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SlowSpyder

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He wasn't referring to Norway. Everyone knows he only criticizes brown "invaders". Attempting to wordsmith your way out of Trump laughing at the suggestion of shooting Mexicans. Looks like someone was willing to carry out what Trump tacitly approved.


Yes, absolutely any illegal immigrant from Norway would be included. YOU put the emphasis on race. I (and Trump) are talking about illegal immigrants.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Looks like one of the smartest men alive had a moment of clarity and understood exactly the point I make here, though some hardheads refuse to absorb it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neil-degarasse-tyson-slammed-for-tweet-about-mass-shooting-data

Keep screaming about what they tell you is important, puppets.

He's a smart guy, but his emotional intelligence is about the level of a lamp. He definitely shows some aspie tendencies.

NDT should stick to getting into arguments with people about Pluto.
 
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SlowSpyder

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He's a smart guy, but his emotional intelligence as about the level of a lamp. He definitely shows some aspie tendencies.

NDT should stick to getting into arguments with people about Pluto.


He's right on. When a shooting kills people it is plastered all over the news and people shit their pants. But the number of people murdered by firearms in this country is a drop in the bucket compared to other things that kill us. The only difference is the media doesn't put it in your face for clicks and revenue when 5x as many innocent people a year die from second hand smoke. But, I bet you go on the street, a college campus, and ask which we have to do more to limit, tobacco (or alcohol) use or firearms and the answer will overwhelmingly be to limit firearms further. But the reality is that firearms kill far fewer people, but firearms homicides are magnified to a degree nowhere near the scale of their actual harm to society.
 
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ivwshane

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There's an easy way for illegal immigrants to avoid radicalized people engaging in a violent response - don't come here illegally.
I'm
Please do tell us how many shot or killed were here illegally.
How long should we wait for your asinine post to be supported?

I’d take a 10 million Latino people willing to die to get into this country if it meant getting rid of pieces of shit like you a slow. You are the worst America has to offer and instead of having any shame for your pitiful views, the rest of America has to be burdened by your shamelessness.
 
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glenn1

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Dafuq? In what universe? Is this your way of making a white guy shooting at people near the Mexican border not a race issue?

Because as @fskimospy and I have been discussing it's not strictly a "race" issue. "Mexican" is a nationality, "latino" is an ethnicity, and white/black/asian are races. You could have three Mexican citizens and while all are considered Latino, you could have one from the "white" race (probably of mainland Spain heritage), one that's "black" (from Africa), and the third be "asian" (e.g. immigrated as a laborer from China in the 19th century). If the shooter instead had been targeting Romani people from Europe (who are typically Caucasian) you wouldn't call that a "racist" attack would you?
 

brycejones

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Please do tell us how many shot or killed were here illegally.
How long should we wait for your asinine post to be supported?

I’d take a 10 million Latino people willing to die to get into this country if it meant getting rid of pieces of shit like you a slow. You are the worst America has to offer and instead of having any shame for your pitiful views, the rest of America has to burdened by your shamelessness.

That was a throw away shit post for glenn1 he'll never come back to it.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Because as @fskimospy and I have been discussing it's not strictly a "race" issue. "Mexican" is a nationality, "latino" is an ethnicity, and white/black/asian are races. You could have three Mexican citizens and while all are considered Latino, you could have one from the "white" race (probably of mainland Spain heritage), one that's "black" (from Africa), and the third be "asian" (e.g. immigrated as a laborer from China in the 19th century). If the shooter instead had been targeting Romani people from Europe (who are typically Caucasian) you wouldn't call that a "racist" attack would you?

Ethnically/racially/religiously/nationally/sexual identity/sexual orientation targeted attacks are all just fucking wrong. Why are you trying to polish what is a total turd in any way shape or form?

BTW The Nazis murdered roughly a million Romani during the Holocaust.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Because as @fskimospy and I have been discussing it's not strictly a "race" issue. "Mexican" is a nationality, "latino" is an ethnicity, and white/black/asian are races. You could have three Mexican citizens and while all are considered Latino, you could have one from the "white" race (probably of mainland Spain heritage), one that's "black" (from Africa), and the third be "asian" (e.g. immigrated as a laborer from China in the 19th century). If the shooter instead had been targeting Romani people from Europe (who are typically Caucasian) you wouldn't call that a "racist" attack would you?
Colloquially, for those that care enough to think about such things, when one thinks of a 'Mexican', they're thinking of someone with strong Latino features, probably who works outside a lot. The person that this thread is about is one of those people.

You're doing a whole lot of mincing of words, why?
 

fskimospy

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Because as @fskimospy and I have been discussing it's not strictly a "race" issue. "Mexican" is a nationality, "latino" is an ethnicity, and white/black/asian are races. You could have three Mexican citizens and while all are considered Latino, you could have one from the "white" race (probably of mainland Spain heritage), one that's "black" (from Africa), and the third be "asian" (e.g. immigrated as a laborer from China in the 19th century). If the shooter instead had been targeting Romani people from Europe (who are typically Caucasian) you wouldn't call that a "racist" attack would you?

