Yet another fast food worker strike

[Londo_Jowo]

I know you will enjoy it, you made it abundantly clear.

Yep, I will enjoy it as much as you enjoy your veggies that are picked by illegals getting paid less than half of what the people who were arrested/cited for civil disobedience make an hour.

 

[theeedude]

Yep, I will enjoy it as much as you enjoy your veggies that are picked by illegals getting paid less than half of what the people who were arrested/cited for civil disobedience make an hour.

I am for enforcing minimum wage laws on the farms.
If working Americans get paid more, they can afford to pay more for fruits and vegetables, rising tide lifts all boats.

 

[trenchfoot]

Oh this is just great. Here we are, dicking around on what seems to be the battle ground of choice for the folks who clearly want to divert away from the fact that the people who actually control and influence the economy the most, yeah, you guessed it, the elite very rich, are the ones most responsible for causing more and more working class folks to seek gov't assistance. Yet, these same rich folks are, at the very same time, arguing for ever less assistance to these working class schmucks and more "personal responsibility" on the part of the working class.

So here we have the very rich getting ever richer via hoarding, off-shoring and practicing/preaching the "do more with less" mantra that enriches themselves ever more, all this while ironically complaining that the working class should do the same while they become ever poorer and poorer.

We are led by the nose to blame the consequences of the problem instead of the actual cause of the problem as to why more and more folks are asking for gov't assistance, as if these millions of folks could magically find a job that paid a living wage, of which our "job creators" are doing their very best to keep from happening in the first place.

The perfect scam it is. The rich get to shove the bulk of the burden of paying for running/defending this country on the very same folks that, for some weird inexplicable reason, wish these elites all the best and more of the same.

For the working class, I can't see how things can get more fucked up than they are, what with a whole pile of these working class fools cheering on the very folks who are progressively degrading these gullible Gilligans quality of life for fun and profit.

Yes, I agree we all should practice personal responsibility. We all should practice safe sex and bear the burden of living a Christian-like life of self-sacrifice and moral fortitude. But if that's the case, why is it that this burden seems to only be the burden of the working class and the poor (according to those proponents of said morally hoity-toity lifestyle who're posting in this thread), while the very rich don't have to be held to the same standard because......well, simply because they're rich? Is that it? We can dive off the moral high ground and into the cesspool of wanton thievery and corruption the moment we become "rich"?

 

[Matt1970]

Oh this is just great. Here we are, dicking around on what seems to be the battle ground of choice for the folks who clearly want to divert away from the fact that the people who actually control and influence the economy the most, yeah, you guessed it, the elite very rich, are the ones most responsible for causing more and more working class folks to seek gov't assistance. Yet, these same rich folks are, at the very same time, arguing for ever less assistance to these working class schmucks and more "personal responsibility" on the part of the working class.

So here we have the very rich getting ever richer via hoarding, off-shoring and practicing/preaching the "do more with less" mantra that enriches themselves ever more, all this while ironically complaining that the working class should do the same while they become ever poorer and poorer.

We are led by the nose to blame the consequences of the problem instead of the actual cause of the problem as to why more and more folks are asking for gov't assistance, as if these millions of folks could magically find a job that paid a living wage, of which our "job creators" are doing their very best to keep from happening in the first place.

The perfect scam it is. The rich get to shove the bulk of the burden of paying for running/defending this country on the very same folks that, for some weird inexplicable reason, wish these elites all the best and more of the same.

For the working class, I can't see how things can get more fucked up than they are, what with a whole pile of these working class fools cheering on the very folks who are progressively degrading these gullible Gilligans quality of life for fun and profit.

Yes, I agree we all should practice personal responsibility. We all should practice safe sex and bear the burden of living a Christian-like life of self-sacrifice and moral fortitude. But if that's the case, why is it that this burden seems to only be the burden of the working class and the poor (according to those proponents of said morally hoity-toity lifestyle who're posting in this thread), while the very rich don't have to be held to the same standard because......well, simply because they're rich? Is that it? We can dive off the moral high ground and into the cesspool of wanton thievery and corruption the moment we become "rich"?

Just keep buying your shit from Walmart and Chinese Dollar stores and blaming all the job losses on off-shoring.

 

[Zorkorist]

Oh this is just great. Here we are, dicking around on what seems to be the battle ground of choice for the folks who clearly want to divert away from the fact that the people who actually control and influence the economy the most, yeah, you guessed it, the elite very rich, are the ones most responsible for causing more and more working class folks to seek gov't assistance. Yet, these same rich folks are, at the very same time, arguing for ever less assistance to these working class schmucks and more "personal responsibility" on the part of the working class.

So here we have the very rich getting ever richer via hoarding, off-shoring and practicing/preaching the "do more with less" mantra that enriches themselves ever more, all this while ironically complaining that the working class should do the same while they become ever poorer and poorer.

