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[Amused]

If you are implying cops would shoot a black man, but under the exact same circumstances they would hold fire because the suspect was white, then I have to disagree with you.

Your disagreement is with reality then. Because that is, in fact, the case.

And when black people protested with Black Lives Matters, what did police do? The single most dismissive and racist thing they could do. They created Blue Lives Matters.

Fuck. All. OF. That.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Look up the video of that. The guy was just talking on his phone. No warning. The cop snuck up on him and shot him.

 

[Amused]

If we’re lucky they will hunt each other to extinction.

Only to a cult addled, propagandized brain would a movement that opposes fascism and white nationalism be as "bad" as white nationalists.

 

[Sunburn74]

If you are implying cops would shoot a black man, but under the exact same circumstances they would hold fire because the suspect was white, then I have to disagree with you.

You have to judge each incident separately by it's on circumstances and surrounding facts. You can't say because a black suspect was shot and in a completely separate incident a white suspect was taken into custody that it automatically equals racism, unless you've got some facts supporting it. You can sight statistics, but when race is the only factor you consider your conclusion will be flawed.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist (because fuck yes it does!), but you tend to see it in about 101% of all shooting if a black person is shot or a white is not. I don't think race is the deciding factor in most shootings to the degree you think it is. More likely it's the particular situation and often the suspect's decision to comply or resits lawful arrest attempts.

And Eric Garner died because he resisted lawful attempts to arrest him. He chose to fight his case on the street against several cops rather than fight the charge in court. We can say the cops went too far, we can say the choke hold is an outdated and dangerous tool, we can say fighting cops while suffering from obesity, heart disease and asthma is a bad idea, but Eric Garner would likely be alive today if he had just let himself be cuffed.

EDIT: And police misconduct, which there was a ton of in the Eric Garner case as well as with the treatment of Ramsey Orta who recorded Garner's arrest, must be fought in the courts. The courts are the only place it is possible to win such a case. In the streets, physically fighting an arrest is only likely to get you killed. Ask Eric Garner.

How many black guys have been killed when trying not to fight the cops because the cop allegedly saw a weapon? Black guys have been shot for getting IDs at the cops request.

 

[Wuzup101]

Your disagreement is with reality then. Because that is, in fact, the case.

And when black people protested with Black Lives Matters, what did police do? The single most dismissive and racist thing they could do. They created Blue Lives Matters.

Fuck. All. OF. That.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Look up the video of that. The guy was just talking on his phone. No warning. The cop snuck up on him and shot him.

I don't know all of the details of the case, but I did watch the video. When is he actually shot? It looks like he dives on the ground when he sees the police (was he also shot here too?) and disappears behind the isle endcap and then reappears on his feet moving towards officers (and the gun) seconds later, before he ultimately falls again (I assume he was shot here).

I know the gun involved was a BB gun that he was purchasing at the store, not an actual rifle. I know that there was a 911 call to the police saying that he was pointing it at people and (threatening?) people (which store camera footage showed wasn't true). That being said, obviously the officers who responded had no clue that it wasn't a real weapon.

I would personally think that the likelihood that I would be shot would go up dramatically if I walked into a walmart swing around one of my AR-15s, even if I didn't point it at anyone, despite being white, especially after all of these mass shootings. I don't think that guy was doing anything wrong, and I don't think it was handled correctly, but shit... why the hell does a store even sell things like that that aren't in packaging.

 

[pauldun170]

López Obrador says six Mexicans are among the dead in El Paso and plans legal action to protect them in the U.S.

MEXICO CITY — Mexican officials on Sunday angrily denounced the mass shooting in El Paso and announced unusual actions to protect Mexicans in the United States — including possibly charging the perpetrator in Mexican courts.


President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said six Mexicans were among the 20 killed in the attack Saturday in the border city, and seven more were wounded.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.663ad2ca19d5

The intentionality of the attack against the Mexicans and the Latino community in El Paso is frightening," Mexico's ambassador to Washington, Martha Bárcena, wrote on Twitter.
...

The Mexican government would also ask Mexico's attorney general to consider charging the suspect, identified as a 21-year-old Texan, with committing terrorist acts against Mexicans in the United States.

"As far as I know, this would be the first case of this type in history," Ebrard said. The Mexican government could even seek to extradite the suspect, he said.

