Yeesh, X1900XT may be fast, but it has issues.

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: terentenet
Formating when purchasing a new video card is plain stupid. This isn't a required step to take if you have good hardware. All ppl complain when passing from nvidia to ati. i've been changing lots of cards within my computer, all nvidia based and didn't even have to reinstall the forceware.
my windows is now 11 months old, currently having 7800gtx. no issues here. 8400 3d marks in 2005.

Pretty much my experience as well, but the Nvidia cards I used did use the same driver. I have never switched from ATI back to Nvidia either so I dont know if problems persist there.

Bottom line is, you shouldnt have to reformat just to change a %#$ piece of hardware.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Yreka

Bottom line is, you shouldnt have to reformat just to change a %#$ piece of hardware.

You don't, you guys are crazy. I've never had to format except when changing mobo's and there is even a way to avoid that nowadays.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Yreka

Bottom line is, you shouldnt have to reformat just to change a %#$ piece of hardware.

You don't, you guys are crazy. I've never had to format except when changing mobo's and there is even a way to avoid that nowadays.

Originally posted by: dadach

No, I haven't formatted,

why even post of the problems if you have not done one BASIC thing you absolutely must do when installing a new card...especially when upgrading with the different brand of the card

Ready....

FIGHT !!

 

[shimsham]

you shouldnt have to format just because youre changing brands. ive went ati, to nvidia, back to ati, and now back on nvidia. never had any problems.

the ops problems sounds like a driver issue on atis side. but the card just came out, so im sure there are bugs. both companies always "squeeze more performance" out of new drivers, so why would solving bugs be any different? wait for the 6.2s before you let yourself be consumed by buyers remorse.

 

[ayabe]

If formatting makes you feel better then do it, but I think it's a wasted exercise, if you are having stability problems I think it more likely that something else is the cause. If using drivercleaner or some other program still leaves remnants of older drivers on your machine, then go into the registry delete what is left over.

I haven't had to format my machine for stability problems since Windows 98.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: aggressor
I'm hoping it's just because of immature drivers, but ugh. More problems with the card over the last two days than the last 3 months with my old card, a 7800GTX.

The list:

1) I forgot how horrible the CCC is. Some of the settings don't even work right, let alone some nice\semi-important features are missing. Plus, it's really ugly, clunky, and slow. I used to be able to get away using the old control panel, but even that's gone and it lacks some functionality now as well.
2) The fan is very noisy compared to the 7800GTX reference cooler. I'm going to have to get an Artic Silencer for it if I plan on keeping it.
3) Instability. This has been the biggest issue for me. I haven't even attempted to overclock because of all the issues I've been having. Day 1 was just horrible. Constant crashes and lockups. After doing a little tweaking (Changing from SLI mode on the mobo to single and switching PCI-E slots) it SEEMED to be stable in the games I was playing that day (CS:S and EQ2\WoW), but today I fired up some Q4 and find it crashing. First a little graphical corruption, then quake4.exe errors and I'm sent to the desktop. That never happened on my 7800GTX.

The pluses? Err...Well, it's fast, of course. Not blazingly so, and not really enough to warrant an upgrade from a 7800GTX, but then again this wasn't a planned thing. The HQ AF mode is extremely nice. Yea...that's, um...it. I guess EQ2 does seem a lot faster\playable in HQ mode, I guess, but that's probably due to the 512mb of ram on the card.

If I didn't get the card for $100 under MSRP, I'd be pissed. Right now I'm more annoyed that nVidias new card is still a month away

I'm with you on CCC. I'm pissed turning off scaling doesn't work with all resolutions. This is just stupid. I don't have aproblem with the fan noise. Maybe because I've got my box on the floor next to my desk. I haven't ran into any problems with any games. However, I've only played BF2 and WoW.

This X1900 XTX is gone the second NVIDIA comes out with a faster card.

ATI makes great hardware but their software sucks @$$!

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Did you format after getting the card? I had instability and performance issues when I only used driver cleaner and installed the card. After I did a format everything was perfect. If you format, don't use .net 1.1, get 2.0 only and CCC will fly. The performance jump from a 256 gtx is huge, don't understand how you aren't seeing that.

So the driver that came with the card will work with .NET 2.0? I was under the impression that Catalyst 6.1 won't work with the X1900 and the driver on the disc is old and requires .NET 1.1.

Thanks,

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: aggressor
No, I haven't formatted, and I probably won't until the 6.2s are released. I don't understand why a format would help and using DC wouldn't (Which I did use). And no, I don't notice the difference. Maybe it's because of the resolution I use, which is 1280x960. I'm sure benchmarks would show a difference, but actually playing? Not so much. Hell, my 3dmark06 scores only went up by 400 points, though I do have HQ AF enabled and Catalyst A.I. disabled at all times, though I did turn off all optimizations on the 7800GTX as well.