We are led by the nose to blame the consequences of the problem instead of the actual cause of the problem as to why more and more folks are asking for gov't assistance, as if these millions of folks could magically find a job that paid a living wage, of which our "job creators" are doing their very best to keep from happening in the first place.

The perfect scam it is. The rich get to shove the bulk of the burden of paying for running/defending this country on the very same folks that, for some weird inexplicable reason, wish these elites all the best and more of the same.

For the working class, I can't see how things can get more fucked up than they are, what with a whole pile of these working class fools cheering on the very folks who are progressively degrading these gullible Gilligans quality of life for fun and profit.

Yes, I agree we all should practice personal responsibility. We all should practice safe sex and bear the burden of living a Christian-like life of self-sacrifice and moral fortitude. But if that's the case, why is it that this burden seems to only be the burden of the working class and the poor (according to those proponents of said morally hoity-toity lifestyle who're posting in this thread), while the very rich don't have to be held to the same standard because......well, simply because they're rich? Is that it? We can dive off the moral high ground and into the cesspool of wanton thievery and corruption the moment we become "rich"?

Great post.

There is some incongruence going on here.

Government, spends like crazy, into deficit.
Rich people, bitch.
Poor people bitch.

What could be the incongruence?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

It used to be that !someone! could ascribe to the American Dream.

Today, we are all slaves to Government.

-John

Remember to remind your Dr.'s, that they are now public servants.

-John

They get Minimum Wage +.

-John

Dr. Zhivago.

-John

Several posts combined into one.
Please try to marshall your thoughts into one post rather than many.
admin allisolm

 

[Zaap]

Right, because the billions of starving people in the world - and I mean actually starving, not "poor" morbidly obese Americans who says they're starving because they haven't had a cheeseburger in almost two hours - aren't going to be competing for the same resources we are...

LOL, you actually believe we can consume more than we already do. It doesn't matter who has the USD when it comes to consumption. The wealthy might control 80% of the USD, but the poor consume vastly more than the rich. When it comes to consumption, the mere fact that the poor and middle class outnumber the wealthy by several orders of magnitude means they are already consuming vastly more than the wealthy. Some rich guy driving a Maybach isn't even on the same consumption scale as the 1,000,000 Chevys and Toyotas that the 99% drive. Taking money from the CEO you hate and spreading it around doesn't mean that his not buying a yacht will mean that 1,000,000 people can now buy a little boat. Spreading the USD around CANNOT increase consumption much more than the 99% already consume. Scarcity is a real thing, no matter what idiot leftist dogma you believe.

Wow. Did I type this and forget that I did? Pretty much dead on.

And of course idiot leftists don't understand common sense. They're idiot leftists waiting for everyone to join hands and believe thier statist fairy tale 'solutions' with them.

 

[ivwshane]

Wow. Did I type this and forget that I did? Pretty much dead on.

And of course idiot leftists don't understand common sense. They're idiot leftists waiting for everyone to join hands and believe thier statist fairy tale 'solutions' with them.

Yep! Those stupid leftist and their upward mobility bullshit! What kind of fucking moron do you have to be to think consumers can consume more?! People already have cars, tv's, cellphones, and a house, what are they going to do? Buy a better car? Buy a better tv? Get a better cellphone? Buy a better house in a better neighborhood? Lol! Like that will produce more consumption! No one ever buys more or buys better or bigger...no one ever!

It's common sense people!!!!


/S

Yeah except that it's not and it's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard! By the same logic, why not cap everyone at a certain salary? I mean, just because the rich buy new and shiny stuff doesn't mean the middle class and poor would do the same thing! /s except that's exactly what they do.

 

[ivwshane]

We are. All slaves. Of the government. Perhaps it's because the. Government is the only. Game in. Town. My guess is that if. Businesses started paying a better. Wage then people would probably stop. Trying to get government jobs!


10 posts combined into one. Stop it please.

admin allisolm

 

[BoberFett]

I am for enforcing minimum wage laws on the farms.
If working Americans get paid more, they can afford to pay more for fruits and vegetables, rising tide lifts all boats.

You lying piece of shit.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2367280

 

[BoberFett]

I'm pretty far from the left. But I am a business owner with a payroll and employees that depend on me for their pay check every week. So I understand a little bit about labor costs.
The cost increase will be across the board, so all fast food will cost more, no one company will bear the brunt of the increase. My guess is that most people eating at these places aren't going to be hurt by the price increase. For those that will suffer from it, they shouldn't be eating out anyway, they can't afford it. If a few locations have to shut down, they must be in a seriously poverty stricken area and teetering on the brink anyway.

You just said people will eat fewer Big Macs. Lowered demand means you need fewer 15/hr burger flippers.