"For Mexico, this individual is a terrorist," he said.


https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/L-pez-Obrador-s-government-plans-legal-action-to-14279643.php

Hey Mexico, no need to beat around the bush.
Mexicans were the targeted victims of terrorism, where the terrorist was a US national embracing ideology promoted by the US regime.
Mexico should break out the drones and get those drone strikes going to start addressing the various terrorist groups targeting it's nationals.

 

[Jaskalas]

Who still thinks Antifa beating the crap out of white supremacists is a bad thing?

There was a time when Democrats stood for peace and civility amidst a moral panic against Muslims. Now you're inciting the same panic against Republican voters.

When a man stands as judge, jury, and executioner - they also decide who the "good ones" are. That is not justice, and it damn well is not moral.

 

[pmv]

There was a time when Democrats stood for peace and civility amidst a moral panic against Muslims. Now you're inciting the same panic against Republican voters.

When a man stands as judge, jury, and executioner - they also decide who the "good ones" are. That is not justice, and it damn well is not moral.

Did you just sneak in an equation of 'white supremacists' with 'Republican voters'?

Subtly done.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Looks like one of the smartest men alive had a moment of clarity and understood exactly the point I make here, though some hardheads refuse to absorb it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neil-degarasse-tyson-slammed-for-tweet-about-mass-shooting-data

Keep screaming about what they tell you is important, puppets.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Looks like one of the smartest men alive had a moment of clarity and understood exactly the point I make here, though some hardheads refuse to absorb it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neil-degarasse-tyson-slammed-for-tweet-about-mass-shooting-data

Keep screaming about what they tell you is important, puppets.

Neil is fucking wrong on this. But feel free to rub one out thinking you guys are on the same level on any topic
You vapid, racist, shitbag cvnt of a troll

 

[SlowSpyder]

Neil is fucking wrong on this. But feel free to rub one out thinking you guys are on the same level on any topic
You vapid, racist, shitbag cvnt of a troll

Why do you assume you're smarter than this man of color? Don't be a racist.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I actually agree with Neil 100% on this. It doesn't make it any less of an issue, but he's not wrong at all. The responses to his tweet show his point. This is ALL emotional. It has always been. It's all about fear. Fear is what leads you to allow things to happen that you wouldn't normally allow. Fear is how you end up Nazi Germany.

People either want facts or they don't want facts. In this case, no one wants facts because it gets in the way of their emotions.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why do you assume you're smarter than this man of color? Don't be a racist.

I am not assuming anything about Neil DeGrasse Tyson about anything other than this.

 

[glenn1]

This is ALL emotional. It has always been. It's all about fear. Fear is what leads you to allow things to happen that you wouldn't normally allow.

The left being afraid is good. Maybe they’ll think twice before trying to impose their proletariat revolution on the rest of us. Maybe they’ll remember the people whose wealth they want to distribute might not voluntarily go along with that.

 

[TheVrolok]

Neil is fucking wrong on this. But feel free to rub one out thinking you guys are on the same level on any topic
You vapid, racist, shitbag cvnt of a troll

He's not wrong at all with regard to the data, but just like SlowTroll his conclusion is entirely wrong. We are doing many, many, many things to reduce the rates of death from smoking, medical error, the flu, etc. We aren't doing nearly enough (read: nothing) about gun violence. To miss that incredibly obvious point is ignorance, stupidity, intellectual dishonesty, trolling or likely some combination of the aforementioned.

 

[theeedude]

There was a time when Democrats stood for peace and civility amidst a moral panic against Muslims. Now you're inciting the same panic against Republican voters.

When a man stands as judge, jury, and executioner - they also decide who the "good ones" are. That is not justice, and it damn well is not moral.

I love how you immediately equated "white supremacists" to "Republican voters."

 

[ImpulsE69]

He's not wrong at all with regard to the data, but just like SlowTroll his conclusion is entirely wrong. We are doing many, many, many things to reduce the rates of death from smoking, medical error, the flu, etc. We aren't doing nearly enough (read: nothing) about gun violence. To miss that incredibly obvious point is ignorance, stupidity, intellectual dishonesty, trolling or likely some combination of the aforementioned.

And how quickly they turn just because you disagree with how it was stated. Hmmph. What you really mean to say is 'my opinion (and others who agree with me) are the only right ones, anyone else is an idiot.'. Or in other words, another day another 'me me me' post.

The guy is smarter than, and knows more than probably anyone on this forum. Shame on him for making points that don't go along with the status quo of blame everyone but the people who do the wrongs. He gave no opinions on the subject, just pointed out the numbers and the psychology behind the spectacle and look at the reactions. The country has lost their collective common sense.

