YASeCT: guy goes ballistic after guards try to take his camera, gets shot at

[Zorba]

When the police arrive (later in the video), it is called an "Accidental Discharge", a number of times.

BS and does it matter? Better not have your finger on the trigger if you aren't planning on shooting.

BTW: I think Skidmore was out of line and took it too far. But guard that fired the weapon was out of line the entire time. I think the second guard (who got bit) was probably reasonable considering what happened at that point. Although trying to claim Skidmore down probably would've been a lot better than cussing at him, which does nothing but increase his fear level.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

BS and does it matter? Better not have your finger on the trigger if you aren't planning on shooting.

BTW: I think Skidmore was out of line and took it too far. But guard that fired the weapon was out of line the entire time. I think the second guard (who got bit) was probably reasonable considering what happened at that point. Although trying to claim Skidmore down probably would've been a lot better than cussing at him, which does nothing but increase his fear level.

I think that the situation, could have been handled, considerably better, by the first security guard (who fired the shot).

He should have tried gently explaining the situation to the man (Skidmore), and quietly asked him to leave. If after a reasonable length of time, Skidmore was refusing to listen/leave. Then the security guard(s), could have been more forceful (depending on how far they are allowed to go, given their jobs and responsibilities etc).

Also he should have handled his firearm, MUCH more responsibly. Someone (and it could have been an innocent bystander or security guard), could have easily been killed in that situation.

I think they later changed the "Accidental Discharge" claim, to one of "Intentionally firing the weapon".

The report also makes no mention of the gunfire, which a guard describes in the video as being an “accidental discharge,” but is now being reported by the sheriff as being “intentional.”

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[highland145]

He put the camera up to her name badge or some shit. People are so fucking weak. They were looking for any reason to get rid of the dude.

lol PC like...

 

[highland145]

The report also makes no mention of the gunfire, which a guard describes in the video as being an “accidental discharge,” but is now being reported by the sheriff as being “intentional.”

lol
I could tell that by his appropriate actions against the perp after firing....

 

[JSt0rm]

Anyways its ohio. The dude with the shitty gopro/sandles/shorts has the same horrible existence as everyone else in the room, regardless if he spends life in prison or not.

 

[Zorba]

I think that the situation, could have been handled, considerably better, by the first security guard (who fired the shot).

He should have tried gently explaining the situation to the man (Skidmore), and quietly asked him to leave. If after a reasonable length of time, Skidmore was refusing to listen/leave. Then the security guard(s), could have been more forceful (depending on how far they are allowed to go, given their jobs and responsibilities etc).

Also he should have handled his firearm, MUCH more responsibly. Someone (and it could have been an innocent bystander or security guard), could have easily been killed in that situation.

I think they later changed the "Accidental Discharge" claim, to one of "Intentionally firing the weapon".



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I completely agree.

 

[brianmanahan]

Anyways its ohio. The dude with the s****y gopro/sandles/shorts has the same horrible existence as everyone else in the room, regardless if he spends life in prison or not.

ohio is actually pretty good

 

[JSt0rm]

ohio is actually pretty good

No. I grew up there I know.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

He put the camera up to her name badge or some shit. People are so fucking weak. They were looking for any reason to get rid of the dude.

You CAN'T suddenly grab a young ladies name tag, and arm/shoulder, while filming the whole thing at close range. That is NOT appropriate.
I could NOT see exactly what took place, as that camera was at the wrong angle to see it, exactly.

 

[brianmanahan]

No. I grew up there I know.

so did i. very low COL + possible to make a very good salary = win in my book. nice summer/fall and passable winter/spring.

plus winter gets cold enough that hobos can't survive them, so they don't live here all year long like they do out in CA.

 

[JSt0rm]

so did i. very low COL + possible to make a very good salary = win in my book. nice summer/fall and passable winter/spring.

plus winter gets cold enough that hobos can't survive them, so they don't live here all year long like they do out in CA.

lol if you are over 25 and still in ohio.

