are no doubt uneducated as well.

I'm Pakistani, by background not birth, and I can tell you a fact that Sunni Pakistanis would rather help India than help Shiites, because they both don't consider each other "True Muslims."

Thankfully I'm atheist so it's irrelevant to me.
 

nageov3t

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I always got the feeling like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Pakistan were all trying to compete for hegemony over the region.
 

JEDIYoda

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Or perhaps Iranians aren't even really interested in nuclear weapons, but want to switch to nuclear power as soon as possible so they can make mad cash off selling the rest of their oil as prices continue to go up, and simply don't like being bullied by people who think they have the right to stipulate what others can and can't do.

Still apologizing for your Iranian brothers.......knowing full well they are very interested in a nuclear weapon!!
 

Shyatic

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If this was the case, why did they not accept allowing Russia to process the uranium for them? No sanctions and lots of nuclear power.

After having nuclear power for a while, they could then start processing their own uranium and no one would care. They played nice and showed they were good people.

Iranians are a very nationalistic people (moreso than people in the US about the US), and they take *pride* in being able to do things on their own. It's why they are the most educated, progressive, and forward thinking Muslim nation. Granted, that's not a high perch to be a part of, but nonetheless it's something :)

As for the targetted killing of the scientist well; right now Iran isn't doing anything illegal. Even Leon Panetta stated they aren't building a weapon, but are building a "nuclear capability," and they are allowed to do that. I don't think it's reason for war, but definitely a good reason to start negotiations to limit and control what might come of it all.

Granted, look at Pakistan -- India would fuck with them constantly, and now that they've got a nuke (and a LOT more crazy people than Iran does by a LONGSHOT), they are taken seriously and still have managed not to use their nukes against India. So the idea that Iran would get nukes and then bomb Israel is ridiculous, but of course that's what every moron on TV wants you to believe. There's big money in war, and especially in places that are sitting on the largest amount of oil and natural gas in the world.
 

JEDIYoda

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Iranians are a very nationalistic people (moreso than people in the US about the US), and they take *pride* in being able to do things on their own. It's why they are the most educated, progressive, and forward thinking Muslim nation. Granted, that's not a high perch to be a part of, but nonetheless it's something :)

As for the targetted killing of the scientist well; right now Iran isn't doing anything illegal. Even Leon Panetta stated they aren't building a weapon, but are building a "nuclear capability," and they are allowed to do that. I don't think it's reason for war, but definitely a good reason to start negotiations to limit and control what might come of it all.

Granted, look at Pakistan -- India would fuck with them constantly, and now that they've got a nuke (and a LOT more crazy people than Iran does by a LONGSHOT), they are taken seriously and still have managed not to use their nukes against India. So the idea that Iran would get nukes and then bomb Israel is ridiculous, but of course that's what every moron on TV wants you to believe. There's big money in war, and especially in places that are sitting on the largest amount of oil and natural gas in the world.


You have to admit though -- MOSSAD is good!!! How did they do that??? hmmmm
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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*sigh

TEHRAN — Iran's official news agency says gunmen in Syria have kidnapped five Iranian engineers building a power plant in a central region of the country roiled by political unrest.

Wednesday's report quotes a statement from Iran's embassy in Damascus as saying that the engineers were seized Tuesday morning on their way to work in the city of Homs.

The statement says Iranian authorities have asked the Syrian government to identify the assailants and get the engineers released.

Syria has been Iran's closest ally in the Arab world for three decades.

The nine-month-old uprising in Syria has left President Bashar Assad with few international allies — with the vital exception of Iran, which the US and other nations say is helping drive the deadly crackdown on dissent.

RIYADH (AFP) — Gulf Arab states on Tuesday urged Syria's government to immediately halt its "killing machine", and called on arch rival Iran to stop interfering in their internal affairs.

The six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council also pledged to implement comprehensive reforms and strengthen economic and military integration as a first step towards forming a union.

In a statement issued at the end of their annual summit, held in Riyadh against the backdrop of the Arab uprisings, the GCC members called on Syria to "immediately halt its killing machine".

They appealed for Damascus to "put an end to bloodshed, lift all signs of armed conflict and release prisoners, as a first step towards implementing the [Arab] protocol".

Syria signed the accord with the Arab League on Monday after weeks of prevarication in the hope the 22-member bloc will lift sweeping sanctions against the regime.

"If there was goodwill when the protocol was signed, then these steps must be immediately taken," said Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al Faisal, adding the initiative was "proposed to prevent a civil war".

Despite the accord, at least 100 mutinous troops were killed or wounded on Tuesday, a day after up to 70 deserters were gunned down while trying to flee their posts, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

More than 5,000 people have been killed in the Syrian regime's nine-month crackdown on dissent, the United Nations estimated on December 12.

In its concluding statement, the Gulf Cooperation Council also called on Iran to stop meddling in the internal affairs of the group's members.

"Stop these policies and practices... and stop interfering in the internal affairs" of Gulf nations, it said, expressing concern over Tehran's attempts to "instigate sectarian strife".

