Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: JS80
Yup. to me, this bailout is a bailout of the unions. letting the big 3 go bk would effectively bankrupt the uaw, and make this a much better country.
So the UAW is so powerful that putting them out of business would be better for the country? Interesting notion.
Please explain the myriad of benefits if the Detroit 3 file bankruptcy.
The company will have the protection to fix the business and not be hampered by a union. It may be they end up selling divisions to competitiors or outright be bought out. Either way what comes out on the other side should be in better shape to actually prosper in a world of higher energy prices. Not be required to come begging for tax payer handouts everytime the economy dips.
The airline industry went through this a few years ago.
Cute. I thought you'd explain how this would be better for the country, instead you use someone else's previous reply that didn't address the question. Your answer confirms my suspicions, but it's okay, I understand.
efficiency and productivity is better for the country. the UAW is the opposite of that.
Teachers, many state and municipal employees, mine workers, nurses, airline pilots, police, firefighters, and construction workers, just to name a few are typically union represented.
Would our country also be better off for these people to be non-represented? Some of these people are also represented by the UAW as they have been branching out for quite a number of years. So, I can assume that you don't travel by airplane, get sick, or live or work in a dwelling or structure? I'm basing this question on the following quote;
Yes, I would buy a car from a company that emerged from bk and is no longer made with union labor.
Here's some facts about efficiency at General Motors.
GM has the top transmission plant in North America.
Toledo, Ohio, ranked #1 at 2.37 hours per transmission.
GM has three of the top 10 assembly plants in North America.
Oshawa #1, Ontario, ranked #2 at 15.18 hours per vehicle.
Oshawa #2, Ontario, ranked #3 at 16.17 hours per vehicle.
Lordstown, Ohio, ranked #7 at 18.12 hours per vehicle.
GM vehicle assembly plants led in 11 of 20 North American assembly plant segments in which it competes--the most of any manufacturer:
Oshawa #2, Ontario (Grand Prix, Lacrosse) ranked first in the Midsize-Non-Premium Conventional Segment
Lansing Grand River, Mich. (STS) ranked first in the Midsize-Premium Conventional Segment
Oshawa #1, Ontario (Monte Carlo) ranked first in the Midsize-Non-Premium Sports Car Segment
Bowling Green, Ken. (Corvette, XLR) ranked first in the Midsize-Premium Sports Car Segment
Doraville, Ga. (Montana SV6, Relay, Terraza, Uplander) ranked first in the Midsize-Non-Premium Van Segment
Moraine, Ohio (9-7X) ranked first in the Midsize-Premium Utility Segment
Oshawa #1, Ontario (Impala) ranked first in the Large-Non-Premium Conventional Segment
Detroit-Hamtramck, Mich. (DTS) ranked first in the Large-Premium Conventional Segment
Arlington, Texas (Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon) ranked first in the Large-Non-Premium Utility Segment
Arlington, Texas (Escalade, Escalade ESV) ranked first in the Large-Premium Utility Segment
Wentzville, Mo. (Express, Savana) ranked first in the Large-Non-Premium Van Segment
GM has two of the top ten stamping plants in North America, based on the Stamping Index.
Silao, Mexico, ranked #5.
Parma, Ohio, ranked #9.
GM has five of the top 10 engine plants in North America.
Spring Hill, Tenn., ranked #2 at 2.53 hours per engine.
Flint South, Mich., ranked #5 at 3.07 hours per engine.
Flint North, Mich., ranked #6 at 3.09 hours per engine.
Tonawanda, New York, ranked #7 at 3.19 hours per engine.
Romulus, Mich., ranked #10 at 3.46 hours per engine.
GM led in three engine segments--up one from last year.
St. Catharines, Ontario, ranked #1 in 8 cylinder overhead valve.
Flint North, Mich., ranked #1 in 6 cylinder overhead valve.
Flint South, Mich., ranked #1 in 6 cylinder overhead cam.
These facts seem to dispel your belief that the UAW is a bastion of inefficiency. I base this on your comment below.
efficiency and productivity is better for the country. the UAW is the opposite of that.
You already stated that you have a huge disdain for the big 3 and the UAW. Why not leave it at that instead of making incorrect statements?
It's okay to have a hard-on for the UAW. Don't justify it by making false statements. You hate them, that's OK.
I'd really be curious to hear how they have wronged you for you to have such strong feelings against them.