I seriously doubt that you own a business if you don't follow this simple logic.

 

[MongGrel]

Starting to come true a bit ?

But it's not the ones still unionized, go figure.

I've seen so many gripe about unions on here, not even in one myself these days but most Police, EMT's, Teachers etc are still Union ya know ?

It's the ones like I have been in that do manufacturing that have been destroyed and shipped overseas, think about that a bit.

The ones that aren't guarding you in you're sleep, that actually produce a product that is sold.

NM, it's late not going on a rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEdgzndKuog

 

[theeedude]

You lying piece of shit.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2367280

Lying not found.
Also:
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
You have self identified yourself as the latter, and I take you at your word. But I won't call you an idiot personally, because that would be an ad-hominem.

 

[Greenman]

You just said people will eat fewer Big Macs. Lowered demand means you need fewer 15/hr burger flippers.

I seriously doubt that you own a business if you don't follow this simple logic.

The logic is simple, increased labor costs are always passed on to the consumer. That might very well mean a reduction in demand, and that would indeed mean some might lose their jobs. But they might also get new jobs fueled by the increased spending of those who just got a pay raise. I don't believe anyone knows how it will shake out, but I'm optimistic enough to roll the dice on it.

As for you doubting that I own my own business, that's a wash. We'll certainly never be doing any business, and I sure as hell don't want anyone from P&N knowing who I am, so I won't be posting the link with the proof. You can believe as you wish. Though I think one of the mods is fairly certain of what my business is.

Almost forgot to mention, I've never paid minimum wage to an employee since I started up in 1986.

 

[Zaap]

pure drivel.

Holy shit you are dumb. In the very next thread, you retard leftists will be whining about global warming and too much consumption and rich people getting richer booooo hooooo because they sell your bone stupid ass things you don't need wahh wahh wahh... but now here you are blithering on about how everyone needs to consume *more*!

Left-wing twats: burning everything at both ends, too dumb to ever realize it.

 

[ivwshane]

Holy shit you are dumb. In the very next thread, you retard leftists will be whining about global warming and too much consumption and rich people getting richer booooo hooooo because they sell your bone stupid ass things you don't need wahh wahh wahh... but now here you are blithering on about how everyone needs to consume *more*!

Left-wing twats: burning everything at both ends, too dumb to ever realize it.

Had you actually bothered to read my post, which I assume was blocked by the foam coming out of your mouth, you'd realize I made no such claim and in fact was disputing bobers claim that and I quote:

Spreading the USD around CANNOT increase consumption much more than the 99% already consume.

Which you completely agreed with which makes you a foaming at the mouth dumbass Don't get mad at me because you were called out on your stupidity.

 

[werepossum]

Yep! Those stupid leftist and their upward mobility bullshit! What kind of fucking moron do you have to be to think consumers can consume more?! People already have cars, tv's, cellphones, and a house, what are they going to do? Buy a better car? Buy a better tv? Get a better cellphone? Buy a better house in a better neighborhood? Lol! Like that will produce more consumption! No one ever buys more or buys better or bigger...no one ever!

It's common sense people!!!!


/S

Yeah except that it's not and it's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard! By the same logic, why not cap everyone at a certain salary? I mean, just because the rich buy new and shiny stuff doesn't mean the middle class and poor would do the same thing! /s except that's exactly what they do.

Nothing wrong with upward mobility. Quite a lot wrong with demanding that your employer drag your lard ass up a ladder you can't be bothered to climb.

Starting to come true a bit ?

But it's not the ones still unionized, go figure.

I've seen so many gripe about unions on here, not even in one myself these days but most Police, EMT's, Teachers etc are still Union ya know ?

It's the ones like I have been in that do manufacturing that have been destroyed and shipped overseas, think about that a bit.

The ones that aren't guarding you in you're sleep, that actually produce a product that is sold.

NM, it's late not going on a rant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEdgzndKuog

Nothing inherently wrong with unions. The best, trade unions in my opinion, provide honest value to an employer as well as protection and other benefits to the employee. One of the reasons that manufacturing fled was because of unions making unreasonable demands. But employers have inherent power advantages over employees in that the employer can move his business (at a cost) to more reasonable employees or simply use his capital for other purposes. When employees become too powerful, government should remove/reduce the artificial restraints we place on employers to protect employees to a level that promotes maximum efficiency and societal benefit.

Instead government removed all barriers to employers simply seeking employees outside the country. This is a huge difference since whatever the balance between employer and employee, the wealth remained in this country. Now a significant portion of wealth leaves this country to pay the foreign employees who build our stuff, and while the employers/resource owners are better off, society as a whole is poorer and less stable. (Although admittedly we can consume more stuff - until it's our job that disappears, anyway.)