The Gulf states also called on their Shiite neighbour to "fully cooperate" with the International Atomic Energy Agency, adding GCC members were committed to a Middle East "free of weapons of mass destruction".

The West fears Iran's nuclear programme masks a push to develop an atomic weapons capability, a charge Tehran denies.

Saudi-Iranian relations have deteriorated since 1,000 Gulf troops entered Bahrain to help the Sunni monarchy crush Shiite-led democracy protests in February and March.

BEIRUT (Reuters) — Nearly 50 people were killed in Syria on Tuesday, an activist group said, two days before Arab League officials were due to arrive to prepare for a monitoring mission assessing Syrian compliance with a plan to stem the bloodshed.

The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 23 people were killed in fighting with President Bashar Assad's forces in the northern province of Idlib and 14 members of his security forces died in a rebel ambush in the south.

The overall death toll on Tuesday was at least 47, it said.

Idlib, on Syria's northern border with Turkey, has seen fierce fighting recently.

The observatory reported that security forces machine-gunned soldiers deserting their army base there on Monday, killing more than 60, and said rebels had damaged or destroyed 17 military vehicles since Sunday.

The state news agency SANA said security forces killed five "terrorists" in Daraa province on Monday night.

It also said Assad had decreed the death penalty for anyone caught distributing arms "with the aim of committing terrorist acts".

Arab League Secretary General Nabil Al Arabi told Reuters in Cairo that an advance team would go to Syria on Thursday, with the 150 monitors due to arrive by end-December.
http://jordantimes.com/dozens-killed-in-syria-as-arab-peace-team-due

So please guys point the fingers in the right direction.
 

kylebisme

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If this was the case, why did they not accept allowing Russia to process the uranium for them?
One good reason would be because it's better to learn how to fish for yourself that be reliant on having to get fish from others.
 

bobdole369

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Which facility? Iran has multiple nuclear facilities, all of them at least ostensibly used for research and development of peaceful applications of nuclear energy, and at least none that I know of with proven involvement in weapons programs. So I'm left to wonder, which "fucking facility" do you have your eye on specifically, or are you just happy to go along with whatever destruction "the big daddies" choose to reap?

The hidden one:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-08/iran-enriching-uranium/52455626/1

And this Fordo:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/94361-fordo-enrichment-facility-safe-from-attack-nuclear-chief

Note that I'm not happy to go along with this destruction willy-nilly. If you read my entire post I am very much against anybody blowing anybody up. I am also against anybody gaining nuclear capability. In this case I think the end justifies the means, not the destruction itself but preventing any more countries from gaining nuclear capability.

I was just saying if you are going to do something like this, stop pussyfooting around and just commit already.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Iranians are a very nationalistic people (moreso than people in the US about the US), and they take *pride* in being able to do things on their own. It's why they are the most educated, progressive, and forward thinking Muslim nation. Granted, that's not a high perch to be a part of, but nonetheless it's something :)

As for the targetted killing of the scientist well; right now Iran isn't doing anything illegal. Even Leon Panetta stated they aren't building a weapon, but are building a "nuclear capability," and they are allowed to do that. I don't think it's reason for war, but definitely a good reason to start negotiations to limit and control what might come of it all.

Granted, look at Pakistan -- India would fuck with them constantly, and now that they've got a nuke (and a LOT more crazy people than Iran does by a LONGSHOT), they are taken seriously and still have managed not to use their nukes against India. So the idea that Iran would get nukes and then bomb Israel is ridiculous, but of course that's what every moron on TV wants you to believe. There's big money in war, and especially in places that are sitting on the largest amount of oil and natural gas in the world.

No their not. They are brain washed with a religion where contact to the outside world is cut off. Islamic law does not allow you to do your own thing.
What is Islam not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAQ3yDaSoS4

I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. The following are the Islamic message to the West.

To the infidels of the West:

The Constitution for the new Islamic Republics of EuroArabia and AmerIslamia is under construction.

We will fight the infidel to death.

- Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
- Democrats and Leftist will support us.
- N.G.O.s will legitimize us.
- C.A.I.R. will incubate us.
- The A.C.L.U. will empower us.
- Western Universities will educate us.
- Mosques will shelter us
- O.P.E.C. will finance us
- Hollywood will love us.
- Kofi Annan and most of the United Nations will cover our asses.


Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?

We are the “sleeper cells”.

We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”,

Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.

You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

On the camera:

- We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”
- We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”
- Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the
West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
- Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.
- Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
- We will increase in number. We will double again.

You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels to watch. They will surrender - ISLAM means surrender.

We will use your own values of kindness against you.

You are destined to loose.

Must be very depressing for you. Isn’t it?
 

the DRIZZLE

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Or perhaps Iranians aren't even really interested in nuclear weapons, but want to switch to nuclear power as soon as possible so they can make mad cash off selling the rest of their oil as prices continue to go up, and simply don't like being bullied by people who think they have the right to stipulate what others can and can't do.

They probably flare off enough NG at their oil wells to power the whole country. They shouldn't signed the NPT if they didn't want to allow other countries to tell them what to do. They also shouldn't wage proxy wars against stronger nations if they don't want trouble.
 

