Yang the universal income guy

[Fanatical Meat]

Wants to form a third party.
I still don’t get the fascination with this guy however I’ll hear him out.
Seems like a good and bad idea all wrapped up in one.

Yang says he has left Democratic Party

 

[woolfe9998]

We better hope he doesn't run independent or third party in 2024 because he'll siphon more votes from D than R.

 

[Lezunto]

I could care less about Yang. Let him form a third party.

 

[shortylickens]

He appears to be less full of shit than most Democrats and Republicans.
Same reason people like Bernie.

But thats not as big a virtue as it used to be. Donald Trump was clearly full of shit and tens of millions of people loved him for it. So, maybe horse shit sells better than pancakes.

 

[Lezunto]

I never liked Bernie. He has all the appeal of the kindly grandfather at your aunt's nursing home who spills glass after glass of prune juice.

Bernie believed the heavens anointed him to be king. His pitch for Democratic Socialism was as nonsensical as him trying to imitate a great orator.

Yeah, many people believed his crap. So much so, that more than 10% of them who remained butthurt over Hillary winning the Dem nomination, voted for Trump in the general.

Bernie never dissuaded them. But it was his crack that Black people need to be polite to cops at a time they were killing and brutalizing People of Color that made me dislike him intensely.

If he had any decency, he would demand his Progressive minions accept their reconciliation bill total must be lowered, lest they destroy Biden's presidency and any chance Dems have of stopping Republicans from retaking the White House.

But like I said. He thinks he's the favored one.

 

[Brainonska511]

Forming a third party in a first past the post system is a big waste of time.

 

[nakedfrog]

I never liked Bernie. He has all the appeal of the kindly grandfather at your aunt's nursing home who spills glass after glass of prune juice.

Bernie believed the heavens anointed him to be king. His pitch for Democratic Socialism was as nonsensical as him trying to imitate a great orator.

Yeah, many people believed his crap. So much so, that more than 10% of them who remained butthurt over Hillary winning the Dem nomination, voted for Trump in the general.

Bernie never dissuaded them. But it was his crack that Black people need to be polite to cops at a time they were killing and brutalizing People of Color that made me dislike him intensely.

If he had any decency, he would demand his Progressive minions accept their reconciliation bill total must be lowered, lest they destroy Biden's presidency and any chance Dems have of stopping Republicans from retaking the White House.

But like I said. He thinks he's the favored one.

Oh, bullshit.

 

[nickqt]

Forming a third party in a first past the post system is a big waste of time.

Great for making money or punishing people who you mostly agree with though.

 

[eelw]

With how little support he got in NYC Mayor dem candidate, he won't peel off support as an independent in 2024

 

[Lezunto]

To those who think I am making up that 10% of Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump, here ya go:

Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump

Yes, Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for President Trump could have cost Hillary Clinton the election. But then, about the same share of Republican primary voters defected to Clinton.

www.npr.org

 

[Lezunto]

And here is more proof:

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Become President

Bernie Sanders supporters didn't just stay at home, they voted for Donald Trump in significant numbers last November.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Lezunto]

The original goal of Bernie Bots was to destroy the Democratic Party. They failed miserably in 2016 and 2020.

But they'd still like to accomplish their silly goal.

This is why so many Progressives are adamant about screwing up Biden's plans to help all people who live in this country.

Even though most U.S. voters support Biden's plan, the Progressive's $3.5 trillion price tag and take-no-prisoners attitude has turned off even Sanders. He admits the price tag must be reduced.

 

[MrSquished]

The original goal of Bernie Bots was to destroy the Democratic Party. They failed miserably in 2016 and 2020.

But they'd still like to accomplish their silly goal.

This is why so many Progressives are adamant about screwing up Biden's plans to help all people who live in this country.

Even though most U.S. voters support Biden's plan, the Progressive's $3.5 trillion price tag and take-no-prisoners attitude has turned off even Sanders. He admits the price tag must be reduced.

Got any evidence that Sanders is against the 3.5 trillion price tag? Sanders was the one that started at 6 trillion. Sanders is quoted right here just a couple weeks ago completely refuting your point, saying the Dems have already compromised down to the 3.5, and in fact calling the 3.5 trillion too low. I think you just are just making shit up at this point.