By the way, how does Overdrive work for you? I just ran it and it said 689mhz core and 797mhz mem are a-okay to use, though I quickly reset it back. This card runs too hot (85c underload) to consider any OCing imo.

I haven't seen my XTX go over 74°C.

 

[compgeek89]

My x1800 XT crashes out of Far Cry EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's not liking DOD:S at all, though it plays HL2 just fine. The only game I'm happy with what it does in is COD2, which i thankfully play most. But for $500, i should be happy across the board.

The CCC wont even launch on my rig right now, the black CCC logo pops up, and stays there until i kill CLI.exe. At other times i've had the icon not appear in the tray. It truly is one big piece of crap.

 

[NeoV]

a few thoughts....

how do you get a x1900xt card for 'less than $100'? Smells like crap to me.

Also, if you run at 1280X960, you have no need whatsoever for this card - in fact your prior 7800GTX was overpowered for that resolution. If you can blow all this money on the newest video cards when they come out each time, get a real monitor first.

Also - "I haven't tried to overclock it yet' - what the hell benefit are you hoping to get running at that rez by overclocking? It's of no value whatsoever to you, period.

Your Q4 settings - there is a KNOWN issue with the Ultra settings, get over it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
My x1800 XT crashes out of Far Cry EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's not liking DOD:S at all, though it plays HL2 just fine. The only game I'm happy with what it does in is COD2, which i thankfully play most. But for $500, i should be happy across the board.

The CCC wont even launch on my rig right now, the black CCC logo pops up, and stays there until i kill CLI.exe. At other times i've had the icon not appear in the tray. It truly is one big piece of crap.

Have you restored your system to factory clocks? And your 1800XT to the stock BIOS and clocks? As per your other thread, you have to take into account you running your system way out of spec. Until you run everything in spec, you can attribute all your problems to this.

Keys

 

[compgeek89]

Originally posted by: NeoVYour Q4 settings - there is a KNOWN issue with the Ultra settings, get over it.

There are KNOWN issues with ATi drivers all over the place. A fix? WHEN? Never...

Far Cry, B&W2. AOE III, Q4

Is there even 50% of games that dont need driver updates from ATi to work?

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: ayabe

I haven't had to format my machine for stability problems since Windows 98.

I haven't either, thats why I am less than pleased now. I'm not saying reformatting will work, I obviously haven't tried it yet. Your logic is sound, however other people report that doing this fixes the problem for them so *shrug*.

My only point to them was you shouldn't have to go to such lengths *reformatting* to get a video card working. Hell you shouldnt even need to use driver cleaner, but I digress.

Personally, I am betting the instablity is immature drivers. I am happy that everything is working well for you, but this is hardly an isolated incident.

Originally posted by: shimsham
the ops problems sounds like a driver issue on atis side. but the card just came out, so im sure there are bugs. both companies always "squeeze more performance" out of new drivers, so why would solving bugs be any different? wait for the 6.2s before you let yourself be consumed by buyers remorse.

This is basically where I am at. I hope the problems get resolved, because other than the issues at hand, the card is great.

 

[Keysplayr]

I do find it a bit disturbing that ATI did not have a mature driver for the R580 at time of launch. I mean, how long did they have to develop this card and its drivers? The R580 was supposedly being developed alongside the R520. So, a long time. Not trying to bash here, just that anyone would feel this way. If ATI released the R580 without a mature, or properly working driver, then it might as well be called a paper launch. (Technically).
Sure, the hardware is here and widely available, but that does not excuse infantile drivers that goes along with it.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: NeoV

how do you get a x1900xt card for 'less than $100'? Smells like crap to me.

.

I think he meant $100 less than the list price.

If I didn't get the card for $100 under MSRP

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Yreka
My only point to them was you shouldn't have to go to such lengths *reformatting* to get a video card working. Hell you shouldnt even need to use driver cleaner, but I digress.

Personally, I am betting the instablity is immature drivers. I am happy that everything is working well for you, but this is hardly an isolated incident.

This could very well be the case and I would be very happy if ATI could get us a real driver like yesterday, especially considering they released a driver for Vista that supports the 1900's, that is pretty weak.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: NeoV
how do you get a x1900xt card for 'less than $100'? Smells like crap to me.

Mine only cost around $100, I bought it for $500, my work reimburses me for 50% of any computer equipment I buy and I plan on getting around $150 for my X800XL.

500-250-150= $100


FTW.

 

[aggressor]

Originally posted by: NeoV
a few thoughts....

how do you get a x1900xt card for 'less than $100'? Smells like crap to me.

