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[[DHT]Osiris]

I imagine it is ugly. But, I think right now, even when taking the current tragedies into account, the number of people killed by white nationalists is not large. I'm not saying we should ignore it, a minor threat now can become a much bigger threat later if close tabs aren't kept on it.

The threat from nationalism and terrorism is not one of simple numbers, to be comparable with slip-and-falls or smoking. It's an existential threat to someone, at any given time. It causes people to question what is normal around them, what protections the government (local and federal) are capable of providing, and it can provoke more hot-headed members of our society into doing Stupid Things. Stupid Things may include: attacking or killing people they perceive to be a threat, because now they feel paranoid all the time. Voting for someone who promises to make the Bad People go away. Agreeing with sweeping legal changes which make life worse for Bad People, up to and including killing them. Going to war.

We've already had this happen on a large scale in the US, and it will continue until people like you wake the fuck up and realize that you're providing excuses for others to continue. Do not normalize terrorism and nationalism by putting them on the same pedestal as 'pedestrian' deaths.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The threat from nationalism and terrorism is not one of simple numbers, to be comparable with slip-and-falls or smoking. It's an existential threat to someone, at any given time. It causes people to question what is normal around them, what protections the government (local and federal) are capable of providing, and it can provoke more hot-headed members of our society into doing Stupid Things. Stupid Things may include: attacking or killing people they perceive to be a threat, because now they feel paranoid all the time. Voting for someone who promises to make the Bad People go away. Agreeing with sweeping legal changes which make life worse for Bad People, up to and including killing them. Going to war.

We've already had this happen on a large scale in the US, and it will continue until people like you wake the fuck up and realize that you're providing excuses for others to continue. Do not normalize terrorism and nationalism by putting them on the same pedestal as 'pedestrian' deaths.

I am wide awake, but I won't live in fear over something that really is a statistically small problem despite how much the media blows it up. When these things happen it is shocking, surprising. But it is still a very small number, statistically. I don't want white nationalism any more than you do, I put them on the same shelf with any other hate group. But to blame Trump is a bit silly. And to think if only magazines were limited to 10 rounds, that's the answer is ridiculous.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I am wide awake, but I won't live in fear over something that really is a statistically small problem despite how much the media blows it up. When these things happen it is shocking, surprising. But it is still a very small number, statistically. I don't want white nationalism any more than you do, I put them on the same shelf with any other hate group. But to blame Trump is a bit silly. And to think if only magazines were limited to 10 rounds, that's the answer is ridiculous.

You can't completely ignore Trump. His rhetoric certainly eggs on the nutcases and he does know what he's doing. It is not innocent in the least. I personally think he gets a thrill out of knowing he has that kind of power over someone. That being said, I do think most things bear personal responsibility, and the question we should be asking is why is this happening so frequently now. We are of course, but it gets muddled in the noise of desperation. Even if it is Trumps fault or the news or the guns are to blame, at the end of the day, the person decides what they will or will not do.

 

[Vic]

I am wide awake, but I won't live in fear over something that really is a statistically small problem despite how much the media blows it up. When these things happen it is shocking, surprising. But it is still a very small number, statistically. I don't want white nationalism any more than you do, I put them on the same shelf with any other hate group. But to blame Trump is a bit silly. And to think if only magazines were limited to 10 rounds, that's the answer is ridiculous.

Of course, you're not in fear of violence that you believe will never be targetted at you, because you identify with the white nationalists and not with their victims. It is well understood why you freak out and cower in fear over a MAGA getting their hat knocked off, but are sociopathically indifferent to a MAGA going on a mass murder spree. This is your identity politics at work. But you're dead asleep to that it seems.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am wide awake, but I won't live in fear over something that really is a statistically small problem despite how much the media blows it up. When these things happen it is shocking, surprising. But it is still a very small number, statistically. I don't want white nationalism any more than you do, I put them on the same shelf with any other hate group. But to blame Trump is a bit silly. And to think if only magazines were limited to 10 rounds, that's the answer is ridiculous.

I'm assuming you're white, which is why you don't live in fear over this. There's a significant percentage of the US right now that really, really gives a shit that random white people keep shooting the fuck out of schools, churches, walmarts, and shopping malls. That should concern you if only because you're part of the group that everyone else is now eyeballing. THAT is the follow-on effect I was referring to. It doesn't matter if it's 'statistically insignificant'. If all people were robots, sure, we'd understand that it's unlikely to affect us and press on. But we're not, we're weird, superstitious, panicky animals and we're far more likely to do something asinine than listen to reason.

Blaming Trump isn't silly, he's the fucking CEO of America for all intents and purposes. Have you had complaints about Musks' weirdie behaviors? Or would you think it's a bad idea for a CEO, the head of an extremely large organization, to take a stance on something giving defacto approval to those under them to take the same stance, which could lead to the company's collapse? Trump's voice is magnified by his constituents and theirs are magnified by his. It's a feedback loop that only makes shit worse.

 

[glenn1]

Well of course you want guns to be in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, because if not your agenda of instigating acts of terrorism against those whose political speech you disagree with would be less effective.

