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YAY!!! Freedom of speech alive and well in India.....

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brycejones said:
I think he is trying to make the argument that India bans all kind of shit under different governments so this is totally cool. Which completely misses the point.
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That would be a terrible argument to make!
Like arguing that it's ok for China to censor stuff now because they censor stuff about Tiananmen square.
Not even Braznor is that much of an idiot.
 
Braznor said:
You have a problem with a government tackling disinformation?
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Hindu pro-modi rioters douse moose lambs in kerosene and then lighting them afire.

Videos exist and were in that documentary.

Like you said, "You have a problem with a government tackling disinformation"?
 
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Modi declared publicly that a bus fire in 2002 resulting in the deaths of 59 Hindu pilgrims was terrorist arson committed by local Muslims. The next day, rioting started, resulting in the deaths of at least 1000 people, most of them Muslim.

Years later Indian courts convicted a bunch of Muslims in relation to the arson, but what caused the fire is still disputed, with outside investigators still saying it was an accident.

But even if Modi was correct and certain Muslims were responsible, he said it was Muslims before there was sufficient proof of who was responsible. And there was a direct relationship between his public statements and the rioting, which started the next day. And none of that is even addressing the controversial issue of how the riots were handled by police once started, which is to say, that even if there was nothing wrong in any of that, Modi remains responsible for stoking those riots.

Modi is like Trump in relation to 1/6, where he incites violent rioting and then technically isn't held criminally responsible because nothing they could find in his discharge of duties as a public official was technically a crime. It seems that no matter what legal system, fomenting a riot, in this case targetting "undesirable" groups with heated rhetoric which was reaonably likely to cause violence, is not a crime, particularly when done by a public official.

Yet Modi is guilty of being a fascist piece of shit. Ethnic and religious nationalism are clear and present dangers to democracy in the world, including both India and the US.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Modi is like Trump in relation to 1/6, where he incites violent rioting and then technically isn't held criminally responsible because nothing they could find in his discharge of duties as a public official was technically a crime. It seems that no matter what legal system, fomenting a riot, in this case targetting "undesirable" groups with heated rhetoric which was reaonably likely to cause violence, is not a crime, particularly when done by a public official.
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But but but it was just "normal political discourse"; it just happened to involve the deaths of 100s of Antifa (ie Muslims). No loss, so no big deal.

/s
 
Braznor said:
Hey Bidelette,

There are plenty of articles on why the documentary is a hitjob in Indian sites. All you need is Google and a brain to access them all from the comfort of your home. Also all the slander in the documentary has already been proved false in the HIGHEST COURT OF LAW relevant to India and I wouldn't waste my time spoonfeeding you especially considering your motives here are as hollow as a pipe.
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So, you admit you're lacking a brain? You can't provide a single one yet supposedly its so easy just using Google. Then, Mr Scarecrow, show us that you really have a brain, otherwise you're just making yourself the strawman argument.

Shitty op-eds aren't facts, by the way. Only moronic right wing dumbfucks fall for that stupidity. Provide objective evidence based factual debunking or else people are just going to keep mocking your complete failure of intelligence.

dawp said:
so who gets to define what is and what isn't disinformation?
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Braznor's asshole apparently, because that's where he's pulled all his "facts" and "truth" from.
 
WelshBloke said:
That documentary was released in January 2023.
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Since you are slow, I will repeat it again slowly. Bear with me here:

Things....got.....Banned........even....before.....the.....BJP........government.

Is that slow enough for you? Or do you need a coloring book for me to illustrate the point to you?
 
brycejones said:
I think he is trying to make the argument that India bans all kind of shit under different governments so this is totally cool. Which completely misses the point.
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WelshBloke said:
That would be a terrible argument to make!
Like arguing that it's ok for China to censor stuff now because they censor stuff about Tiananmen square.
Not even Braznor is that much of an idiot.
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Braznor said:
Since you are slow, I will repeat it again slowly. Bear with me here:

Things....got.....Banned........even....before.....the.....BJP........government.

Is that slow enough for you? Or do you need a coloring book for me to illustrate the point to you?
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@WelshBloke Told you. 😀
 
woolfe9998 said:
Modi declared publicly that a bus fire in 2002 resulting in the deaths of 59 Hindu pilgrims was terrorist arson committed by local Muslims. The next day, rioting started, resulting in the deaths of at least 1000 people, most of them Muslim.

Years later Indian courts convicted a bunch of Muslims in relation to the arson, but what caused the fire is still disputed, with outside investigators still saying it was an accident.

