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[SlowSpyder]

And why is this relevant in a discussion about the Republican white supremacist who shot up El Paso?
Oh that's right, deflection and your hypocrisy. You see, a moral person would see both incidents as heinous crimes, while you use one to justify your support of the other, for purely partisan and ideological reasons.

I see both incidents as heinous crimes. But I enjoy watching you guys froth at the mouth about the right while turning a blind eye to the left.

 

[fskimospy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

By 2017, the FBI and DHS reported that they were monitoring suspicious Antifa activity in relation to terrorism.[58]

The Dayton shooter was a far leftist / socialist, anti-Trumper.

You are blinded by your partisan agenda, not shocked.

So where's your evidence that the Dayton guy was tied to Antifa?

Alternatively, where's your evidence that Antifa has engaged in any violence of the same type/scope as these shootings?

Just want to make sure we know who is blinded by their partisan agenda. lol.

 

[umbrella39]

It's cool to post whatever you want here now and pass it off as the truth whether it is or not... It's done daily. Truth used to be the standard here. Wanton trolling sells and keeps the lights on I guess...

Enjoy...

 

[SlowSpyder]

So where's your evidence that the Dayton guy was tied to Antifa?

Alternatively, where's your evidence that Antifa has engaged in any violence of the same type/scope as these shootings?

Just want to make sure we know who is blinded by their partisan agenda. lol.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

Click on that link. Search "antifa" and read. He used Antifa talking points and language. He supported Bernie. He was a socialist. He hated Republicans. Big fan of "the squad."

This is the kind of shit that blows me away. Look at the amount of Trump crap in the news due to the El Paso shooter. But when a crazed leftist shoots a bunch of people, crickets about his politics in the mainstream media, because his politics are far left.

You can keep your head in the sand while you keep telling me I'm the blind one, but that doesn't make you less wrong or less of a troll. You have a disgusting habit of ignoring factual information you don't agree with.

 

[Vic]

I see both incidents as heinous crimes. But I enjoy watching you guys froth at the mouth about the right while turning a blind eye to the left.

No, you don't. You've done nothing here but repeatedly downplay El Paso as 'small' and 'minor' while claiming that other incidents, even those with smaller death tolls, or even no death toll at all, are of far greater importance. You want us to believe that a political group that hasn't killed anyone in the US is a bigger threat than another political group that has killed hundreds. You have no qualms with stripping groups you disagree with of their Constitutional rights, but clutch your pearls whenever you feel your Constitutional rights are under attack. You say that people can't be concerned about certain issues until they address other issues first, issues that they have already addressed and over your political resistance.
Your irrational projection and hypocrisy have been exposed repeatedly in this thread. If you choose not to see that, that's just you making a fool of yourself, again and as usual.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No, you don't. You've done nothing here but repeatedly downplay El Paso as 'small' and 'minor' while claiming that other incidents, even those with smaller death tolls, or even no death toll at all, are of far greater importance. You want us to believe that a political group that hasn't killed anyone in the US is a bigger threat than another political group that has killed hundreds. You have no qualms with stripping groups you disagree with of their Constitutional rights, but clutch your pearls whenever you feel your Constitutional rights are under attack. You say that people can't be concerned about certain issues until they address other issues first, issues that they have already addressed and over your political resistance.
Your irrational projection and hypocrisy have been exposed repeatedly in this thread. If you choose not to see that, that's just you making a fool of yourself, again and as usual.

No, I am saying that terror in general is a comparatively small killer in America. When people on the right get uptight about extremist muslim terror you guys take exactly this side. But somehow you think right wing terror is a threat worth shitting on the bill of rights over. You guys scream about Trump with the El Paso shooter while making every possible excuse to distance the Dayton shooter from the left, which he was clearly a big fan of and inspired by. In short, YOU ARE HYPOCRITES that change you views as you see fit for your partisan agenda.

 

[Vic]

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

Click on that link. Search "antifa" and read. He used Antifa talking points and language. He supported Bernie. He was a socialist. He hated Republicans. Big fan of "the squad."