Sure thing. Enjoy the dream of gun control passing while it lasts, I figure you'll get maybe 1 more news cycle out of this before it fades into the background again for the 17 millionth time. It's kinda like the Browns QB.

 

[Vic]

Sure thing. Enjoy the dream of gun control passing while it lasts, I figure you'll get maybe 1 more news cycle out of this before it fades into the background again for the 17 millionth time. It's kinda like the Browns QB.

I don't dream of gun control. I already told you, I own guns. You're just trying to distract from your agenda of inciting violence and acts of terrorism against those whose political speech you disagree with.

The left being afraid is good. Maybe they’ll think twice before trying to impose their proletariat revolution on the rest of us. Maybe they’ll remember the people whose wealth they want to distribute might not voluntarily go along with that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1126451019020406784

 

[SlowSpyder]

You can't completely ignore Trump. His rhetoric certainly eggs on the nutcases and he does know what he's doing. It is not innocent in the least. I personally think he gets a thrill out of knowing he has that kind of power over someone. That being said, I do think most things bear personal responsibility, and the question we should be asking is why is this happening so frequently now. We are of course, but it gets muddled in the noise of desperation. Even if it is Trumps fault or the news or the guns are to blame, at the end of the day, the person decides what they will or will not do.

Is Obama to blame for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I personally blame the shooter. Not the guns, not Obama. There are some mentally unstable fringe types that will always take what a leader says too far. And leaders should be careful what message they push forward, I totally agree. But as long as Trump isn't calling for or implying any thing close to violence, I can't blame him.

 

[Vic]

Is Obama to blame for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I personally blame the shooter. Not the guns, not Obama. There are some mentally unstable fringe types that will always take what a leader says too far. And leaders should be careful what message they push forward, I totally agree. But as long as Trump isn't calling for or implying any thing close to violence, I can't blame him.

Did Obama say anything that may have incited that shooter in Dallas?

 

[Vic]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158340095608610816

https://twitter.com/x/status/1026069857589227520

It's funny how he blames the media for inciting and dividing while at the same time inciting his supporters that everyone who disagrees with Trumpism is an existential threat that must be dealt with.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Did Obama say anything that may have incited that shooter in Dallas?

Obama said some things critical of police during his terms. This shooter's goal was to kill cops, white cops. There is at least as much connection to Obama in this attack as there is Trump with the current events. I don't blame either president, but understand leaders do have to be careful with their message.

It seems leftists cannot ever, EVER accept the idea of personal responsibility. Unprotected sex that ends up with a pregnancy? Kill the fetus, what an inconvenience. Took out four or five years worth of student loans to get a degree in sociology with an emphasis on gender studies? Well, that debt should be erased, personal decisions be damned. People don't want to better themselves, add skills employers want, take on more responsibility and be paid better? Just double minimum wage, free healthcare for all. Some asshole gets a gun and shoots 20 people? TRUMP, orange man bad!

 

[fskimospy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158340095608610816

https://twitter.com/x/status/1026069857589227520

It's funny how he blames the media for inciting and dividing while at the same time inciting his supporters that everyone who disagrees with Trumpism is an existential threat that must be dealt with.

It's not just the threats of violence against the media, Trump is also using the powers of government to attack companies whose media outlets write critical stories about him. AT&T's merger was very likely blocked because Trump dislikes CNN and Trump has repeatedly gone after Amazon's business and profits because he dislikes the media coverage in the Washington Post.

All of this is simply astoundingly corrupt and honestly merits impeachment all on its own. The media has to wake up though and realize that this guy is a sociopath and does not care about the damage he's doing to the country or the first amendment.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I'm assuming you're white, which is why you don't live in fear over this. There's a significant percentage of the US right now that really, really gives a shit that random white people keep shooting the fuck out of schools, churches, walmarts, and shopping malls.

in most of these cases though, random white people are who are getting shot. There may be race motivations in some cases, but that is not really how the deaths are playing out.

Is Obama to blame for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I personally blame the shooter. Not the guns, not Obama. There are some mentally unstable fringe types that will always take what a leader says too far. And leaders should be careful what message they push forward, I totally agree. But as long as Trump isn't calling for or implying any thing close to violence, I can't blame him.

That's the problem though, he has implied violence. It is on video. I know from your posts you disagree with that, but I feel you aren't being honest about it. Trump is not about peace and love. He reminds us every day what he's really about. I don't even need news media to see it, it comes straight from him. What we can do is split the 2 weekend events into 2 categories - Texas was racially motivated - Ohio was not. I would not blame anything Trump said for the Ohio shootings, unless something new comes out that changed that.

The reality is that Trump(ism) is becoming cultlike. Cultlike people are not typically sane to begin with. As the president he has a responsibility to steer people in the right direction. While you can cite Obama's comments about police, it was nothing compared to the things Trump has said repeatedly. I do agree, yes, people are going to do what they are going to do (as I stated - personal responsibility) and no Trump is not the sole thing at fault here, but in his position, saying the things he's saying you cannot ignore he also has responsibility.

 

[Vic]

Obama said some things critical of police during his terms. This shooter's goal was to kill cops, white cops. There is at least as much connection to Obama in this attack as there is Trump with the current events. I don't blame either president, but understand leaders do have to be careful with their message.