 

[Subyman]

What happened to dudes slugging it out? Need to start shaming people that use guns in a fist fight.

 

[JSt0rm]

What happened to dudes slugging it out? Need to start shaming people that use guns in a fist fight.

Guns have pussified most white americans

 

[Subyman]

Guns have pussified most white americans

All Americans actually.

 

[MrPickins]

What happened to dudes slugging it out? Need to start shaming people that use guns in a fist fight.

What happened to the passive resistance, or at least not starting a fist fight at a city council(?) meeting?

 

[Subyman]

What happened to the passive resistance, or at least not starting a fist fight at a city council(?) meeting?

I agree. The guy was a huge idiot in the room. He should have been removed for interrupting the meeting IMO. However, the guard wildly firing while there were people sitting right in front of him was insane. Completely inept security guard. If a "guard" can't stand toe-to-toe with an aging photographer then he shouldn't be a "guard." Notice the other guard easily takes him to the ground and subdues him without blasting the room.

 

[Darwin333]

The guards seem to have badges on their belts, but they made no orders to him - they just grabbed at him, which I think is wrong. The moron that fired the gun is lucky he didn't hit someone else in the room. Skidmore tried to back away and was tethered by his camera around his neck (for whatever reason...) He then punched and tried to back away, saw a gun and went back in.

Dunno about you, but I think that, given there was no "sir, I'm asking you to leave" at the outset, just the guard grabbing...you could argue it was defense.

I think the fact that the camera was tethered around his neck changes things a bit. There was no way for the guard to grab the camera without taking the guys head along for the ride. And as you said, they didn't tell him to hand over the camera or put it away or anything, he just grabbed it.

OTOH, the man was very quick to go to blows and that looks badly on him.

The security guard that fired the shot should be charged with a crime. He is damn lucky that he didn't hit a bystander.

 

[Darwin333]

I didn't say grabbing the camera was not assault. That depends on whether the officer had any legal authority to take it. I do think these officers mishandled the situation, in any event.

That very issue is the nub of why your hypothetical is so different from this situation. There are indisputably situations in which a police officer can lawfully take a camera from a civilian. There is no situation (at least not that I can think of) in which a civilian is legally authorized to take a camera from a police officer by force.

As I said, if Skidmore had just passively resisted their taking the camera, this would have been a totally different scenario. I don't see how the officers taking his camera justified his whaling on them and biting one in the face.

I am open to seeing one or both of these officers prosecuted as well, but that does not change my opinion that it's appropriate to charge Skidmore.

I thought they were security guards and not actual police? Especially since the people in the room were saying "call 911". If they were actual police they would have just radioed in.

 

[sm625]

Those sackless wannabe pigs assulted him first. He was simply defending himself.

 

[TheSlamma]

Ohio

 

[WelshBloke]

I like the whole "how dare you bite me" outrage by the security guard.
Your mate just tried to kill him, you can't really expect him to be chill.

 

[Nebor]

lol @ this old man wrecking these two security guards. What a bunch of clowns.

 

[Subyman]

lol @ this old man wrecking these two security guards. What a bunch of clowns.

Bet that guard thinks twice before grabbing someone's camera again :biggrin:

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Bet that guard thinks twice before grabbing someone's camera again :biggrin:

Why? He got to put this guy in jail, he won't face consequences for his actions, and will likely be labeled a hero. It's like win-win-win for this guy. It will probably become a staple tactic for him in the future, as he has learned that grabbing someone's camera has a good chance of causing them to react in a way that you can charge them with a crime for.

 

[Nebor]

Why? He got to put this guy in jail, he won't face consequences for his actions, and will likely be labeled a hero. It's like win-win-win for this guy. It will probably become a staple tactic for him in the future, as he has learned that grabbing someone's camera has a good chance of causing them to react in a way that you can charge them with a crime for.

That guy's getting fired. Private security guards aren't supposed to use their guns. They're a deterent. The liability of keeping this guy around is too much for most private security firms to tolerate.