This is the kind of shit that blows me away. Look at the amount of Trump crap in the news due to the El Paso shooter. But when a crazed leftist shoots a bunch of people, crickets about his politics in the mainstream media, because his politics are far left.

You can keep your head in the sand while you keep telling me I'm the blind one, but that doesn't make you less wrong or less of a troll. You have a disgusting habit of ignoring factual information you don't agree with.

Translation: your approval of the El Paso shooting and the shooter's political motivations is morally justified based on your unhinged paranoia that 'leftists' approve of Dayton in the same way (newsflash: they don't).

 

[SlowSpyder]

Translation: your approval of the El Paso shooting and the shooter's political motivations is morally justified based on your unhinged paranoia that 'leftists' approve of Dayton in the same way (newsflash: they don't).

What? I am not for either of these guys, I wish neither situation happened. I hope we see the El Paso shooter put down, and put down soon. You are shadow boxing ghosts again, making a caricature of reality and fighting that as if it were real. Come back to the real world.

 

[umbrella39]

“You can’t kill 50+ people and injure 600(!) In 10 minutes with cigarettes my dude,” he wrote in 2017. In response to a Buzzfeed story that read, “Virginia has declared a state of emergency in anticipation of the “Unite the Right” rally anniversary in Charlottesville this weekend,” he wrote: “Kill every fascist.”

Apparently someone we know writes for Buzzfeed and was arguing with this guy...



@SatanTweeting.” On the date of Republican Sen. John McCain’s death, he wrote, “F*ck John McCain.”

So his name was Trump?


Hmm...

 

[glenn1]

Behold unhinged right wing extremism, praising the murders of those they disagree with, and hoping for still more. It's a good thing, unhinged right wing extremism tells us, that they should be able to murder those whose speech they disagree with, because that speech is such an existential threat that pre-emptive violence is required for them to be able to defend themselves.

Random murders like this will happen like earthquakes happen. The only difference is I am not terrified of the thought of guns like others are who want to impose gun control or bans. I can no more control your irrational fear that I can the irrational fear of some conservatives that their women and children will be sexually assaulted by transgenders in bathrooms. Its your fucking problem to deal with things that make you afraid, not ours to ban it for you so that you don’t have to be afraid of it like a little pussy.

 

[umbrella39]

He was a fan of “The Squad,” Including Rep. Ocasio Cortez and Rep. Omar.

He shared an article that criticized Democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi for not supporting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Pressley. “Read it,” he wrote. He shared posts about “concentration camps” at the border and wrote, “Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.”

He retweeted a post from another person about stealing from “right wingers” at a Trump rally.

Say!!! When is this guy going to stop being such a "THE SQUAD" fan!!!!!

Quite the Manifesto there!!!!

 

[fskimospy]

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

Click on that link. Search "antifa" and read. He used Antifa talking points and language. He supported Bernie. He was a socialist. He hated Republicans. Big fan of "the squad."

This is the kind of shit that blows me away. Look at the amount of Trump crap in the news due to the El Paso shooter. But when a crazed leftist shoots a bunch of people, crickets about his politics in the mainstream media, because his politics are far left.

You can keep your head in the sand while you keep telling me I'm the blind one, but that doesn't make you less wrong or less of a troll. You have a disgusting habit of ignoring factual information you don't agree with.

So in other words still no evidence that this guy was tied to Antifa. Got it. Why didn’t you just come right out and say that?

The reason why the media isn’t reporting as heavily on the Dayton killer’s politics is that there’s no evidence at this time that his politics motivated the killing, unlike the El Paso shooter. This is common sense and good journalism.

What you want is for the media to assume leftist politics was the cause of the Dayton attack without evidence because it is more convenient for you politically. I’m sure conservative media will do this but that’s because they lack journalistic principles and are just propaganda. Actually reputable papers wouldn’t do that though, which is why you hate them so much for not indulging your partisan fantasies. This post is a great object lesson though, you’re enraged by papers not reporting something they don’t know is true, and you think that’s an indication of their bias instead of yours.

