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HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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No you weren't... you're trying to pick a fight. Spidey already give you the correct response.

I don't want a fight. You win, fight over.

Either you are having a bad day, or you are trolling. Your comment flies in the face of your stance on guns.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, you have to walk what you talk.

I don't know what I can do other than buy a deactivated gun and post photo's. I do plan to, as soon as I get one this will be the first place for me to post it, I've been thinking about it for a while, and I started talking to a friend about it tonight and it got me excited about the idea.

Then I came on here found loads of gun threads, so I thought I'd ask.

Also, if your bad day comment was in reference to suicidal feelings, I don't feel like that at the moment at all, I'm in a really good mood.
 

Capt Caveman

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This involves no parody, no hypocrisy, no trolling, I've no interest in gaining your attention either. This a genuine thread, with a legitimate question and I'm asking the right audience as there is collective knowledge here about the subject matter.

It's all of them and you know it. You know you're not going to get any serious replies based on your previous trolling. If you're serious, go find a UK forum to ask the question. You've ruined your chance to ask any serious question about guns here.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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It's all of them and you know it. You know you're not going to get any serious replies based on your previous trolling. If you're serious, go find a UK forum to ask the question.

It seems as though I may have to based on the responses here.
 

davmat787

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Wow, even air rifles are restricted in England. Any air rifle with greater than 12 pounds of muzzle energy is subject to the firearm act. Any air rifle powered by C02 are subject to the firearm act as well.

Air rifles which produce muzzle energy higher than 12 foot pounds and air pistols higher than 6 foot pounds at the muzzle, are classed as firearms and an FAC is necessary to possess them legally. If the gun is below the stated figures then no certification of any kind is required to either, buy, possess or use them. The onus is on the owner of the gun to ensure that it does not exceed those power levels. If the gun does exceed those levels, even if the owner is completely unaware of the fact, then the owner is guilty of illegal possession of a firearm.

People over the age of 18 may purchase and own low-powered air rifles and air pistols, and the ammunition for them, and use them, but only where they have specific permission to shoot.

People between 14 and 17 may borrow (but not own or purchase) low-powered air rifles and air pistols, and the ammunition for them, and may use them without supervision, on private premises where they have specific permission to shoot. People in this age group may NOT buy or hire an air rifle, air pistol or ammunition, or receive them as a gift. People in this age group may NOT have an air rifle or air pistol in a public place unless supervised by somebody aged 21 or over, AND have a reasonable excuse to do so.

People under 14 years of age may only use low-powered air rifles and air pistols on private property where they have specific permission to shoot, AND whilst they are under the direct supervision of someone 21 years of age or older. People in this age group may NOT buy, hire or receive an air rifle, air pistol or ammunition as a gift, or shoot, anywhere at any time, unless supervised by somebody aged 21 or over.

Any person on private property without permission is trespassing, and if that person has an air rifle or an air pistol, even a low-powered one in their possession, then they are committing the offence of armed trespass. It is irrelevant whether the gun is loaded or not, or even whether the person has any pellets in their possession. The mere possession of the airgun is sufficient for conviction. Armed trespass is a serious criminal offence carrying heavy penalties.

Air guns which make use of self-contained air or gas cartridges, where the gas or air propellant and the pellet or bullet are contained within a single self-contained cartridge are now prohibited. (The most common example was the Brocock revolver). People who owned such airguns prior to the ban in 2004 were permitted to retain them, but only if they were entered on an FAC. Even the ones held on an FAC may not now be sold, or even given away. The only permitted method of disposal is to hand them to the police for destruction. Possession of such airguns without an FAC carries exactly the same penalties as those for possession of other unauthorised firearms.

http://www.marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk/general/gunlaw.htm#Air_Gun_Information
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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Wow, even air rifles are restricted in England. Any air rifle with greater than 12 pounds of muzzle energy is subject to the firearm act. Any air rifle powered by C02 are subject to the firearm act as well.

Very true.

In any event, I'm looking for a deactivated real gun.
 