 

[IronWing]

The left being afraid is good. Maybe they’ll think twice before trying to impose their proletariat revolution on the rest of us. Maybe they’ll remember the people whose wealth they want to distribute might not voluntarily go along with that.

^ A fascist fuck arrives.

 

[HomerJS]

From what I saw of the John Crawford situation I'd agree, that wasn't a good play by the police. But it does sound like they were called in to a situation with a man possibly with a gun pointing it at people. Not great information to go on.

It happens. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen.

Now back to the question, did the El Paso shooter give up and follow police orders? Did he resist to the point that they needed to get physical with him? You're trying to manufacture racism again.

Want to talk about real racist issues? Then let's talk about what the El Paso shooter believed, his agenda, what made him do what he did. I'm on board with stopping that kind of behavior, educating people so they aren't so ignorant and hateful. That's a real issue and deserves attention., let's talk about how we can stop that kind of thing from happening again. But Eric Garner? He should have listened to the police, if he did then he'd probably be here today.

You failed to acknowledge Levar Jones. You said black people will be fine if they just act like you want and follow orders. What about Levar???????

 

[glenn1]

^ A fascist fuck arrives.

Oh you’re gonna call me a bad name, that will will teach me. Next I’m sure you’ll probably call me a virgin or something.

 

[HomerJS]

Looks like one of the smartest men alive had a moment of clarity and understood exactly the point I make here, though some hardheads refuse to absorb it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neil-degarasse-tyson-slammed-for-tweet-about-mass-shooting-data

Keep screaming about what they tell you is important, puppets.

I didn't see 2nd hand smoke on his list.

BTW - You guys used to hate NDT. Now you're a fan?

I guarentee if Neil had said that after the Boston Bombing or Fort Hood you righties would switch your opinions on Neil faster then Jan 20 2017.

 

[TheVrolok]

And how quickly they turn just because you disagree with how it was stated. Hmmph. What you really mean to say is 'my opinion (and others who agree with me) are the only right ones, anyone else is an idiot.'. Or in other words, another day another 'me me me' post.

The guy is smarter than, and knows more than probably anyone on this forum. Shame on him for making points that don't go along with the status quo of blame everyone but the people who do the wrongs. He gave no opinions on the subject, just pointed out the numbers and the psychology behind the spectacle and look at the reactions. The country has lost their collective common sense.

What are you talking about? I don't disagree with his opinion at all, in fact I said what he literally said about the numbers is absolutely correct.. But his premise is based, just like Slows, that we aren't already doing tons about the other issues, or, that we can't do it all to a degree simultaneously. Please tell me what is "me me me" about my post, be specific.

I don't have any emotion tied up in these shootings, I'm not related in any way to either of them. I don't feel any sense of loss. Its just that saying "well, other stuff kills more people" is a pretty dumb policy argument.

So what if he's a brilliant astrophysicist? Why do you think that makes him smarter than anyone on this forum? By extension, why do you think he knows more than anyone on this forum? (that's a pretty inane thing to assume)

He's obviously a content expert on astrophysics, but that doesn't mean he knows anything about gun violence. I'm a big NdGT fan, and listen to StarTalk regularly.. NGT says dumb things unrelated to astrophysics all the time, so what?

Talk about appeal to authority...

 

[IronWing]

Oh you’re gonna call me a bad name, that will will teach me. Next I’m sure you’ll probably call me a virgin or something.

You don't seem to consider being a fascist fuck a bad thing.

 

[glenn1]

You don't seem to consider being a fascist fuck a bad thing.

Anything is better than being a progressive.

 

[balloonshark]

The left being afraid is good. Maybe they’ll think twice before trying to impose their proletariat revolution on the rest of us. Maybe they’ll remember the people whose wealth they want to distribute might not voluntarily go along with that.

terrorism
[ ter-uh-riz-uh m ]

noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
________________________________________________________________________________________

You just admitted that you think it's "good" to see terrorism against half the country in a mass shooting topic. Maybe you should voluntarily give up your guns and seek help before you hurt someone.

 

[umbrella39]

^ A fascist fuck arrives.

eToughGuys get boners every time these happen. One day they, too, might snap but that would require more work than they are willing to put in. For now they can only idolize these killers that walked the walk.

For now their forum shitposts will have to settle to be their ears and nose trophies of the day, week, month, year, miserable lives...