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[Jaskalas]

He brought his gun for the purpose of stopping a mass shooting and killing a terrorist?

Does anyone actually do that?

The reason we fail to control guns in this nation, 2A aside, is the FEAR people have of OTHERS with guns.

So yes, they carry to protect themselves from mass shooters.

 

[Commodus]

Do you think he'll accept the result if he loses? Every day kind of feels like uncharted grounds in this nightmare of a presidency, and I'm not convinced he'll bow out peacefully if he loses.

Well, he may abide by the loss, but he will moan about it every single day afterward (including long after the inauguration of his replacement).

 

[Indus]

I don't believe that Trump is inciting mass murder.

Yeah my wife telling me about cockroaches in the kitchen is definitely not inciting me to kill em all!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Well, he may abide by the loss, but he will moan about it every single day afterward (including long after the inauguration of his replacement).

Or he might say the election was rigged and demand an investigation into illegals voting him out of office and start inciting violence in the streets. It's what he was building to in 2016 when he thought he would lose to Clinton.

 

[Commodus]

I don't believe that Trump is inciting mass murder.

Let me get this straight: Trump scapegoats Hispanic people for all the US' ills, attacks politicians and judges because they're Hispanic, and yet you think it's just a coincidence that a white Trump supporter traveled hours to El Paso to kill as many Hispanic people as he could?

Sounds like you're just uncomfortable with the evidence that Trump is enabling violence.

 

[Commodus]

Or he might say the election was rigged and demand an investigation into illegals voting him out of office and start inciting violence in the streets. It's what he was building to in 2016 when he thought he would lose to Clinton.

Oh, I'm sure he'll claim it was shady even if he's handed a resounding defeat. It's just a question of whether or not there's any action resulting from his griping. Unless the election really is extremely close, my guess is that he'll just whine and maybe conduct another go-nowhere investigation.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't believe that Trump is inciting mass murder.

I'll grant that he may be completely oblivious to the consequences of his words but that doesn't change the effect-

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIihy5WkAAdXiA?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[Vic]

Also, a reminder. Many times as many innocent victims died from second hand smoke as this tragedy, but you don't care. Your Democrat puppet masters haven't told you to care, so you don't. You don't care about saving lives, you care about limiting guns. If you cared about saving lives I'd see a lot more angst from the liberals here about these bigger killers that have no benefit to society. But you simply don't care about saving lives, you care about harming the 2A because the right is pro-2A. That's really all you care about, not agreeing with the right.

The 2a isn't the focus here. The focus here is on paranoid right wing extremists who believe they should be able to freely gun down liberals, leftists, immigrants, minorities, gays, and everyone else they disagree with.

But don't let me stop you from yet again blaming 2nd hand smoke on the people who brought us workplace smoking bans and $5/pack cigarette taxes, and over the loud objections of people like you. That has to be -- bar none -- the stupidest most hypocritical red herring troll ever.

 

[Vic]

One Nazi punched in the face for being a Nazi = national tragedy for unhinged Nazis like snow.

19 murdered by a coward MAGA bitch in gun-proud Texas = sorta sad, but really Freedom!

This flowchart says it all:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Keep doing what the puppet masters tell you to do, NPC.

that's it, that's your best? what a fucking loser.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I don't get why this is an unfair question to ask given what that poster (victim) is trying to imply. I understand what this guy did was terrible, but if he gave up and followed orders when the police arrived on scene, it is easy to see why he wasn't put in a choke hold. I know you want to create racism, hate, and victimization for your feels, but it is a fair question. Follow the law first and foremost, and obey the police if they're giving you orders and it'll help you live longer. Sound advice.

you're a racist cvnt who serves no purpose in civilized society

 

[Vic]

I don't get why this is an unfair question to ask given what that poster (victim) is trying to imply. I understand what this guy did was terrible, but if he gave up and followed orders when the police arrived on scene, it is easy to see why he wasn't put in a choke hold. I know you want to create racism, hate, and victimization for your feels, but it is a fair question. Follow the law first and foremost, and obey the police if they're giving you orders and it'll help you live longer. Sound advice.

What else do you think they should create when a "freedom-loving small govt conservative" tells them that a law-abiding citizen deserved to be killed by the govt for not immediately complying with govt authorities (in this case, because he got caught unawares and was startled), and you only tell them that when the victim is black, minority, leftist, etc.?
What other conclusion should they come to in response to your own words?