It seems leftists cannot ever, EVER accept the idea of personal responsibility. Unprotected sex that ends up with a pregnancy? Kill the fetus, what an inconvenience. Took out four or five years worth of student loans to get a degree in sociology with an emphasis on gender studies? Well, that debt should be erased, personal decisions be damned. People don't want to better themselves, add skills employers want, take on more responsibility and be paid better? Just double minimum wage, free healthcare for all. Some asshole get a gun and shoots 20 people? TRUMP, orange man bad!

Saying things 'critical' of police is hardly comparable to what Trump is saying about his political opponents.

And why do you believe that some leftists evading their personal responsibility is an excuse that should allow you to evade your personal responsibility?

 

[sandorski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158340095608610816

https://twitter.com/x/status/1026069857589227520

It's funny how he blames the media for inciting and dividing while at the same time inciting his supporters that everyone who disagrees with Trumpism is an existential threat that must be dealt with.

He's just "explaining" it, bro.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

in most of these cases though, random white people are who are getting shot. There may be race motivations in some cases, but that is not really how the deaths are playing out.

The random nature of the violence is what makes it float to the top though. If people don't know when/where/how another attack will happen, only that it WILL happen, it's a proverbial boogeyman that you're just waiting to come along. It's essentially the misc 'menaces' we've had against white people over the last what, 200 years? All lead to massive amounts of violence against specific groups of people (race or otherwise).

 

[Lanyap]

Holy shit there was a movie recently about this very thing....

The Great Hack?
Social Media is the bane of our existence and will be the death of humanity as we know it.

 

[Vic]

The left being afraid is good. Maybe they’ll think twice before trying to impose their proletariat revolution on the rest of us. Maybe they’ll remember the people whose wealth they want to distribute might not voluntarily go along with that.

Behold unhinged right wing extremism, praising the murders of those they disagree with, and hoping for still more. It's a good thing, unhinged right wing extremism tells us, that they should be able to murder those whose speech they disagree with, because that speech is such an existential threat that pre-emptive violence is required for them to be able to defend themselves.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The Great Hack?
Social Media is the bane of our existence and will be the death of humanity as we know it.

No this was about signing up that you were a 'patriot'. It wasn't a great movie, but it was interesting in its concept.

Found it: The Oath

 

[Jhhnn]

You are ignoring the FACT that there have been many, many gun restrictions passed (some unfair) over the decades. If you're willing to live with smoking deaths in the current state, think the restrictions put in place have been good enough, if you're willing to accept that 5x as many innocent people die from second hand smoke and the leftist politicians don't care, then how do you argue to further limit my already limited firearms rights, which do comparatively little harm compared to other rights that you don't care about further limiting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States

So dishonest. Once you've banned indoor smoking in public & work environments there's basically no further improvement possible unless we tell people they can't smoke in their own homes. That's aside from smoking cessation programs. Dunno about where you live, but we've already done that & more around here. There's no smoking within 15 ft of a business entrance in Denver, for example.

It's just your usual lame diversion.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Behold unhinged right wing extremism, praising the murders of those they disagree with, and hoping for still more. It's a good thing, unhinged right wing extremism tells us, that they should be able to murder those whose speech they disagree with, because that speech is such an existential threat that pre-emptive violence is required for them to be able to defend themselves.

Not only that, he reference the proletariat like it doesn't include a shit load of conservative blue collar workers, and doubly for those who want to "burn it down". I mean, that's pretty fucking stupid

 

[fleshconsumed]

I am wide awake, but I won't live in fear over something that really is a statistically small problem despite how much the media blows it up. When these things happen it is shocking, surprising. But it is still a very small number, statistically. I don't want white nationalism any more than you do, I put them on the same shelf with any other hate group. But to blame Trump is a bit silly. And to think if only magazines were limited to 10 rounds, that's the answer is ridiculous.

Your mistake is failing to see that this "statistically small" group with the help of other Americans managed to elect a white supremacist as the president of the United States. Trump is a white supremacist. Either you're sound asleep or you willingly refuse to acknowledge that white supremacists are "winning" and that they won't ever "get tired of winning".

 

[Vic]

Not only that, he reference the proletariat like it doesn't include a shit load of conservative blue collar workers, and doubly for those who want to "burn it down". I mean, that's pretty fucking stupid

Well, from that perspective, he's also talking about himself. Don't let Glenn fool you into believing he's wealthy, that's just his internet persona.

 

[glenn1]

Behold unhinged right wing extremism, praising the murders of those they disagree with, and hoping for still more. It's a good thing, unhinged right wing extremism tells us, that they should be able to murder those whose speech they disagree with, because that speech is such an existential threat that pre-emptive violence is required for them to be able to defend themselves.

Praising and hoping for more isn't the same thing as not caring about them. Again, I don't care how many mass shootings happen it's not going to change the calculus for gun control nor should it and if you want to wet your bed scared because you're afraid of the evil black guns that's on you.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't care how many mass shootings happen

Don't hold back on us man, tell us how you really feel.