But even if Modi was correct and certain Muslims were responsible, he said it was Muslims before there was sufficient proof of who was responsible. And there was a direct relationship between his public statements and the rioting, which started the next day. And none of that is even addressing the controversial issue of how the riots were handled by police once started, which is to say, that even if there was nothing wrong in any of that, Modi remains responsible for stoking those riots.

Modi is like Trump in relation to 1/6, where he incites violent rioting and then technically isn't held criminally responsible because nothing they could find in his discharge of duties as a public official was technically a crime. It seems that no matter what legal system, fomenting a riot, in this case targetting "undesirable" groups with heated rhetoric which was reaonably likely to cause violence, is not a crime, particularly when done by a public official.

Yet Modi is guilty of being a fascist piece of shit. Ethnic and religious nationalism are clear and present dangers to democracy in the world, including both India and the US.
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part of the problem is that all of the people in his admin at the time as governor and were there when this was going down, and then spoke publicly about Modi ordering the police to ignore and do nothing about the machete-wielding Hindu nationalist sociopaths...all ended up murdered by, I think, 2015 or so.
 
The Hindu religion is big in India so a Hindu religious party has an advantage to become a majority party. This is because India is a democracy. But we know what happens when one group of people have one idea about what the truth is and another group, perhaps smaller in number, has another idea about what the truth is. The sacred cow beliefs of the majority will demand the extermination of any competitive alternative thinking. There is no hope for India so long as religion wins elections and people hold their own ideas to be superior to the beliefs of others. But if democracy is preserved Modi can always be voted out should it become the will of the people.

I can't see how a democracy can tolerate violent protest or violent suppression of free speech and expression. The war should be confined to the ballot box and the hope of conscious evolution and the freeing of ego attachment to isms.
 
Braznor said:
Since you are slow, I will repeat it again slowly. Bear with me here:

Things....got.....Banned........even....before.....the.....BJP........government.

Is that slow enough for you? Or do you need a coloring book for me to illustrate the point to you?
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So your argument really is "because things got banned before it's fine for Modi to ban whatever he wants"?
Really?
 
WelshBloke said:
So your argument really is "because things got banned before it's fine for Modi to ban whatever he wants"?
Really?
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'The only news that ever escapes the country is anti-Modi propaganda without facts. If you don't live here, you just can't know the reality on the ground. Yadda yadda yadda.'

You'll have to forgive his special flavor of clowntard. Don't bother using facts, they'll just deny or ignore them even worse than taj.
 
Pohemi said:
'The only news that ever escapes the country is anti-Modi propaganda without facts. If you don't live here, you just can't know the reality on the ground. Yadda yadda yadda.'

You'll have to forgive his special flavor of clowntard. Don't bother using facts, they'll just deny or ignore them even worse than taj.
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Does Braznor live in Gujarat? I thought that he was posting from the US.
 
Braznor said:
Eh, the students were detained because they were creating trouble in the streets, not because they screened the documentary. It was the University personnel who approached the police to detain the students causing trouble and not Modi.
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^^^ There's your fake news and disinformation campaign right there.
 
BoomerD said:
FWIW, I don't know how accurate the BBC documentary is...or isn't, but people SHOULD be allowed to make up their own minds.
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I do not honestly believe in that notion, when it comes to Fox News.

Observe how people behave and you will quickly learn that propaganda rules, it conquers sanity. People are fickle and can be lead to believing in anything. Our basic human instincts are programed for tribal, religious, zealotry. Anyone and anything can misuse our behavior and use it to nefarious ends. Just look at the United States...

Now, I understand wading through BS in a civil manner is preferable to violence. But what if your opponents are stirring up civil unrest? Can they be allowed to pour fuel, light a match, and burn the whole place down? Allowing propaganda to exist and air, that would be like sitting by and watching an arson prepare to kill you and everyone you hold dear. At some point you're not going to just sit back and watch them come for you. You'll strike back.

So we come to the issue of free speech. People "making up their own minds" is somewhat fake. I am afraid it just doesn't apply to how people behave. Ultimately, we are allowing some very dangerous things to exist and to air under the guise of free speech. This could all come back to hurt us very badly, assuming January 6th was just a dry run at the real thing. Many people holding office stand by those actions to this day. Their media continues to empower them, grow their base, and prepare more people to support the next attack.

Suppose what I am saying for this topic is... glass houses... that and, humans aren't as wise as Americans like to pretend.
 
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