Sanders says Democrats are "going to come together" on reconciliation bill

"The $3.5 trillion is much too low. A compromise has already been made, an agreement has been made," Sanders said.

www.cbsnews.com

"Despite the unflinching opposition to the $3.5 trillion price tag from Manchin and Sinema, Sanders indicated Sunday that he will not scale down the legislation to win their support.

"I have already made, and my colleagues have made a major compromise, going from six trillion down to three and a half trillion," Sanders said. "Right now what we are doing is we are engaging with the House and the Senate. It is a complicated proposal. All I am telling you is the $3.5 trillion is much too low. A compromise has already been made; an agreement has been made.""


Literally 48 Dems would vote yes to 3.5 trillion right now but to you it's the progressives holding things up. What a crock.

 

[Lezunto]

Got any evidence that Sanders is against the 3.5 trillion price tag? Sanders was the one that started at 6 trillion. Sanders is quoted right here just a few weeks ago completely refuting your point, saying the Dems have already compromised down to the 3.5, and in fact calling the 3.5 trillion too low. I think you just are just making shit up at this point.

I really wonder why so many posters in these forums never bother to read the latest news.

You really should stop with the juvenile insults.

Bernie Sanders says spending bill's $3.5 trillion price tag likely to be lowered

On ABC's "This Week," Sen. Bernie Sanders said the social spending bill's $3.5 trillion price tag likely to be lowered.

abcnews.go.com

 

[MrSquished]

I really wonder why so many posters in these forums never bother to read the latest news.

You really should stop with the juvenile insults.

Bernie Sanders says spending bill's $3.5 trillion price tag likely to be lowered

On ABC's "This Week," Sen. Bernie Sanders said the social spending bill's $3.5 trillion price tag likely to be lowered.

abcnews.go.com

That's not the point. You implied Bernie has been against the progressive's price tag. You literally said THE PROGRESSIVES 3.5 TRILLION PRICE TAG HAS TURNED OFF EVEN SANDERS. Let me help refresh your memory:

Even though most U.S. voters support Biden's plan, the Progressive's $3.5 trillion price tag and take-no-prisoners attitude has turned off even Sanders. He admits the price tag must be reduced.

which I clearly showed he was not, and in fact wanted way more just two weeks ago, and for the last many many months.

He is only backing down due to Manchin and Sinema being total assholes, not because he thinks the progressives were unreasonable, and not at all because he thinks the price tag was too high, which YOU IMPLIED. Nowhere did you prove that Sanders was against the higher price tag. In fact he wanted more, as I posted and quoted him, at 6 trillion.

Do you even know what you type when you type it, or do I need to help you remember what you posted just a half hour ago?

 

[MrSquished]

And also, 48 Dems would vote for 3.5 trillion tomorrow, Harris would break the tie representing the Biden admin, and you want to say the progressives are the problem. Literally 96% of Democratic Senators and their entire House majority would vote yes, and the Biden administration would vote yes via Harris. That's pretty much all the Dems. It's literally just two Senators holding this up, a tiny fraction of the Dems, not the progressives whatsoever. You are just making shit up as you go along to fit your own narrative.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yang has tons of the Bernie Bro d-bags around him and I think he's also said some possibly problematic things (been a bit but I recall reading an article about how problematic his campaign was becoming when he was running in NYC). He'll end up having the same problem Sanders did with Dems, and I think he knows it. And chances are conservatives will pay for him to fuck things up and he'll gladly do it thinking he's working towards and end that justifies the means when it'll end up not achieving what he wants (his policies enacted).

To those who think I am making up that 10% of Bernie Sanders supporters voted for Trump, here ya go:

Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump

Yes, Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for President Trump could have cost Hillary Clinton the election. But then, about the same share of Republican primary voters defected to Clinton.

www.npr.org

I don't think people are calling bullshit that a lot of the Bernie Bros voted for Turmp. I think most people here knows this.

