Yet another 5-year old girl arrested, handcuffed at school

[ToeJam13]

Here is the link to more of a post-writeup of the situation.

It sounds like that entire family needs to be publically executed. All of those kids will most likely end up in the correctional/justice system at the cost of $80K/yr to the taxpayers.

 

[Zebo]

I miss the days of a good ass whoopin. You gotta nip problems like this before they got out of hand. I was a juvinile deliquent, even stabbed a kid once and he required 40+ stiches if it were't for my administrators admistering swats then more when I got home I'd be doing 20-life right now. Thanks for the help keeped me straight after about 15...

BTW- Talking/time-out and incarsiration simply does'nt work with some children. My parents tried that BS, even had me on drugs, I just laughed at mom and dad even at around 6 cuz I knew they wer'nt going to do sh1t to me. My dad was abused so he had a major adversion to violence and I knew the score. ...till he bought a clue.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

i don't see what people are so outraged about. it's not like the cops beat the crap out of her with their batons. she deserved what she got. people shouldn't be allowed to assault others or destroy property, i don't care if your 5 or 50. teachers should be allowed to restrain little spoiled brats. but since they're not, due to our outstanding legal system, the school district has no choice but to call the cops.
i'm sure there would be an equal law suit if the teacher restrained the girl and ended up bruising her wrists or some such.

'Bout sums up my thoughts. 🙂

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: illustri
no its not surprising, would you rather as a school administrator or teacher physically discipline this girl only to have her go home crying to mama "they touched me," or wipe your hands of it and have another party responsible for it

you must also realize that the school knew she was a five year old, and tried every method available to them to calm her down, and that the police (who she subsequently attacked) was a last resort

A teacher/administrator at a preschool NEEDS to have the ability to control his/her students. There is nothing wrong with grabbing a kid and restraining them. Put her in a closet if necessary until her parents arive. The back of a squad car, however, for a five year old is asinine at best. If the school gets sued for this and loses, then our justice system sucks, period.

the baby mama should be handcuffed and tasered in front of her

That was just a retarded thing to say. I assume you have no children or even younger relatives.

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Tell you what, I will let a five year old kick you repeatedly in the shins...after about 5 minutes you let me know how it feels....that is of course the five year old does not break his or her foot in the process....which there is a reason for restraint on it's own (prevention of self injury)

I have a brother 14 years younger than myself. I never had a problem subduing him when he was 5. I didn't have to hit him to do it, either. If you can't restrain a five year old without hurting them, you shouldn't be teaching them. If you want to sue me for handling your child without harming him, then you're a jackass. If your kid is that misbehaved, don't send them away to school until they're more mature.

When I was in high school, if you got in a fight, we had big security guards. They would throw you across the hall, into the wall if necessary, to stop the fight. If you can't handle yourself in your environment, then you will be handled. The problem starts at home, but the school has very little recourse when the parent doesn't do his/her job raising her kid. There is a right way and a wrong way to discipline kids at school, just as there is at home. The line is really common sense. Unfortunately, the buffoonery that is our legal system has taken common sense and drop-kicked it out the window.

 

[Zebo]

e. Unfortunately, the buffoonery that is our legal system has taken common sense and drop-kicked it out the window.

It's the parents. TALK to some sometime, thier little angel can't do no wrong. They are your legal system in a round about way due to or representitive govt and they make up the juries.

Basically our culture has changed from "spare the rod" to "spoil Rod"

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's the parents. TALK to some sometime, thier little angel can't do no wrong. They are your legal system in a round about way due to or representitive govt and they make up the juries.

Basically our culture has changed from "spare the rod" to "spoil Rod"

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Our whole country has descended into a 'it's anyone's fault but mine!' routine that would be comical if it weren't so depressing. The foreigners in my class just started laughing when I told them about this instance. They even predicted that the parents would sue the school. They've been here six months and they already know how broken everything is, and how it's never anyone's fault.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's the parents. TALK to some sometime, thier little angel can't do no wrong. They are your legal system in a round about way due to or representitive govt and they make up the juries.

Basically our culture has changed from "spare the rod" to "spoil Rod"

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Our whole country has descended into a 'it's anyone's fault but mine!' routine that would be comical if it weren't so depressing. The foreigners in my class just started laughing when I told them about this instance. They even predicted that the parents would sue the school. They've been here six months and they already know how broken everything is, and how it's never anyone's fault.