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HAL... Nobody in America even understands the concept of owning a deactivated gun. You either own a firearm or you don't. The very concept of paying good money for a device that has been 'pre-broken' for you blows my mind.

Take your ridiculous UK concept and post it up on an equally ridiculous UK deactivated gun enthusiast board.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Buying a deactivated gun is legal.

Buying a replica gun is not. (unless you meet certain requirements, which I do not)

1) I don't know why
2) I don't care why
3) I'm not interested in getting into it.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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HAL... Nobody in America even understands the concept of owning a deactivated gun. You either own a firearm or you don't. The very concept of paying good money for a device that has been 'pre-broken' for you blows my mind.

Take your ridiculous UK concept and post it up on an equally ridiculous UK deactivated gun enthusiast board.

Shame I thought you guys would get this. Owning a gun even though you've got no intent to shoot it. etc.
 
Jun 27, 2005
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Come on people, don't derail the thread, talk about the OP.

Most people are. The content of the OP is fucking stupid. Take it to a board where people pay top dollar for intentionally broken shit with no intention of ever fixing it.
 

mizzou

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HAL... Nobody in America even understands the concept of owning a deactivated gun. You either own a firearm or you don't. The very concept of paying good money for a device that has been 'pre-broken' for you blows my mind.

Take your ridiculous UK concept and post it up on an equally ridiculous UK deactivated gun enthusiast board.

i could see it making some semblance of sense if you just want something in a display case...but it should cost like $10 max. Spending enough $ to buy a real pistol that is broken is like paying $40,000 for a BMW that is smashed and torn apart at the junkyard

do people SERIOUSLY buy this crap?
 

pontifex

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for someone so adamant against guns, why? how can you love guns but be against people having them? Whats the fucking point then? plus you want to play a bad-ass who has a gun, which is what you supposedly rail against in every thread.

buying a deactivated gun seems pointless, especially if you want to buy accessories for a non-working gun.

If it was a historical weapon, like a Enfield No. 1 Mark III that was used by your country or a Colt Single Action Army, I could see some point in that, but a modern pistol? But you wouldn't buy accessories for those or really "play" with them like you want to do, which is another weird thing.

You're against gun ownership but you want one (deactivated because you can't legally own a real one). Seriously, just admit that you're a lying troll.

might as well just buy airsoft, at least you can do something with that.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Most people are. The content of the OP is fucking stupid. Take it to a board where people pay top dollar for intentionally broken shit with no intention of ever fixing it.

It's not broken, it's just a different thing from owning a live gun, it's an ornament not a weapon.
 
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Hal is absolutely the best troll I've ever seen. Across irc, isp chatrooms, multiple forums etc etc etc no one else has consistently trolled the way he has.
 
Jun 27, 2005
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Shame I thought you guys would get this. Owning a gun even though you've got no intent to shoot it. etc.

Other than a collectable antique... Why would you ever own a gun without the intent to shoot it. It doesn't do anything else. It has no other purpose.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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i could see it making some semblance of sense if you just want something in a display case...but it should cost like $10 max. Spending enough $ to buy a real pistol that is broken is like paying $40,000 for a BMW that is smashed and torn apart at the junkyard

do people SERIOUSLY buy this crap?

Ornaments.

for someone so adamant against guns, why? how can you love guns but be against people having them? Whats the fucking point then? plus you want to play a bad-ass who has a gun, which is what you supposedly rail against in every thread.

Read bold part of OP.

buying a deactivated gun seems pointless, especially if you want to buy accessories for a non-working gun.

If it was a historical weapon, like a Enfield No. 1 Mark III that was used by your country or a Colt Single Action Army, I could see some point in that, but a modern pistol? But you wouldn't buy accessories for those or really "play" with them like you want to do, which is another weird thing.

Think of it as a toy.

You're against gun ownership but you want one (deactivated because you can't legally own a real one). Seriously, just admit that you're a lying troll.

might as well just buy airsoft, at least you can do something with that.

I'm not lying and the airsoft thing has been gone into in this thread already.