It's kind of like if this story were about some antifa knocking off somebody's MAGA hat, you'd be blaming all "unhinged leftists" for the incident and demanding that antifa and all liberal thought be banned (because free speech).
Or if this were a Muslim who killed 20 people in a Walmart, you'd be blaming all Muslims and demanding that Islam be banned (until we figured what's going on).
Or the crime in Chicago that you blame the entire "black community" for, although the criminals are only a small percentage of the black population there.

But when it's one of yours who goes on a mass murder spree, incited by the same extremist right wing rhetoric that you spew here on a regular basis, then suddenly this is just freak incident (that's happened twice in as many days), and we don't want to be too hasty with regards to people's rights (that you would happily take away if the perp were leftist, black, or Muslim), and leftists are just manufacturing racism and victimhood (which you do regularly by claiming people disagree with you solely because you're a white conservative and not the truth, because you're a lying hypocrite).

So I repeat, what other conclusion should they come to in response to your own words?

 

[Vic]

Keep doing what the puppet masters tell you to do, NPC.

Says the guy who does almost nothing here but regurgitate, practically word for word, the rhetoric from right wing media sites.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't get why this is an unfair question to ask given what that poster (victim) is trying to imply. I understand what this guy did was terrible, but if he gave up and followed orders when the police arrived on scene, it is easy to see why he wasn't put in a choke hold. I know you want to create racism, hate, and victimization for your feels, but it is a fair question. Follow the law first and foremost, and obey the police if they're giving you orders and it'll help you live longer. Sound advice.

Why was it terrible when he listened to the likes of you and Trump, spreading hate then saying "Oh, you can't quote me" as if in the real world that mattered. No, the likes of the Wannabomber and this guy are yours and yours alone. You can always blame Antifa, while you want hate and to make people victims by being shot at by your hero types.

This shooting belongs to people like you, taking Trump very seriously.

 

[Perknose]

I'll grant that he may be completely oblivious shockingly uncaring as to the consequences of his words but that doesn't change the effect-

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBIihy5WkAAdXiA?format=jpg&name=medium

I don't believe that Trump is inciting mass murder.

Jhhn nailed what I came here to say to you.

I get that you don't believe Trump is saying to himself, "I'm going to say that Mexico is sending us their rapists in order to incite an unstable civilian to travel hundreds of miles to slaughter as many of them as I can in a Walmart in El Paso."

Ok.

But that you don't believe that his crudely bigoted tweets haven't helped to empower these murderous creeps to act out, -- "He says what we're thinking!" -- I just don't believe you're that dense. It seems you just don't want to.

Theodore Roosevelt referred to the office of the President as a "bully pulpit."

Supercharged by twitter, that feckless fuck Trump has given the phrase a whole new meaning.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Also, a reminder. Many times as many innocent victims died from second hand smoke as this tragedy, but you don't care. Your Democrat puppet masters haven't told you to care, so you don't. You don't care about saving lives, you care about limiting guns. If you cared about saving lives I'd see a lot more angst from the liberals here about these bigger killers that have no benefit to society. But you simply don't care about saving lives, you care about harming the 2A because the right is pro-2A. That's really all you care about, not agreeing with the right.

#fuckoffStPetersburgSlowtroll

 

[Victorian Gray]

Someone forgot to flush again. C'mon people, it's not that hard to remember.

Did the El Paso shooter give up peacefully and follow police orders? Eric Garner didn't, he should have.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think it’s time to update the ignore list and remove the folks incapable of having a single original thought. They’re just troll repeaters.

 

[IJTSSG]

Just when I thought Trump Derangement Syndrome couldn't hit another gear the fucktards prove me wrong. LoL.

 

[Indus]

Just when I thought Trump Dick Suckers couldn't hit another gear the fucktards prove me wrong. LoL.

 

[Paladin3]

So let me ask you since this scanario 2A absolutists salivate over. What do you think would have happened to a black man pulling out his gun in an area where shots were already fired? What would have happened to him if the police came upon him? Use your common sense and your sense of history.

If you are implying cops would shoot a black man, but under the exact same circumstances they would hold fire because the suspect was white, then I have to disagree with you.