Their issue is you saying Bernie set out to destroy the Democratic party, that he was out for himself and thinks he's been deemed the king of liberals or whatever you were saying, or that he actually opposes the price tag of the Biden plan. He's just trying to compromise to get it through instead of it getting completely stalled.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Their issue is you saying Bernie set out to destroy the Democratic party...

I will grant you that "destroy" isn't the right word. But Bernie clearly set out to effectively co-opt the Democratic party during the 2016 presidential campaign (in very much the same way that Trump successfully co-opted the Republican party), and the damage he and his followers did to the Democratic party (especially after Clinton won the nomination) contributed to Trump's election. That is something that I will never forgive.

 

[Arkaign]

Yang seems a bit ahead of his time, because the primary issues he's really up to speed on (the massive incoming wave of automation) simply won't get attention until serious impacts begin to be felt on a massive scale.

I disagree with his idea to create or act with a third party, I think he could do better working from within the Democratic party, though I understand the hesitancy with regards to how slimy national politics are. The Republicans are worse overall, but it's a sorry business all the way around.

Until we can have any hope of reversing Citizens United, regulatory capture, and other examples of concentrated corruption and manipulation of our government, there really isn't too much hope to be seen.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Until we can have any hope of reversing Citizens United, regulatory capture, and other examples of concentrated corruption and manipulation of our government, there really isn't too much hope to be seen.

-And the only hope we have of that is guys like Yang swallowing that bitter pill and working inside the existing power structure than excluding themselves from it entirely.

We are living in a brave new world, Americans are too fat and distracted rise up and refresh that tree of liberty. Yang thinks going third party is going to somehow draw attention to his cause when really it will erase it from political consciousness...

 

[cytg111]

Yea not the time. Unless he is running as an alternative to GQP.

 

[MrSquished]

Yang has tons of the Bernie Bro d-bags around him and I think he's also said some possibly problematic things (been a bit but I recall reading an article about how problematic his campaign was becoming when he was running in NYC). He'll end up having the same problem Sanders did with Dems, and I think he knows it. And chances are conservatives will pay for him to fuck things up and he'll gladly do it thinking he's working towards and end that justifies the means when it'll end up not achieving what he wants (his policies enacted).



I don't think people are calling bullshit that a lot of the Bernie Bros voted for Turmp. I think most people here knows this.

Their issue is you saying Bernie set out to destroy the Democratic party, that he was out for himself and thinks he's been deemed the king of liberals or whatever you were saying, or that he actually opposes the price tag of the Biden plan. He's just trying to compromise to get it through instead of it getting completely stalled.

The guy is oblivious about Biden's plan and numbers, at best, as I posted above. Most likely intentionally misleading. He is literally taking a plan that 98% of all Dems in office would vote yes for and blaming it on the Progressives, because that is his agenda, instead of the only 2 senators holding this thing back.

He's completely intellectually dishonest.

 

[dank69]

The guy is oblivious about Biden's plan and numbers, at best, as I posted above. Most likely intentionally misleading. He is literally taking a plan that 98% of all Dems in office would vote yes for and blaming it on the Progressives, because that is his agenda, instead of the only 2 senators holding this thing back.

He's completely intellectually dishonest.

He's probably referring to House progressives that are threatening to vote against a bill with less than $3.5T

 

[Brainonska511]

He's probably referring to House progressives that are threatening to vote against a bill with less than $3.5T

Probably, but he's clearly pointing the gun at the wrong people. In this case, it's Manchin/Sinema that are needless holding things up.

 

[Stokely]

Put me in the "hope he doesn't run" camp. Because he stands no chance of winning. Ralph Nader was a great champion of the consumer, but running his never-going-to-win campaign accomplished one thing: electing George Bush.

Green party candidates, same thing. Way to go people, help elect the one party that is bound and determined to steamroll the environment, accomplishing...what...publicity, fundraising?...during the campaign while setting back environmental causes by years if not decades.

Yang isn't going to change the system from the outside of the two parties. He'd be able to get something done, maybe, by being a cabinet member for a Democrat president. Running 3rd party he'll accomplish one thing, making sure the Republicans get elected (I think they will anyway, America being full of Americans, but still)

These people run for notoriety and money, perhaps not in that order.