Dari

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Then you are no doubt uneducated as well.

I'm Pakistani, by background not birth, and I can tell you a fact that Sunni Pakistanis would rather help India than help Shiites, because they both don't consider each other "True Muslims."

Thankfully I'm atheist so it's irrelevant to me.

You may be right about the religious animosity between the two groups, but you are certainly wrong about the political hatred Pakistan has towards India compared to Iran.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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If this was the case, why did they not accept allowing Russia to process the uranium for them? No sanctions and lots of nuclear power.

After having nuclear power for a while, they could then start processing their own uranium and no one would care. They played nice and showed they were good people.

This is why

The Rise of the Islamist Axis
Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST Apr. 6, 2006

On Monday, Russia’s Novaya Gazeta newspaper reported that part of Ukraine’s Soviet-era nuclear arsenal may well have found its way to Iran. With the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainians agreed to transfer the Soviet nuclear arsenal that remained in Ukraine after its independence to Russia. According to Novaya Gazeta, some 250 nuclear warheads never made it to Russia and are thought to have been sent to Iran instead. The report further noted that the warheads will remain operational until 2010. Responding to the report, Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, Russia’s deputy defense minister and the chief of General Staff, said, “Russia’s General Staff has no information about whether Ukraine has given 250 nuclear warheads to Iran or not.”

It is impossible to assess the accuracy of the report. The Ukrainian government has dismissed its allegations. Russia may well have invented the story to shift media attention away from the growing awareness that Russian support for Teheran, Damascus and Hamas effectively places it in the enemy camp in the US-led war against global jihad. But whether this particular report is true or false, there is no doubt that the danger to Israel and the rest of the Western world emanating from Iran and its allies is growing by the day. In recent testimony before the US Congress, John Negroponte, director of National Intelligence, said that the danger that Teheran “will acquire a nuclear weapon and the ability to integrate it with ballistic missiles that Iran already possesses” is a cause “for immediate concern.”

Also this week, as the Web site Regimechangeiran noted, the American Foreign Policy Council published a report quoting Western intelligence sources as asserting that Iran is in the process of assembling intermediate range ballistic missiles with a range of 4,500 km [2,800 miles]. The extended range will enable Iran to hit almost all of Western Europe with nuclear warheads. The sources further maintained that Iran is already in possession of at least one nuclear bomb.

For the complete article, go to http://israelreporter.com/2006/04/1...n-one-the-rise-of-the-islamist-axis/#more-663
 

kylebisme

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Why those particular facilities, specifically? And the one at Qom was never rightly hidden, as your link shows construction on it was plainly viable by satellite, and Iran disclosed it's purpose before it was put to use. Also, are you against anybody else perusing nuclear capabilities as a whole rather than just nuclear weapons?
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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You may be right about the religious animosity between the two groups, but you are certainly wrong about the political hatred Pakistan has towards India compared to Iran.

What he means is they dont see them as Arabs
 

bobdole369

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Why those particular facilities, specifically? And the one at Qom was never rightly hidden, as your link shows construction on it was plainly viable by satellite, and Iran disclosed it's purpose before it was put to use. Also, are you against anybody else perusing nuclear capabilities as a whole rather than just nuclear weapons?

These I have seen are capable of higher than peaceful (read: power generating) enrichment. The cat is out of the bag so no way is it reasonable to think that they will completely disappear. Therefore I am against anybody else pursuing weapons capabilities. Enough is enough, I don't think India and Pakistan should have them, neither should South Africa but they do. North Korea says they do but with very little evidence. We should have stopped them when it was possible.

Who am I to say we get them, but they don't? As it was in the late 80's the world was at a stalemate. They all had weapons pointed against each other and it was good enough to prevent anybody from using them. These smaller nations don't enjoy that distinction anymore and enough is enough.
 

Dari

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These I have seen are capable of higher than peaceful (read: power generating) enrichment. The cat is out of the bag so no way is it reasonable to think that they will completely disappear. Therefore I am against anybody else pursuing weapons capabilities. Enough is enough, I don't think India and Pakistan should have them, neither should South Africa but they do. North Korea says they do but with very little evidence. We should have stopped them when it was possible.

Who am I to say we get them, but they don't? As it was in the late 80's the world was at a stalemate. They all had weapons pointed against each other and it was good enough to prevent anybody from using them. These smaller nations don't enjoy that distinction anymore and enough is enough.

After the turnover from apartheid, South Africa got rid of it's nukes.
 

Craig234

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not an american, but you're more than welcome to swing by Denmark... I killed your kind in Afghanistan for shits and giggles, do you think I'd have a problem doing it in my own back yard?

And you come across as a monster of a human being and an asshole. The sort who does wrong wrapped in the flag of a military he shames. We see your type in every war.

Japanese war criminals, German war criminals, American war criminals, Soviet war criminals, Chinese war criminals, Cambodian war criminals, almost any war has its monsters.

And yes, middle eastern war criminals as well you fit in well with.