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Yet another 5-year old girl arrested, handcuffed at school

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ToeJam13

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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- A 5-year-old girl was arrested, cuffed and put in the back of a police cruiser after an outburst at school where she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.

Full story can be read here.

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What is not surprising about this story is the absolute outrage by the mother. Once again in your typical "you trampled on the civil rights" and/or "you went WAY over the line" reaction, she has consulted a lawyer and may end up suing.

Obviously, the mother has completely ignored the fact that her daughter assaulted several people. Assault is only for teens and adults. For little girls, its playtime.
 
The courts have stripped the schools of the ability to discipline. Since they cant physically stop her the cops need to be called.

 
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
What is not surprising about this story is the absolute outrage by the mother. Once again in your typical "you trampled on the civil rights" and/or "you went WAY over the line" reaction, she has consulted a lawyer and may end up suing.

Obviously, the mother has completely ignored the fact that her daughter assaulted several people. Assault is only for teens and adults. For little girls, its playtime.
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What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
What is not surprising about this story is the absolute outrage by the mother. Once again in your typical "you trampled on the civil rights" and/or "you went WAY over the line" reaction, she has consulted a lawyer and may end up suing.

Obviously, the mother has completely ignored the fact that her daughter assaulted several people. Assault is only for teens and adults. For little girls, its playtime.
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What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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It sounds like they'd all get a flogging if it were up to genx. His vision of America is sooo much better than the islamic ones he hates so much.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
What is not surprising about this story is the absolute outrage by the mother. Once again in your typical "you trampled on the civil rights" and/or "you went WAY over the line" reaction, she has consulted a lawyer and may end up suing.

Obviously, the mother has completely ignored the fact that her daughter assaulted several people. Assault is only for teens and adults. For little girls, its playtime.
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What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Agree 100000%.
 
isn't this the same girl/story?

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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no its not surprising, would you rather as a school administrator or teacher physically discipline this girl only to have her go home crying to mama "they touched me," or wipe your hands of it and have another party responsible for it

you must also realize that the school knew she was a five year old, and tried every method available to them to calm her down, and that the police (who she subsequently attacked) was a last resort

the baby mama should be handcuffed and tasered in front of her
 
and I wonder why children these days act entitled to everything and that they are better than everyone else...it is because their parents, like this one don't do anything to discipline them....the kids can do no wrong...
 
Originally posted by: bozack
and I wonder why children these days act entitled to everything and that they are better than everyone else...it is because their parents, like this one don't do anything to discipline them....the kids can do no wrong...
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Another brown shirt who sounds more like an Islamo-terrorist than anything else.
 
What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO.
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Tell you what, I will let a five year old kick you repeatedly in the shins...after about 5 minutes you let me know how it feels....that is of course the five year old does not break his or her foot in the process....which there is a reason for restraint on it's own (prevention of self injury)

The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything.
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So in the meantime waiting for parent to get to the school the child:

a- Injures herself in which case the
1-Teacher
2-School
3- city
4- county
5- state
6- all of the above
are held responsible for not calling someone to restrain her (see the conundrum?)

b- she injures another student in which case all stated above applies

Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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So according to your statement, the ONLY reason a child should be removed by authorites is because he/she poses a threat with a weapon...injury to themselves or others cannot happen in any other form. Since there was no weapon, therefore no threat and so no one but the parents should be involved.....I see.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO.
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Tell you what, I will let a five year old kick you repeatedly in the shins...after about 5 minutes you let me know how it feels....that is of course the five year old does not break his or her foot in the process....which there is a reason for restraint on it's own (prevention of self injury)

The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything.
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So in the meantime waiting for parent to get to the school the child:

a- Injures herself in which case the
1-Teacher
2-School
3- city
4- county
5- state
6- all of the above
are held responsible for not calling someone to restrain her (see the conundrum?)

b- she injures another student in which case all stated above applies

Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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So according to your statement, the ONLY reason a child should be removed by authorites is because he/she poses a threat with a weapon...injury to themselves or others cannot happen in any other form. Since there was no weapon, therefore no threat and so no one but the parents should be involved.....I see.
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Please don't ever work at an elementary school.
 
What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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The police were involved because thanks to the courts, schools have lost all ability to discipline or otherwise control their student body...discipline the child and you face a lawsuit from the parent...bring in the parent to discuss their child's behavior, and she will defend the actions of her child...send the kid home, and the parent will claim you are denying her child access to education.

The girl's mother, Inda Akins, said she is consulting an attorney. "She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."
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Set her up for what exactly? When this is the parent's response, do you blame the school for calling the police...looks like someone is looking for the big lawsuit payout in the sky...I swear, lawsuits have simply become another form of the lottery.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
The courts have stripped the schools of the ability to discipline. Since they cant physically stop her the cops need to be called.
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No not the courts...More like Parents with lawyers who expect society to take care of their kids. I bet this kid will grow up having no respect for authority or the law. If she is assaulting school staff right now at the age of 5 then just wait until she realizes she can get away with murder as a juvenile and not have any real repercussions happen to her. I bet her mommy is talking to her lawyer(s) as we speak. Oh and I agree with others here that had a school staff member laid a hand on her to stop her violent outburst then her mother would also be storming the school district gates with her lawyer(s) as well.

 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Genx87
The courts have stripped the schools of the ability to discipline. Since they cant physically stop her the cops need to be called.
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No not the courts...Parents with lawyers.
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How did the parents and lawyers do this without the courts?
Where did they sue the schools at?

 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
What is surprising is that they handcuffed and arrested a FIVE YEAR OLD. Kids that age have temper tantrums on a fairly regular basis. Calling it assault is pretty ridiculous, IMO. The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything. Why do police need to be involved in cases such as this? Maybe if the kid had a gun, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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I whole-heartedly agree with you that involving the police is a very poor reaction to the situation at hand. However, modern schools have been backed into a corner with regards to discipline of extreme measures.

Modern schools have had their authority to discipline students restricted. Corporal punishment has been banished. Parents harass and sue over suspensions and expulsions. Severe forms of timeout (isolation) have been deemed cruel. There really is nothing left to ?shock and awe? problem students.

This has been further undercut and degraded by a small, select group of parents who feel that discipline is their duty and theirs alone. Although this in itself is not a bad thing, many of these parents are former members of the Doctor Spock ?spare the rod? children?s club. Others are members of the ?my child is an angel (only in front of me)? club.

Regardless, a recent study has shown that student discipline is a leading factor for teachers leaving the profession. They are basically powerless to deal with misbehaved children.

So when a crisis event like this does occur, what options do school administrators have left? Why, you bring in the Man. Of course, the Man won?t put up with it. He has restraints. He has tasers. He has his civil rights stomping police training. He?ll take your little princess and put the fear of God into her.

Unfortunately, we as a society have a double standard for young children, especially if they?re girls. So when something like this does occur, you have shock, outrage and anger as the result. Of course, it?s their own darn fault. You get what you raise.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Genx87
The courts have stripped the schools of the ability to discipline. Since they cant physically stop her the cops need to be called.
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No not the courts...Parents with lawyers.
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How did the parents and lawyers do this without the courts?
Where did they sue the schools at?
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Who hires the lawyer(s) ? Who submits the case to the court system ? Who agrues the case ?

P.S. On a side not most of these types of cases are civil cases done in front of juries and not decided by judges.
 
Who hires the lawyer(s) ? Who submits the case to the court system ? Who agrues the case ?

P.S. On a side not most of these types of cases are civil cases done in front of juries and not decided by judges.
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Who renders the final decision?

We are arguing semantics here.

 
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