Yeesh, X1900XT may be fast, but it has issues.

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: aggressor

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Aggressor.. here's your CCC replacement:

ATITool 0.25 Beta 12 w/ X1900 support

That's an overclocking program. I assume you thought it was a newer version of ATI Tray Tools, which I believe still doesn't support the X1900XT.

Specs for the people who asked:
Athlon64 3200+ @ 2.5ghz (It's 100% stable, though I have set it to default and still had issues)
1GB Corsair Ram
X1900XT
SB X-FI ExtremeMusic
Forton BlueStorm 500w PSU[/quote]

Well, at least we can conclude you're getting enough power now.

 

[aggressor]

Hey, I'm not a novice. I didn't include system specs in the original post because I was almost certain they weren't the problem. It's software related, I think. That, or just a faulty card, though that seems more unlikely

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Almost everyone has tried helping him in this thread but he insists nothing works for him.

It seems to me that the guy is an Nvidia fan who just bought the XT so that he could piss and moan about it.

so, anyone who piss and moan about ATI hardware is an Nvidia fanboy?

My friend, you are the last person on these forums that should complain about labeling people fanboys, you are very quick to hand out that label yourself, without any shred of justification or evidence I might add.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Almost everyone has tried helping him in this thread but he insists nothing works for him.

It seems to me that the guy is an Nvidia fan who just bought the XT so that he could piss and moan about it.

so, anyone who piss and moan about ATI hardware is an Nvidia fanboy?

My friend, you are the last person on these forums that should complain about labeling people fanboys, you are very quick to hand out that label yourself, without any shred of justification or evidence I might add.

you too, are the last person who should complain people being fanboys, for you being an established ATI fanboy. You being in this thread adds nothing but flamewar, so please get out.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Almost everyone has tried helping him in this thread but he insists nothing works for him.

It seems to me that the guy is an Nvidia fan who just bought the XT so that he could piss and moan about it.

so, anyone who piss and moan about ATI hardware is an Nvidia fanboy?

My friend, you are the last person on these forums that should complain about labeling people fanboys, you are very quick to hand out that label yourself, without any shred of justification or evidence I might add.

you too, are the last person who should complain people being fanboys, for you being an established ATI fanboy. You being in this thread adds nothing but flamewar, so please get out.

PM me some evidence or stop using that term. You've already been slapped by the mods once.

I've also contributed a lot to this thread and no flamewars have ensued, what have you contributed besides flaming me? When we need advice on 9600XT's we'll be sure to call you.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Almost everyone has tried helping him in this thread but he insists nothing works for him.

It seems to me that the guy is an Nvidia fan who just bought the XT so that he could piss and moan about it.

so, anyone who piss and moan about ATI hardware is an Nvidia fanboy?

My friend, you are the last person on these forums that should complain about labeling people fanboys, you are very quick to hand out that label yourself, without any shred of justification or evidence I might add.

you too, are the last person who should complain people being fanboys, for you being an established ATI fanboy. You being in this thread adds nothing but flamewar, so please get out.

PM me some evidence or stop using that term. You've already been slapped by the mods once.

I've also contributed a lot to this thread and no flamewars have ensued, what have you contributed besides flaming me? When we need advice on 9600XT's we'll be sure to call you.

R580 has been hailed by most reviewers as a good product and the vast majority of people who actually have the card are happy with it.

once again, if you got nothing to contribute in this thread other than flaming me, please get out! obviously you have no real knowledge, none at all.

what have you contributed to the thread? NOTHING AT ALL ..

at least I suggested op to reinstall dx 9, then reinstall the driver .

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Woah!! Too clever for me. What shall I ever do and how long will it take me to get over it.... There's no place like home.... There's no place like home.... click, click, click......

You could always threaten to quit the Video Forums forever...





Again.





For the third time.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Woah!! Too clever for me. What shall I ever do and how long will it take me to get over it.... There's no place like home.... There's no place like home.... click, click, click......

You could always threaten to quit the Video Forums forever...





Again.





For the third time.

Why?