So to be clear when someone says 'look at that Mexican over there' you are unsure what they mean and surmise that it's reasonably likely they are describing an Asian person whose descendants immigrated to Mexico in the 19th century?

lol.
 

fskimospy

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Ethnically/racially/religiously/nationally/sexual identity/sexual orientation targeted attacks are all just fucking wrong. Why are you trying to polish what is a total turd in any way shape or form?

BTW The Nazis murdered roughly a million Romani during the Holocaust.

Yes I'm unsure as to what they think they are accomplishing here. Even if we all agreed with their definition why would being bigoted against someone for their national origin be any less reprehensible than being bigoted against someone for their race?

This reminds me of all those gun threads where gun nuts trot out 'ITS A CLIP, NOT A MAGAZINE' as if that is even the slightest bit meaningful.
 

HomerJS

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Yes, absolutely any illegal immigrant from Norway would be included. YOU put the emphasis on race. I (and Trump) are talking about illegal immigrants.
Trump himself said he wants immigrants from Norway not the "shithole" countries.

BTW - If it's all where is the roundup of all Visa overstays since they are illegal as well.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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This guy is just fucking unreal. My brain cannot comprehend how anyone an iota of brain cells can support this dumb fuck.

If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
 

Vic

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So guns remain unrestricted and you get to continue being afraid while calling me what you think are bad names. Fair trade.
I'm not afraid of guns, I own guns. But at the same time, it's not irrational to be afraid of legitimate threats of terrorism. I'm not calling you names. You said that you approved of the use of terrorism targetted towards those you disagree with politically, and I labelled you correctly as a criminal.
 

Jhhnn

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Slow's second hand smoke routine is actually quite ignorant considering actual history. Once it was perceived as a problem indoor smoking in public & govt spaces has been progressively banned. The problem is actually being addressed in a constructive fashion. Deaths attributable to second hand smoke should go way down the way black lung deaths went down with the introduction of proper breathing gear. It's the same way auto fatalities have been reduced with seat belt laws & other mandatory safety features.

We can't address guns as a public health issue, of course, because freedom. Because what we need more of is firepower, baby! Ya never know when a guy might have to kill a whole shitpile of people in a hurry. Strictly in self defense, of course.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Yes I'm unsure as to what they think they are accomplishing here. Even if we all agreed with their definition why would being bigoted against someone for their national origin be any less reprehensible than being bigoted against someone for their race?

This reminds me of all those gun threads where gun nuts trot out 'ITS A CLIP, NOT A MAGAZINE' as if that is even the slightest bit meaningful.

It's like their arguing about the definition of concentration camp. They think getting into a debate about grammar is going to convince anyone they're in the right.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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Slow's second hand smoke routine is actually quite ignorant considering actual history. Once it was perceived as a problem indoor smoking in public & govt spaces has been progressively banned. The problem is actually being addressed in a constructive fashion. Deaths attributable to second hand smoke should go way down the way black lung deaths went down with the introduction of proper breathing gear. It's the same way auto fatalities have been reduced with seat belt laws & other mandatory safety features.

We can't address guns as a public health issue, of course, because freedom. Because what we need more of is firepower, baby! Ya never know when a guy might have to kill a whole shitpile of people in a hurry. Strictly in self defense, of course.


You are ignoring the FACT that there have been many, many gun restrictions passed (some unfair) over the decades. If you're willing to live with smoking deaths in the current state, think the restrictions put in place have been good enough, if you're willing to accept that 5x as many innocent people die from second hand smoke and the leftist politicians don't care, then how do you argue to further limit my already limited firearms rights, which do comparatively little harm compared to other rights that you don't care about further limiting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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So to be clear when someone says 'look at that Mexican over there' you are unsure what they mean and surmise that it's reasonably likely they are describing an Asian person whose descendants immigrated to Mexico in the 19th century?

lol.
The mental gymnastics are quite something.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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You are ignoring the FACT that there have been many, many gun restrictions passed (some unfair) over the decades. If you're willing to live with smoking deaths in the current state, think the restrictions put in place have been good enough, if you're willing to accept that 5x as many innocent people die from second hand smoke and the leftist politicians don't care, then how do you argue to further limit my already limited firearms rights, which do comparatively little harm compared to other rights that you don't care about further limiting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
In the last 50 years how many Americans have lost their right to bear arms?
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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He's right on. When a shooting kills people it is plastered all over the news and people shit their pants. But the number of people murdered by firearms in this country is a drop in the bucket compared to other things that kill us. The only difference is the media doesn't put it in your face for clicks and revenue when 5x as many innocent people a year die from second hand smoke. But, I bet you go on the street, a college campus, and ask which we have to do more to limit, tobacco (or alcohol) use or firearms and the answer will overwhelmingly be to limit firearms further. But the reality is that firearms kill far fewer people, but firearms homicides are magnified to a degree nowhere near the scale of their actual harm to society.

The deaths from Islamic terrorism were an even smaller "drop in the bucket" than death from firearns, compared to the other things that kill us, but that didn't stop right wingers from shitting their pants and wanting to tear up the 1a and ban an entire religion.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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In the last 50 years how many Americans have lost their right to bear arms?
Not this guy.

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