Yale student screaming at professor for not providing safe space

[OCNewbie]

You mean <gasp> politeness?

I'm all for civil discourse, but I get the impression that you're not just opposed to the manner of delivery of a message/idea, but that you feel that certain ideas shouldn't be expressed, if they have a high likelihood of being deemed offensive.

 

[1prophet]

Ironic how the very fascist censorship that we were warned about is coming from so called liberals in our higher educational institutions who were once the beacons of free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhjyB3QfEg

Sad that it's the progressive left pushing this stuff these days

 

[TechBoyJK]

Thanks for being such a fine example of the core problem. :thumbsup:

No, when you don't get what you want, you make people feel like shit about it by insulting them and putting them down. Your response proved that.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

No, when you don't get what you want, you make people feel like shit about it by insulting them and putting them down. Your response proved that.

Wait, now you're complaining that I hurt your feelings? And I should be more thoughtful in my comments? You really are the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[OCNewbie]

Wait, now you're complaining that I hurt your feelings? And I should be more thoughtful in my comments? You really are the gift that keeps on giving.

Maybe he's guilty as well, but if you're OK with that, that is total hypocrisy on your part.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Maybe he's guilty as well, but if you're OK with that, that is total hypocrisy on your part.

Where's the hypocrisy? Apparently we're now in complete agreement that the words you use should take others' feelings into consideration.

 

[Zorba]

You mean <gasp> politeness?

How is someone saying that kids should be able to pick their own Halloween costumes unpolite? Much less something worthy of losing one's job over.

IMHO, anyone that calls for someone else's job over getting their feelings hurt is about the lowest of the low. It is nothing but a modern lynch mob.

 

[Zorba]

Ironic how the very fascist censorship that we were warned about is coming from so called liberals in our higher educational institutions who were once the beacons of free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhjyB3QfEg

It is coming exactly the way Ray Bradbury warned us it would.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

How is someone saying that kids should be able to pick their own Halloween costumes unpolite? Much less something worthy of losing one's job over.

IMHO, anyone that calls for someone else's job over getting their feelings hurt is about the lowest of the low. It is nothing but a modern lynch mob.

You're right, there's nothing impolite at all with how this white lady was whitesplaining why it was A-OK to have kids running around as charicatures of those "others" types. So no problem...

 

[Sulaco]

You're right, there's nothing impolite at all with how this white lady was whitesplaining why it was A-OK to have kids running around as charicatures of those "others" types. So no problem...

Yeah, how rude and thoughtless of her:

But in practice, I wonder if we should reflect more transparently, as a community, on the consequences of an institutional (which is to say: bureaucratic and administrative) exercise of implied control over college students.

Yeah. That stupid 'white lady' "whitesplaining" her white whiteness all over her white privilege by saying, essentially, "You're adults. Talk to the people whose costumes offend you, discuss it. Persuade. But perhaps expecting institutionalized censorship is not the way we should confront our problems?" is so impolite.

Honestly, just stop. When you have to invent words like "whitesplaining" and immediately dismiss the content of the message because of color of the skin of the deliverer, and the implied accusation that she could not possibly have the depth of understanding to hold such an opinion because of her color, you've lost.

And you wonder why you're the laughing stock of this thread. For the record, I was with you up until that last post. A little more decorum and civility would certainly benefit both sides. But when true decorum and civility becomes not-so-code words for "You don't get an opinion because you're the wrong color!", you know you're going to lose the debate in any context and continue to be mocked and marginalized.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

You're right, there's nothing impolite at all with how this white lady was whitesplaining why it was A-OK to have kids running around as charicatures of those "others" types. So no problem...

Are you seriously this daft?

It never ceases to amaze me just how intolerant sjws are as they preach for tolerance.

Feeewlings >>>>>Rights

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yeah. That stupid 'white lady' "whitesplaining" her white whiteness all over her white privilege by saying, essentially, "You're adults. Talk to the people whose costumes offend you, discuss it. Persuade. But perhaps expecting institutionalized censorship is not the way we should confront our problems?" is so impolite.

Putting that responsibility entirely back on those "others" is exactly where she blindly veers off into white privilege. The lady has a point buried in there, but she's piling a ton of "it's not us it's them" on top of it. Should she be banned from saying it? No. Should specific Halloween costumes be banned? No. Should people be throwing very loud public tantrums over any of this? No. But when you're solely relying on someone to "tell you they are offended" instead of putting maybe just bit more forethought into your words or actions you can't always expect a polite "excuse me I am offended..." in return.