 

[Zebo]

These FEAR benchmarks make me want to trade my GTX for 1900 but those drivers and .net suck the big one. I installed them on x850xt and system ram use went from 62MB to 400MB. No thanks. The noise is of no issue to me since I'd slap a water block on it anyway. But I'm still waiting to see what nV produces before jumping on this card. It's good to be sure but I'm not that desperate.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Zebo
These FEAR benchmarks make me want to trade my GTX for 1900 but those drivers and .net suck the big one. I installed them on x850xt and system ram use went from 62MB to 400MB. No thanks. The noise is of no issue to me since I'd slap a water block on it anyway. But I'm still waiting to see what nV produces before jumping on this card. It's good to be sure but I'm not that desperate.

I completely agree with you. One issue that always makes me think before i get an ATi card is the CCC and .net. (Drivers are ok)

I wonder how the new NV control panel coming with FW85 drivers are going to be like. This is one reason i find NVs control panel/drivers is alot user friendly in terms of installation, functionality and stablilty.

 

[mooncancook]

I didn't even bother install CCC now. I may install it when 6.2 is released. btw what is the driver version that comes with the BBA X1900XT?

The fan is noisy compared to my X800XL with Zalman 700AlCu. I'll definately look for better aftermarket air cooling solution.

As for now, I haven't encountered any problem yet so I'm satisfied with the 10k+ 3DMark05 score at stock speed. I hope the AVIVO feature will live up since I already own a TV Wonder Elite.

 

[Cuular]

Just my .02 but I wouldn't be sure the power supply is pushing enough 12v amps. Since it's rated for a total of 30a, and only 15a being dedicated to the PCIe connector.

I just got done configuring a 1900CF system, and my original PSU was rated for 38a total on the 12v rails. But was flakey when enabling CF. Exactly the same symptoms I had when setting up a SLI system with 7800GTX's. The fix then, worked this time around. Find a power supply that drives the PCIe connectors with the amount of power the manufacturer suggests.

In this case for the 1900CF it is 38a recommended by ATI. I got a ThermalTake 680w with 38a dedicated to the PCIe connectors and magically everything is fixed.

The 1900 series is very power hungry, so I would recommend seeing if you can borrow a better PSU from someone/where and see if it helps. Something with at least 22a on the 12v connector that goes to the PCIe card.

Especially since you are already overclocking your CPU which puts a load on the PSU above normal.

 

[RobertR1]

Wow. How often are you guys fiddling around in the CCC? I swear, since I've owned the x1800xt, I've used the CCC for less than 20mins total, 10 of which were just browsing around.

So far, every option for gaming can by found by right clicking on the Ati sys tray icon.

 

[Capt Caveman]

FWIW - I just sold my GTX 512 and reinstalled my trusty x800xl. I ran Driver Cleaner Pro, rebooted, then Tweaknow RegCleaner(which found a lot of registry entries) and then rebooted. I installed the 6.1 CCC and no issues. If anything, I had a number of issues w/ my GTX 512 playing BF2 and it took over a month to resolve my issues.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
FWIW - I just sold my GTX 512 and reinstalled my trusty x800xl. I ran Driver Cleaner Pro, rebooted, then Tweaknow RegCleaner(which found a lot of registry entries) and then rebooted. I installed the 6.1 CCC and no issues. If anything, I had a number of issues w/ my GTX 512 playing BF2 and it took over a month to resolve my issues.

Just out of curiosity - how much did you sell it for?

 

[ArchAngel777]

OP,

You might want to consider changing the title to your thread. Since most X1900XT's work fine, you should probably change it to "Yeesh, X1900XT may be fast, but mine has issues". That way it reflects that it is a problem with yours specifically and not the the card itself on a whole.

 

[justly]

I see a lot of people think a reformat isn't required but everyone (as far as Ican tell) saying this also recommends using driver cleaner to remove the old drivers. If it is so important to use driver cleaner to remove old drivers then what is wrong with going one step further if the system still has issues after using driver cleaner?

Driver cleaner is a program, programs have flaws, video drivers also interact with other programs and get updated every month or so, does driver cleaner get updated with every new video driver? is there no way driver cleaner could have a flaw or miss a change in a file? what if a video driver rewrites a file that is part of something like Direct X, how will a driver cleaner know to rewite that file?

Using a driver cleaner may work most of the time but, a reformat WILL work every time, and since some people have already stated that after a reformat many problems have been solved I dont see the problem some people have believing that a format might help.