I really hope you get help someday because this level of delusion is not healthy. The rest of the world isn’t interested in catering to your fantasies and someday you’ll have to accept that.

 

[fskimospy]

Random murders like this will happen like earthquakes happen. The only difference is I am not terrified of the thought of guns like others are who want to impose gun control or bans. I can no more control your irrational fear that I can the irrational fear of some conservatives that their women and children will be sexually assaulted by transgenders in bathrooms. Its your fucking problem to deal with things that make you afraid, not ours to ban it for you so that you don’t have to be afraid of it like a little pussy.

Who is afraid of guns? We just want common sense gun laws.

I mean do you think people who promote vaccination are personally terrified of diseases? Of course not, they just aren’t willing to make public policy a slave of crazy people. It’s the same with guns, a vocal and insane minority has screwed up public policy and common sense people want to stop that.

It’s always interesting to see conservatives project their own irrationality onto other people. You guys just can’t fathom that not everyone reasons emotionally.

 

[Vic]

No, I am saying that terror in general is a comparatively small killer in America. When people on the right get uptight about extremist muslim terror you guys take exactly this side. But somehow you think right wing terror is a threat worth shitting on the bill of rights over. You guys scream about Trump with the El Paso shooter while making every possible excuse to distance the Dayton shooter from the left, which he was clearly a big fan of and inspired by. In short, YOU ARE HYPOCRITES that change you views as you see fit for your partisan agenda.

No, when people on the right get uptight about extremist muslim terror, the concern is over the right wing's agenda to shit on the Bill of Rights by banning an entire religion.

The rest of your post is just projection on your part. You're the one saying that Dayton excuses El Paso. You're the one who brought Dayton into this thread about El Paso for the purpose of excusing El Paso. You're the one whose moral view changed to fit your political agenda (Dayton+leftist = dire threat, El Paso + rightie = nothing to see here). You're the one painting all that is right and that is left with broad brushes, saying "you guys" this and "you guys" that, while others are mostly talking to you as an individual. This is obvious.
Especially in the light of the fact that I said several times in this very thread (and have throughout my entire posting history on this site) that I support gun ownership and the 2a, and yet you keep calling me one of these "you guys" trying to shit on the 2a. But it's getting to the point that the best reason to own guns is because of unhinged political whackjobs like yourself, who view everyone they disagree with (or who disagrees with them) as some kind of monolithic national danger than can and should be violently wiped out.

 

[Vic]

Random murders like this will happen like earthquakes happen. The only difference is I am not terrified of the thought of guns like others are who want to impose gun control or bans. I can no more control your irrational fear that I can the irrational fear of some conservatives that their women and children will be sexually assaulted by transgenders in bathrooms. Its your fucking problem to deal with things that make you afraid, not ours to ban it for you so that you don’t have to be afraid of it like a little pussy.

So for the umpteenth time, I support gun ownership and the 2a. So your argument there is moot.
While you have made it abundantly clear that you're such a fucking cowardly piece of shit about OMG SOCIALISM! that you're in favor of seeing those who you perceive as socialists randomly killed off in order to counter that terror. And once again, those are your words.

 

[blackangst1]

Personally, unless a particular murder or mass murder qualifies as a hate crime, I could give two shits the political leaning of a perp. I just dont get the importance of it.

 

[Vic]

Who is afraid of guns? We just want common sense gun laws.

I mean do you think people who promote vaccination are personally terrified of diseases? Of course not, they just aren’t willing to make public policy a slave of crazy people. It’s the same with guns, a vocal and insane minority has screwed up public policy and common sense people want to stop that.

It’s always interesting to see conservatives project their own irrationality onto other people. You guys just can’t fathom that not everyone reasons emotionally.