As for me wondering about being a laughingstock or anything else in this thread, no, there's no wondering at all about where exactly any of that is coming from.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The title of this thread should be changed to 'Gonad's epic self ownage'.

 

[Sulaco]

The title of this thread should be changed to 'Gonad's epic self ownage'.

That was insensitive and that opinion offends me. You're not allowed to have it anymore.

Don't make me whitesplain to you what a meaniehead face you are.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

How about "Gonad got exactly what he expected?" I realize the perspective that when you offend someone, it may actually be a failing on your own part, and not necessarily the part of the one you offended, or a point a of pride that you did so, or completely excused because "freedom" can seem like an existential threat to some people. Scary, I know.

 

[justoh]

Offense is taken, not given. Dickhead

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Offense is taken, not given. Dickhead

You realize intentionally trying to offend me completely contradicts the point you're trying to make and just further proves mine, right?

No, no, of course you don't.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

You realize intentionally trying to offend me completely contradicts the point you're trying to make and just further proves mine, right?

No, no, it doesn't.

Everyone takes offense at something or another. The question is to what extent do you take offense, and what do you do afterwards.

Right now there is a pandemic of professional victims running amuck, and their philosophy is to take offense at EVERYTHING! That's not a productive road to travel down, unless you are the immoral scam artist at the top. Stop listening to these cult leaders!

 

[TechBoyJK]

You realize intentionally trying to offend me completely contradicts the point you're trying to make and just further proves mine, right?

No, no, of course you don't.

No, it just means at this point nobody gives a shit what you say, and you're being trolled out of blatant disrespect. ie.. you've lost more respect in this thread than you've earned.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

No, it just means at this point nobody gives a shit what you say, and you're being trolled out of blatant disrespect. ie.. you've lost more respect in this thread than you've earned.

I am not trolling him. I am hoping against hope that we can convince him/her to rethink their stance on such matters. The last thing we need is more SJWs floating around giving progressives a bad name.

 

[justoh]

You realize intentionally trying to offend me completely contradicts the point you're trying to make and just further proves mine, right?

No, no, of course you don't.

Your mother was a hamster?

 

[Zorba]

You're right, there's nothing impolite at all with how this white lady was whitesplaining why it was A-OK to have kids running around as charicatures of those "others" types. So no problem...

Yeah, you aren't racist or offensive. And if that is what you got out of that letter then you are either a simpleton or you completely let your prejudices dictate your interpretation of the letter.

 

[OCNewbie]

Where's the hypocrisy?

I said if you're OK with (doing) this:

<snip> when you don't get what you want, you make people feel like shit about it by insulting them and putting them down.

then you're a hypocrite for these other things you have said:

You're right, and it makes it all the more important to consider the potential impact one's words and actions have on others.

Apparently we're now in complete agreement that the words you use should take others' feelings into consideration.

You seem to be in conflict with yourself about this one.

 

[Hugo Drax]

It is coming exactly the way Ray Bradbury warned us it would.

Sad thing is I bet none of those students have ever read that book.

 

[werepossum]

Ironic how the very fascist censorship that we were warned about is coming from so called liberals in our higher educational institutions who were once the beacons of free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhjyB3QfEg

Yup. It's why I've come to so strongly differentiate between liberal and progressive. Liberal is still our Western ideal; progressive seeks to tear down pretty much everything Western liberalism has built.

It is coming exactly the way Ray Bradbury warned us it would.

Yep. When he wrote it, it was the right doing it. Now it's the left. Either way, the reek is the is same.

Yeah, how rude and thoughtless of her:
Yeah. That stupid 'white lady' "whitesplaining" her white whiteness all over her white privilege by saying, essentially, "You're adults. Talk to the people whose costumes offend you, discuss it. Persuade. But perhaps expecting institutionalized censorship is not the way we should confront our problems?" is so impolite.

Honestly, just stop. When you have to invent words like "whitesplaining" and immediately dismiss the content of the message because of color of the skin of the deliverer, and the implied accusation that she could not possibly have the depth of understanding to hold such an opinion because of her color, you've lost.

And you wonder why you're the laughing stock of this thread. For the record, I was with you up until that last post. A little more decorum and civility would certainly benefit both sides. But when true decorum and civility becomes not-so-code words for "You don't get an opinion because you're the wrong color!", you know you're going to lose the debate in any context and continue to be mocked and marginalized.

Damned well said.