Maybe my family is special. I acted out in elementary a few times (had discipline troubles throughout elementary) and I got parent conferences, talking tos, the occasional swat on the ass, and a lot of time out. Learned me good.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
Maybe my family is special. I acted out in elementary a few times (had discipline troubles throughout elementary) and I got parent conferences, talking tos, the occasional swat on the ass, and a lot of time out. Learned me good.

I got the same. Unfortunately, the way I was raised is probably illegal now. My father knew how to put the Fear of God® in you. 😛

 

[fuzzynavel]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Orsorum
Maybe my family is special. I acted out in elementary a few times (had discipline troubles throughout elementary) and I got parent conferences, talking tos, the occasional swat on the ass, and a lot of time out. Learned me good.

I got the same. Unfortunately, the way I was raised is probably illegal now. My father knew how to put the Fear of God® in you. 😛

Same here...I was smacked as a child and it did me a lot of good....taught me right from wrong........here in the UK smacking your child is actually illegal now.....and the number of juvenile delinquents hanging around the streets since I was young has grown dramatically.....

When I have children they will get my hand wrapped across their bums if they are bad....law or no law....

Children don't respect discipline that doesn't hurt them in some way(not necessarily physical) but taking their toys away doesn't hurt them......taking candy away...they don't give a sh!t......smacking is a final alternative if these things don't work....Children are intelligent beings......they will probe your defences to try and get away with things that they know are bad and unless you put a stop to it you will lose!

My wife is actually a teacher and she can't even put a soft hand on a childs' back to usher him/her out of a class....that is assault in the eyes of the law......The kids know their rights too well and push the teachers to the limits

Now back to this 5 year old in handcuffs........sure it is extreme but what were the school to do.....they would have tried all other methods of calming the child down that they know......these are educated people they are not stupid.....they can't allow any child to vandalise the school property as all the rest will copy.....The kid is just from a bad family.....probably not her fault but she has to live with the consequences of that bad(no discipline) upbringing.....

Watch out for one of those kids in 10 years time with a gun in a school......(I know bad timing but it had to be said)

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
Maybe my family is special. I acted out in elementary a few times (had discipline troubles throughout elementary) and I got parent conferences, talking tos, the occasional swat on the ass, and a lot of time out. Learned me good.

My parents had a rubber spatula that they would swat me with when I was little. It really hurt. However, it was only used in the most severe of situations. As such, I stayed away from doing really bad things.

I was hit with a belt only once. The buckle accidently hit me, so my dad never used it again. If a spatula wasn't clean from then on, my dad would make me clean it first before he'd use it on me.

The belt is most likely illegal now. I bet that the spatula may be too. Shame. It did put the fear of God in me.

Originally posted by: fuzzynavel
Children don't respect discipline that doesn't hurt them in some way(not necessarily physical) but taking their toys away doesn't hurt them......taking candy away...they don't give a sh!t......smacking is a final alternative if these things don't work....Children are intelligent beings......they will probe your defences to try and get away with things that they know are bad and unless you put a stop to it you will lose!

My wife is actually a teacher and she can't even put a soft hand on a childs' back to usher him/her out of a class....that is assault in the eyes of the law......The kids know their rights too well and push the teachers to the limits

The sad part is that here in the United States, large numbers of teachers have left the profession because of disruptive children. Three or four problem kids in a class of 30 can ruin it for everyone. Since more school districts now give merit raises based on student performance, a group of problem children can mean the difference between your salary being just enough to survive on versus comfortable. That's unfair.

 

[Zebo]

Hehe lucky you. My dad had a paddle with about 500 holes drilled into it for maximum velocity while swinging (less air resistance) and it spelled "attitude adjustment" in holes. It worked.. but I was hard headed so I unfortuantly experianced it often like once a month between ages 7 and about 12.

 

[GoingUp]

Have you seen the video on the news? That girl needs to be bitchslapped. Its clear that she gets this behavior from the parents.

 

[Yellow Dog]

Have you seen the footage of that little b*t*h and her tantram in both the classroom and the principals office. What she needed was to get her back side set on fire with some swiftly applied swats.

Mommy raises this little monster, now she wants to sue the cops. I think that DSS needs to take a serious look at the home life and structure this kid gets at home.

You never saw this type of problem when I was in school. Mess up in school, and you got your butt busted then and there. Then when I got home I really got my butt busted, and daddy didn't even consider sueing the school. Ths misfits are winning.

 

[Yellow Dog]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
The proper action is to call the parent and have the kid taken home, if anything.

They did, and the little angel's mother said that it would take her over an hour to get to the school.