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Moonbeam

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So infringing the 1st amendment is OK?
You make a valid point. Perhaps if we were not such emotional leachers in need of smelling salt stimulation to remind us we are alive and had some real ethical enotional understanding of how we are being played, how our need to fixate of the monsters among us is why they seek to entertain us with their desires to make us sick, we could turn on the media and shame them for making those monsters famous as we turn off our TVs. But we are the media. We have no shame so why would they. If it bleeds it leads so:

Dear God in Heaven give us our daily blood.
 

HomerJS

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OMG, What gave you the idea I am defending MTG? She is also a loon and can't be defended by any sane person. LOL

I didn't mention AOC specifically, only the Squad which as a whole are pretty stupid and rank right up there with MTG.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn't as bad, but has some pretty nutty ideals which I totally disagree with.

Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley are just bat shit crazy in my opinion.
AOC is a member of The Squad and you were the one trying to equate extremes on both sides. You can't name one single thing she has sone to make a #bothsides.

Ok, I'll bite let's try
Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley

Name one thing any one of them has done that is comparable to MTG. Since you were the one who is #bothsides on extremes. Or maybe you just get talking points from Fox News.
 
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kitkat22

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Can we define mental health? Are we talking anxiety, depression? Schizophrenia? Bipolar?

Actually, it's less mental health and more despair. It's society pushing people to a perceived brink such they feel there is no alternative.

We already see the effects of echo chambers and repected false narratives around the country. The repeated words leave some with the idea they must act because no one else will. J6 is a perfect example of having people see a perceived threat and following blindly through. Many school shooters point to some prior perceived history of some form of injustice and again feel they must act. We push people to financial ruin and again they perceive no help or escape. Maybe they felt wronged my their prior employer.

We literally do not see "mental health" patients running around like that. Sure there may be a small history but I would also point to lgbtq as well. The suicide rate is high because these people see no other out. They, including me, have spent years trying to meet society's expectations. We go into despair and for many that is their out.

You want things to change? Start by supporting and listening to each other. Let people know they are heard and listened. Give people an opportunity to open their mouth and express concerns. We need to create networks of people not barriers of walls. Legislatively, this gets to appropriate social safety nets and rebuilding trust in our government.

There will always be bad guys with guns but the answer is to give the bad guys a reason not to use them. Not more guns.

We need to fix despair.
 
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Moonbeam

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Can we define mental health? Are we talking anxiety, depression? Schizophrenia? Bipolar?

I personally can't answer that question. I do not know to what degree any of those could be mostly genetic or environmentally induced. I suspect it's a mixed bag. If any of the ones you listed have an environmental component, I believe that part can potentially be fixed. This the function of psychiatry, to make conscious to the patient the events that created the feelings behind the illness opening a door to freedom from negative past experience.



Actually, it's less mental health and more despair. It's society pushing people to a perceived brink such they feel there is no alternative.

We already see the effects of echo chambers and repected false narratives around the country. The repeated words leave some with the idea they must act because no one else will. J6 is a perfect example of having people see a perceived threat and following blindly through. Many school shooters point to some prior perceived history of some form of injustice and again feel they must act. We push people to financial ruin and again they perceive no help or escape. Maybe they felt wronged my their prior employer.

We literally do not see "mental health" patients running around like that. Sure there may be a small history but I would also point to lgbtq as well. The suicide rate is high because these people see no other out. They, including me, have spent years trying to meet society's expectations. We go into despair and for many that is their out.

You want things to change? Start by supporting and listening to each other. Let people know they are heard and listened. Give people an opportunity to open their mouth and express concerns. We need to create networks of people not barriers of walls. Legislatively, this gets to appropriate social safety nets and rebuilding trust in our government.

There will always be bad guys with guns but the answer is to give the bad guys a reason not to use them. Not more guns.

We need to fix despair.
I very much agree with this.

Despair is a mental condition based on belief, the belief that the world is not some way we believe that if it were that way it would make us happy. This is the source of the suffering and misery. I believe that belief is created by the inculcation in childhood of the notion that we are too worthless do be worthy of anything positive, a feeling so painful it has to be repressed. When life events conspire via some kind of life event that triggers that sense of failure, we will kill in the hope that making someone else suffer will make us feel better, that we have re-balanced the scales of justice. All of this killing will center around someone or something making us feel that deeply hidden feeling of worthlessness.