Driver cleaner might be a great program but to believe it is 100% as effective as a reformat sounds either very optomistic or down right foolish IMO.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: justly
I see a lot of people think a reformat isn't required but everyone (as far as Ican tell) saying this also recommends using driver cleaner to remove the old drivers. If it is so important to use driver cleaner to remove old drivers then what is wrong with going one step further if the system still has issues after using driver cleaner?

Driver cleaner is a program, programs have flaws, video drivers also interact with other programs and get updated every month or so, does driver cleaner get updated with every new video driver? is there no way driver cleaner could have a flaw or miss a change in a file? what if a video driver rewrites a file that is part of something like Direct X, how will a driver cleaner know to rewite that file?

Using a driver cleaner may work most of the time but, a reformat WILL work every time, and since some people have already stated that after a reformat many problems have been solved I dont see the problem some people have believing that a format might help.

Driver cleaner might be a great program but to believe it is 100% as effective as a reformat sounds either very optomistic or down right foolish IMO.

I've never used Driver Cleaner before and I've never reformat my computer to install new video card and I haven't had problem so far. IMO if installing a new hardware requires the use of a third party software like driver cleaner or reformating then it's bad engineering.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: mooncancook


I've never used Driver Cleaner before and I've never reformat my computer to install new video card and I haven't had problem so far. IMO if installing a new hardware requires the use of a third party software like driver cleaner or reformating then it's bad engineering.

I' m glad you have that kind of luck (or maybe its skill 🙂). I'm curious though who would you blame the "bad engineering" on? ...seems to me it would be the old hardware not the new since if nothing was left over/changed by the old hardware then the new should install as if it was a fresh format.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: mooncancook
I've never used Driver Cleaner before and I've never reformat my computer to install new video card and I haven't had problem so far. IMO if installing a new hardware requires the use of a third party software like driver cleaner or reformating then it's bad engineering.

Nothing to do with engineering and just plain bad installers and uninstallers. They don't properly remove all remnants of old video card drivers. ATI and nVidia are equally guilty of this, which is why Driver Cleaner was created. To remove all traces of old video card drivers.

 

[vaccarjm]

i have to agree with most here....x1900xtx is not ready for release......i miss my 512gtx nvidia.

I just dig all the ATI fanbois defending the hell out of the x1900xt. Anyone who disagrees that the ati fan is just as quiet as the nvidias 512 is a moron.

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: mooncancook


I've never used Driver Cleaner before and I've never reformat my computer to install new video card and I haven't had problem so far. IMO if installing a new hardware requires the use of a third party software like driver cleaner or reformating then it's bad engineering.

I' m glad you have that kind of luck (or maybe its skill 🙂). I'm curious though who would you blame the "bad engineering" on? ...seems to me it would be the old hardware not the new since if nothing was left over/changed by the old hardware then the new should install as if it was a fresh format.

No, it's fairly common with ATI products, but not nVidia, Sis, Intel, or S3/Via. It happens if your old card was ATI moving from a different brand or different brand moving to ATI, but ATI is the constant the majority of the time.

Reformatting /reinstall OS is ludicrous. Send the card back for a refund if it doesn't work to your satisfaction the day you bought it with the drivers available at that time. Waiting till later is only waiting till the vendor warranty is up. ATI has always had piss-poor drivers and having it work "sometimes" is not the same thing as working as well as most other brands and drivers do. Great hardware needs a great driver, not just a beta.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: mindless1
ATI has always had piss-poor drivers

Do you know why myths and misinformation get perpetuated on the Internet so much? Because of simple-minded people that believe and repeat everything they read. Your handle is fitting.

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: mindless1
ATI has always had piss-poor drivers

Do you know why myths and misinformation get perpetuated on the Internet so much? Because of simple-minded people that believe and repeat everything they read. Your handle is fitting.

Oddly I could care less if you feel that way, the proof IS out there but I'm too apathetic to bother. How many times will how many different people have to say it before your closed mind gets a clue?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Yreka
My only point to them was you shouldn't have to go to such lengths *reformatting* to get a video card working. Hell you shouldnt even need to use driver cleaner, but I digress.

Personally, I am betting the instablity is immature drivers. I am happy that everything is working well for you, but this is hardly an isolated incident.

This could very well be the case and I would be very happy if ATI could get us a real driver like yesterday, especially considering they released a driver for Vista that supports the 1900's, that is pretty weak.

I would consider ATI as well if they would also fix their OpenGL drivers, their Linux drivers and all of the problems that people are having with CCC.