I don't blame guns at all for these incidents. I blame inflammatory political rhetoric that deliberately and irresponsibly overinflates certain issues for money and votes.
The irresponsible rhetoric in El Paso was that immigrants are an 'invasion' and that it's 'PC,' 'virtual signaling,' 'socialism,' or 'intolerant leftism' to denounce the radical white supremacist speech that explicitly advocates this kind of violence.
And that's the really irony here. Despite what one poster here keeps trying to imply, there is no rhetoric coming from liberals telling liberals to commit violence. There is a tremendous amount of rhetoric coming from right wingers telling right wingers to commit violence. Just look at the President calling half of Americans a 'MOB' that represents a 'national danger.'

 

[fskimospy]

Personally, unless a particular murder or mass murder qualifies as a hate crime, I could give two shits the political leaning of a perp. I just dont get the importance of it.

Do you think Islamic fundamentalism is important to understanding terrorist attacks? If so, did you know that since 9/11 right wing ideology has been behind more attacks and more deaths than Islam?

 

[blackangst1]

Do you think Islamic fundamentalism is important to understanding terrorist attacks? If so, did you know that since 9/11 right wing ideology has been behind more attacks and more deaths than Islam?

In the US? Yes I knew that.

Lets say you and I go out for beers. Lets say someone calls me derogatory names, tells me my mother is a whore, blah blah blah. Lets say I just take it and refrain from punching the person in throat. Lets say you egg me on...you gonna let him get away with that? What kind of man are you? You need to stand up for your family! etc.

Lets say I then go kill the guy.

Are you culpable? Nope.

In other words, it doesnt matter HOW someone interprets someone elses words, including the POTUS's or the gang of four. If I decide to do an illegal thing, that is 100% MY fault. No one elses.

 

[Vic]

In the US? Yes I knew that.

Lets say you and I go out for beers. Lets say someone calls me derogatory names, tells me my mother is a whore, blah blah blah. Lets say I just take it and refrain from punching the person in throat. Lets say you egg me on...you gonna let him get away with that? What kind of man are you? You need to stand up for your family! etc.

Lets say I then go kill the guy.

Are you culpable? Nope.

In other words, it doesnt matter HOW someone interprets someone elses words, including the POTUS's or the gang of four. If I decide to do an illegal thing, that is 100% MY fault. No one elses.

The law disagrees with you. Responsibility and fault are not so narrowly defined, and incitement is a crime. And rightly so. If you intentionally goad another into a criminal act, then you do bear some responsibility and fault.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/373

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement

 

[blackangst1]

The law disagrees with you. Responsibility and fault are not so narrowly defined, and incitement is a crime. And rightly so. If so you intentionally goad another into a criminal act, then you do bear some responsibility and fault.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/373

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement

Thank you for that. I retract my statement. However, inciting to do a specific crime is one thing, interpreting words is something else altogether.

I do, however, place the blame on the perp for most of these shootings.

 

[purbeast0]

Guys it's clearly video games fault okay?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/5/20755092/gun-shooting-video-game-chart

 

[glenn1]

So for the umpteenth time, I support gun ownership and the 2a. So your argument there is moot.
While you have made it abundantly clear that you're such a fucking cowardly piece of shit about OMG SOCIALISM! that you're in favor of seeing those who you perceive as socialists randomly killed off in order to counter that terror. And once again, those are your words.

I have a little list, they surely won’t be missed.

 

[jackstar7]

Today's ep of The Daily (NYT Podcast) was brutal.
http://art19.com/shows/the-daily/episodes/b1eb7ec0-a085-4138-89a8-717f64c2a642

 

[pauldun170]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...nhW-ev_dABH83M5Vb5L8o/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

Guys it's clearly video games fault okay?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/5/20755092/gun-shooting-video-game-chart

Unfortunately, this chart sucks.
IF online shooters drive sales in the US and "weirdo anime wizard RPG because porn is filtered out by the government crap" drives sales in SK then what good is this chart?
They need to break it down by game category.
That and the whole "Lack of guns in those countries". Kinda hard to have violent gun deaths when you can't buy gun to "death with"

To quote Slowspyder, China can't be compared because everyone smokes over there and that is the true Scooby Doo villian.