Fortunately for you, I also believe, you have suffered so deeply and climbed out of negativity so far it would simply be absurd, with all the evidence to the contrary, that you are actually worthless. Feeling, however, are difficult to change simply by reasoning. For me the irrational came in the night after years of despair, having lost all hope that life is good. I asked myself why do I suffer over and over again. Not this not this than what, deeper and deeper with pinpoint focus I went. A gust of wind hip my house, my conscious awareness shifter to me aware of the wind, and despair disappeared. I understood everything that I needed. To be alive listening to the wind is a beautiful thing. The mind free of a need for hope is a great place to be. It was everything I ever hoped for.
 

ch33zw1z

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AOC is a member of The Squad and you were the one trying to equate extremes on both sides. You can't name one single thing she has sone to make a #bothsides.

Ok, I'll bite let's try


Name one thing any one of them has done that is comparable to MTG. Since you were the one who is #bothsides on extremes. Or maybe you just get talking points from Fox News.

It’s not even a valid comparison. He uses “the squad” to try and point out the #bothsides but fails to understand the GOP is voting lock step for the policies while Dem’s are not.

When Dem’s disagree on issues, the media likes to report it as turmoil in the party.

When GOP disagrees on issues, they just boot those few who would dare challenge the party line

It’s a pathetic attempt at equalizing the extremism found across the GOP.

Not even close to reality, sounds on par for a tribal voter like pcgeek

Pretty sad fr fr. Republicans went off the rails in ‘08 when Obama was elected, and he’s in denial about it
 

purbeast0

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Can we define mental health?
It is a cop out that the gun nutters use because they are too selfish to get rid of the root of the problem. Sure there are people with mental health issues, but it has become a buzzword in the past decade or so to talk about whenever there is a mass shooting.

And for some very strange reason, the gun nutters don't think it is possible to address both the mental health issue AND the gun issue.

Speaking of me mental health issues, I think this rep may have something going on.

 

Pens1566

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It is a cop out that the gun nutters use because they are too selfish to get rid of the root of the problem. Sure there are people with mental health issues, but it has become a buzzword in the past decade or so to talk about whenever there is a mass shooting.

And for some very strange reason, the gun nutters don't think it is possible to address both the mental health issue AND the gun issue.

Speaking of me mental health issues, I think this rep may have something going on.


Shit like this is why I think we're headed someplace really really bad.
 
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kitkat22

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It is a cop out that the gun nutters use because they are too selfish to get rid of the root of the problem. Sure there are people with mental health issues, but it has become a buzzword in the past decade or so to talk about whenever there is a mass shooting.

And for some very strange reason, the gun nutters don't think it is possible to address both the mental health issue AND the gun issue.

Speaking of me mental health issues, I think this rep may have something going on.

Ah, so it's like "woke" then.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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It is a cop out that the gun nutters use because they are too selfish to get rid of the root of the problem. Sure there are people with mental health issues, but it has become a buzzword in the past decade or so to talk about whenever there is a mass shooting.

And for some very strange reason, the gun nutters don't think it is possible to address both the mental health issue AND the gun issue.

Speaking of me mental health issues, I think this rep may have something going on.


Wow, that guy is straight up tone deaf

My reply: great point, none. The answer is none, that’s how many guns you should own
 

nakedfrog

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Jesus, you’re amazing. The number of people who would support the sosition you provided would be almost nobody at all, not 90%. Check your sarcasm meter.

I have made it quite clear that most people are for rational ways to eliminate gun violence. The argument is over what different people on the political spectrum regard as rational. Democrats supporting banning guns for their own so called reasons throw gas on the rate of gun sales because of, well you know, stupidity.
Yes, I am, and I appreciate you noticing.
 

HomerJS

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OMG, What gave you the idea I am defending MTG? She is also a loon and can't be defended by any sane person. LOL

I didn't mention AOC specifically, only the Squad which as a whole are pretty stupid and rank right up there with MTG.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn't as bad, but has some pretty nutty ideals which I totally disagree with.

Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley are just bat shit crazy in my opinion.
Well Mr. #bothsides let's expand. Including The Squad, name any Democrat that is comparable to this...

Ever stop to think you comparison of extremists on both sides is nothing more than Tucker Carlson talking points? You just regurgitate shit with nothing to back it up. Are you capable of thinking on your own?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Unfortunately MTG is a loony bird. I wish she would go away and take Santos with her. :(
MTG is the personification of the right and Republicans. Whenever you people try to #bothsides any position I just bring up MTG and there is no comparison. There is no level of evil and crazy on the left that compares. Your party doesn't condemn her so they are cool with it. You constantly bring up AOC. She is a decent human being and a true believer. MTG is just plain heinous.

You people tried to compare the protests in Tennessee to the Jan 6 insurrection and I remind you MTG and Lauren Bobert were not expelled for their decorum violations at the SOTU.

Maybe you need to ask Republican leadership why Santos is still in office. I know why, Republicans are just like Santos so they are afraid to jettison him.