The logic is simple, increased labor costs are always passed on to the consumer. That might very well mean a reduction in demand, and that would indeed mean some might lose their jobs. But they might also get new jobs fueled by the increased spending of those who just got a pay raise. I don't believe anyone knows how it will shake out, but I'm optimistic enough to roll the dice on it.

As for you doubting that I own my own business, that's a wash. We'll certainly never be doing any business, and I sure as hell don't want anyone from P&N knowing who I am, so I won't be posting the link with the proof. You can believe as you wish. Though I think one of the mods is fairly certain of what my business is.

Almost forgot to mention, I've never paid minimum wage to an employee since I started up in 1986.

Increased labor costs inherently mean a reduction in total demand for the consumer, but logic dictates that is offset by increased demand by those receiving the extra labor cost. And it's worth pointing out that labor is often a small portion of the total cost. However, arbitrarily raising labor rates doesn't occur in a vacuum, especially raising them to $15 for burger flippers. Just for comparison purposes, median wage for all occupations in Tennessee in 2013 was $14.90. If we raise the wages for the lowest skilled jobs to this amount, we either usher in an incredible wave of inflation as other wages adjust or we accept a Soviet-style socialist economy where government sets wages arbitrarily without regard to the market value of the job. That way lies disaster.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_tn.htm#00-0000

 

[Veliko]

Increased labor costs inherently mean a reduction in total demand for the consumer, but logic dictates that is offset by increased demand by those receiving the extra labor cost. And it's worth pointing out that labor is often a small portion of the total cost. However, arbitrarily raising labor rates doesn't occur in a vacuum, especially raising them to $15 for burger flippers. Just for comparison purposes, median wage for all occupations in Tennessee in 2013 was $14.90. If we raise the wages for the lowest skilled jobs to this amount, we either usher in an incredible wave of inflation as other wages adjust or we accept a Soviet-style socialist economy where government sets wages arbitrarily without regard to the market value of the job. That way lies disaster.

This is an utter nonsense of a theory.

The minimum wage has been implemented in nations all across the globe yet none of those things occurred... so why do people persist in regurgitating it?

 

[Exterous]

I hope part of this push is the desire to get the minimum wage raised but not necessarily to the $15 amount - or at least to $15 any time soon. I don't see a sudden and massive hike to $15 being healthy for any business involved in this and expect that a lot of workers would be fired or replaced if $15\hour goes into effect quickly

Unfortunately I think its taken root in so many minds that they should get $15/hour and soon that they will be sorely disappointing and upset with anything less

As a side note:

The protesters who were sitting on Mack Avenue and refusing to move had a bit of a negotiating session between the police department and the organizers — that didn’t go anywhere,” Szumanski said. “So, police have now swooped in and what they have done is arrested at least 20, maybe 30 people. They’re leading them away in handcuffs to the back of the squad cars.”

Detroit police say of the 30 people placed in handcuffs, 24 were ticketed for disorderly conduct and released. The remain six are being held because they have outstanding warrants, police said.

It doesn't seem too bright to let yourself get arrested if you have an outstanding warrent

Also - as far as I can tell from the selective interviews only single mothers with 1-4 kids work at fast food restaurants.

 

[nehalem256]

I hope part of this push is the desire to get the minimum wage raised but not necessarily to the $15 amount - or at least to $15 any time soon. I don't see a sudden and massive hike to $15 being healthy for any business involved in this and expect that a lot of workers would be fired or replaced if $15\hour goes into effect quickly

Unfortunately I think its taken root in so many minds that they should get $15/hour and soon that they will be sorely disappointing and upset with anything less

As a side note:



It doesn't seem too bright to let yourself get arrested if you have an outstanding warrent

Well I guess that explains why liberals hold up people who are so unsympathetic.

Single mother with 2 bastard kids certainly is more sympathetic than criminal on the run.

 

[Veliko]

It doesn't seem too bright to let yourself get arrested if you have an outstanding warrent.

Well what do you think would happen if they resisted arrest? Choke hold and death if recent history is anything to go by.

 

[werepossum]

This is an utter nonsense of a theory.

The minimum wage has been implemented in nations all across the globe yet none of those things occurred... so why do people persist in regurgitating it?

No nation has successfully implemented a minimum wage nearly equal to its median wage. Only communist nations have even tried.

 

[Veliko]

No nation has successfully implemented a minimum wage nearly equal to its median wage. Only communist nations have even tried.

Unfortunately that doesn't make your theory of hyper inflation any more valid.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well what do you think would happen if they resisted arrest? Choke hold and death if recent history is anything to go by.

I think you missed his point.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I think you missed his point.

Not to mention the thousands of arrests made in the same time period as the choking and shooting incidents where no excessive force was used or injury occurred when the person was placed in custody.