You have to judge each incident separately by it's on circumstances and surrounding facts. You can't say because a black suspect was shot and in a completely separate incident a white suspect was taken into custody that it automatically equals racism, unless you've got some facts supporting it. You can sight statistics, but when race is the only factor you consider your conclusion will be flawed.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist (because fuck yes it does!), but you tend to see it in about 101% of all shooting if a black person is shot or a white is not. I don't think race is the deciding factor in most shootings to the degree you think it is. More likely it's the particular situation and often the suspect's decision to comply or resits lawful arrest attempts.

And Eric Garner died because he resisted lawful attempts to arrest him. He chose to fight his case on the street against several cops rather than fight the charge in court. We can say the cops went too far, we can say the choke hold is an outdated and dangerous tool, we can say fighting cops while suffering from obesity, heart disease and asthma is a bad idea, but Eric Garner would likely be alive today if he had just let himself be cuffed.

EDIT: And police misconduct, which there was a ton of in the Eric Garner case as well as with the treatment of Ramsey Orta who recorded Garner's arrest, must be fought in the courts. The courts are the only place it is possible to win such a case. In the streets, physically fighting an arrest is only likely to get you killed. Ask Eric Garner.

 

[glenn1]

The reason we fail to control guns in this nation, 2A aside, is the FEAR people have of OTHERS with guns.

So yes, they carry to protect themselves from mass shooters.

The other fear is of the other party’s policy objectives being enacted. There is literally no amount of mass shooting deaths that would change the calculus that conservatives will oppose gun control. It’s like imagining the Democrats would stop supporting pro-choice policies.

 

[DrDoug]

When I saw this at WaPo:

McConnell was in touch with Sens. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio) on Sunday “to express his deepest sympathies for the people of El Paso and Dayton and discuss the senseless tragedies of this weekend,” the statement said.

I thought of this conference call:

McConnell: "Can you hear me? Hello?"
Cornyn: "Barely, let me turn up my hearing aids."
McConnell: "What? Hold on a minute while I figure out how to turn up my hearing aids."
Portman (yelling): "HOWS THIS? CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER?"
McConnell: "Yeah, but I can't figure out how to turn these things up so keep doing that."
Cornyn (yelling): "HOLD ON, I'LL TURN MY HEARING AIDS DOWN THEN... OK, I'M READY."
McConnell: "I fell down, hurt my shoulder and had to go to the hospital."
Portman (yelling): "I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT, MITCH. ARE YOU OK?"
Cornyn (yelling): "OUCH! HOW BAD IS IT?"
McConnell: "I'm OK and I've been released and am back at home. I'm pretty sore but at least I survived the fall."
Portman (yelling): "THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR!"
Cornyn (yelling): "GREAT, MITCH! ABOUT THIS CALL, THERE'S BEEN SHOOTINGS IN EL PASO AND IN DAYTON, OHIO."
Portman (yelling): "WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING BETTER THAN THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AS DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A JOKE OF US SAYING IT AFTER EVERY INCIDENT."
McConnell : "I agree, how about we come up with something different that conveys the same kind of message. I was thinking deepest sympathies might be an effective substitute or even supplemental to thoughts and prayers."
Cornyn (yellling): "THAT'S A HUMDINGER OF A LINE, MITCH. IT OUGHT TO GET THE JOB DONE."
Portman (yelling): "I AGREE, LET RUN WITH THAT!"
McConnell: "Good, now that we've got that out of the way I'm going back to my vacation. (hangs up)
Portman (yelling as #MoscowMitch hangs up): "THE DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING FOR YOU TO END THE AUGUST RECESS TO VOTE ON GUN CONTROL MEASURES!"
Cornyn (yelling): "I THINK HE HUNG UP, ROB."
Portman (yelling): "IF HE DID THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO YELL ANY MORE, JOHN."
Cornyn: "Oh, thanks. Well, good luck with getting through this there at home, Rob. Bye."
Portman: (hangs up)

Best wishes, deepest sympathies, and thoughts and prayers; the air guitars of help.

 

[theeedude]

Who still thinks Antifa beating the crap out of white supremacists is a bad thing?

 

[glenn1]

Who still thinks Antifa beating the crap out of white supremacists is a bad thing?

If we’re lucky they will hunt each other to extinction.