Also, if you run at 1280X960, you have no need whatsoever for this card - in fact your prior 7800GTX was overpowered for that resolution. If you can blow all this money on the newest video cards when they come out each time, get a real monitor first.

Also - "I haven't tried to overclock it yet' - what the hell benefit are you hoping to get running at that rez by overclocking? It's of no value whatsoever to you, period.

Your Q4 settings - there is a KNOWN issue with the Ultra settings, get over it.

A few thoughts on your pretty useless post:

1) I said $100 less than MSRP, which is $549. Figure it out.

2) 1280x1024 is probably one of the most common resolutions people run due to LCDs. I have a 22inch CRT and chose to run it because in most games, switching to 1600x1200 causes a 20~fps drop when AA\AF are enabled. That's pretty large.

3) I'm pretty sure I'm GPU limited in new games considering of the FPS drops when I raise the resolution. Overclocking would indeed speed things up.

4) I'm not using Ultra Settings, but thanks for assuming.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: dadach

No, I haven't formatted,

why even post of the problems if you have not done one BASIC thing you absolutely must do when installing a new card...especially when upgrading with the different brand of the card

you've got to be kidding. Having to reformat to install a new vid card is retarded. Choosing to do so is ok, but it shouldn't be considered basic, or required.

I've changed many many video cards in the past 20 years, I don't think I've ever HAD to reformat for anything, except virus/adware infections on other people's computers, who didn't know what they had to do to protect themselves on the internet.

My games machine WinXP operating system was installed July/2003 as an example. I've changed video cards, Nvidia and ATI, several times in that machine.

 

[5150Joker]

Aggressor, you should just end your aggrevation and return the card. Then get on the waiting list for a 512 GTX or see if Ronin or Rollo can get you one. Last I saw Ronin had 5 of the 20 boards ever made.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Aggressor, you should just end your aggrevation and return the card. Then get on the waiting list for a 512 GTX or see if Ronin or Rollo can get you one. Last I saw Ronin had 5 of the 20 boards ever made.

Your post screams fanboy. And so does your sig. Whatever credibility you had as being neutral is gone, at least for me. Telling another member to just give up on his hardware with the tone that he has no other alternative is quite immature and baby-like. Either help, or STFU please.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dadach

No, I haven't formatted,

why even post of the problems if you have not done one BASIC thing you absolutely must do when installing a new card...especially when upgrading with the different brand of the card

Please tell me it is my imagination that you just actually put your fingers to your keyboard, typed, and then hit the submit button to post this crap.. Please.....

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Aggressor, you should just end your aggrevation and return the card. Then get on the waiting list for a 512 GTX or see if Ronin or Rollo can get you one. Last I saw Ronin had 5 of the 20 boards ever made.

Your post screams fanboy. And so does your sig. Whatever credibility you had as being neutral is gone, at least for me. Telling another member to just give up on his hardware with the tone that he has no other alternative is quite immature and baby-like. Either help, or STFU please.

Oh yes Keys because you are the model of neutrality. :roll: Almost everyone has tried helping him in this thread but he insists nothing works for him. My suggestion to him is the next logical step: Get rid of the XT and get on the waiting list for the 512 GTX or ask Ronin or Rollo to see if they can get him one. Tomorrow I'll be an nV fanboy if I get a G71, of course you won't mind that. I'm a fan of the best hardware, not the company unlike you.

P.S. Never saw you crying about pics I put up of ATi when I had a GTX yet it seems the one in my sig has greatly disturbed you. Even Rollo got a good laugh out of my sig.

 

[Bull Dog]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
My x1800 XT crashes out of Far Cry EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's not liking DOD:S at all, though it plays HL2 just fine. The only game I'm happy with what it does in is COD2, which i thankfully play most. But for $500, i should be happy across the board.

The CCC wont even launch on my rig right now, the black CCC logo pops up, and stays there until i kill CLI.exe. At other times i've had the icon not appear in the tray. It truly is one big piece of crap.

This is becuase you do not have .net 1.1 installed. The 6.1 Cats don't like .net 2.0.


Oh and aggressor, are you overclocking you other components at all? And what kind of PSU do you have?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
My x1800 XT crashes out of Far Cry EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's not liking DOD:S at all, though it plays HL2 just fine. The only game I'm happy with what it does in is COD2, which i thankfully play most. But for $500, i should be happy across the board.

The CCC wont even launch on my rig right now, the black CCC logo pops up, and stays there until i kill CLI.exe. At other times i've had the icon not appear in the tray. It truly is one big piece of crap.

All this should give you a clue that there's something wrong with the driver and/or CCC installation on your system. If you think all these problems are just a routine thing with ATI cards, you're mistaken. Try uninstalling CCC and your drivers and reiinstall everything over again.