YAGT - Should I buy a "security" shotgun?

[brblx]

honestly, my biggest reason for that statement? mythbusters. they tested with trained guard dogs and afaik pretty much nothing worked...until they just threw the dog a piece of meat and went around him. kind of kills the defense expectations of your typical domesticated dog, imo.

Stock all the way.
IMO, pistol grip just doesn't give you the rock-sold body firing position from which to make the highest quality decisions. With a pistol grip you're aiming with your arms, squeezing with your hands, and your arms are ready to move to take up recoil. It's a recipe for muscular confusion where a shot might be let off accidentally at an unexpected sight/sound. With it locked to your shoulder the duties of your arms/hands are much simplified, and everything important is right in your immediate field of view.

That you can fire a pistol grip just fine on the range ain't the point at all, because it ain't about employing the weapon, it's about NOT employing it for ALL circumstances in which it is not called for. And in that I give the edge to the stock.

and for the record i totally agree with that first paragraph. but the second one may have melted my brain while trying to decode it.

it's really just about personal preference and confidence. i don't mean to seem silly here, but i will state that i play a lot of airsoft with a full-length m16, and i have little problem navigating CQB environments. just as most of us did in the army (yes, i have done [simulated] room clearing with a real one, too), i grab the pistol grip and the magwell, tuck my arms in and have a VERY solid and manueverable position. the biggest issue is the barrel, not the stock. even if you're as 'tactical' as possible, that's still a long barrel to bring around a corner, and you're very exposed, especially if you're turning towards your dominant side. you'll be exposed for a long time before you have a shot. best option is switch hands and short stack it, which negates the stock, anyway.

i guess my opinion based on real world military training (no combat action) + real life simulations (that are, yes, games with toys) is just that it is SO much easier to maneuever a pistol around a corner than full-stocked rifle or shotgun, even with the shortest legal barrel.

 

[Sa7aN]

just get a black remmington 870 18.5", 6 in the tube plus a side saddle on it, if you need more than 12 rounds of 00 buck you might want to rethink where you live, a 3" shell of 00 buck has 12 .33" (.33 caliber) pellets.

plus you also gain a deterrent when owning a pump action, just racking it in the dead of the night will make the person think twice about being in your house. and you can always rack it slow to make it damn near silent if you dont want to make your presence known.

 

[Kelvrick]

Everyone who has recommended birdshot is stupid and must be hoping whoever they shoot isn't willing to sue them. If you're going to shoot someone, STOP them, COMPLETELY. The FBI recommends 12+ inches of penetration through ballistics gelatin. That means yes, it will go through some walls. Take your $300 shotgun, buy 100+ worth of federal flite control low recoil 00 buck and spend another few hundred and take a course.

Regarding the pistol grip, definitely don't get it for a mossberg. You'd have to release your grip to activate or deactivate the safety.

 

[schneiderguy]

Get the Mossberg 500 combo with the 18" and 28" barrel from Big 5 if there's one near you. They're like $280 on sale. Shoot trap/skeet with the 28" barrel until you're proficient at hitting small moving targets then you should be good to go for home defense.

 

[schneiderguy]

Everyone who has recommended birdshot is stupid and must be hoping whoever they shoot isn't willing to sue them. If you're going to shoot someone, STOP them, COMPLETELY. The FBI recommends 12+ inches of penetration through ballistics gelatin.

Agreed.

 

[Kirby]

Winchester Model 1300 Defender

 

[Fayd]

It makes it much more difficult to aim and control the weapon. It's not like you're going to put it up against your face so you can see down the barrel...not unless you like broken cheek bones.

...do you ever shoot shotguns? cause that sounds absolutely retarded.

RE the op and the pistol grip, try it out, see if you like it.

 

[alkemyst]

The grip is up to you, with 00 buckshot in a hallway you don't need to aim, just get the right choke. 00 buckshot is pretty nasty and in a hallway or close quarters you should only need on shot. I say get a semi auto too, hell with pumping just pull the trigger

"no need to aim a shotgun in close quarters"

what game you playing now? Left4Dead?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

do you ave any experience with guns? at least take a course or find someone that can teach you to use it safely. then practice with it. it's not going to do you any good if you can't hit the broadside of a barn.

and contrary to popular belief, shotgun buckshot spread is not that much, especially at close ranges.

its point and shoot, not that complicated. Did you need a course for firing your first water gun too?

 

[arcenite]

Some people in this thread are confusing a shotgun with a BFG.

 

[pontifex]

its point and shoot, not that complicated. Did you need a course for firing your first water gun too?

yep, and then i gave your mom a course with my flesh gun.

dumbass replies get dumbass answers

 

[brainhulk]

imho, u can't beat quad barrel for HD

 

[sourceninja]

Difficult to aim and control:

umm that's airsoft...it should be really easy to aim and control.

 

[lokiju]

I have a Mossberg 590 with pistol grip.

Hurts like a mofo on the palm after putting a number of rounds through it but it'll stop anyone instantly and is short enough to easily maneuver around the halls of a home.

 

[Kelvrick]

I have a Mossberg 590 with pistol grip.

Hurts like a mofo on the palm after putting a number of rounds through it but it'll stop anyone instantly and is short enough to easily maneuver around the halls of a home.

How do you like the fact that you relinquish any real control you have over the shotgun if you have to activate or deactivate the safety. Everything else aside, that alone should make it a big no-no for pistol grips on mossbergs. If you want a pistol, get a remington or other with a trigger guard style safety.

 

[TheNinja]

How do you like the fact that you relinquish any real control you have over the shotgun if you have to activate or deactivate the safety. Everything else aside, that alone should make it a big no-no for pistol grips on mossbergs. If you want a pistol, get a remington or other with a trigger guard style safety.

Ya, that is a concern with the Mossberg for me as well. I like the price on the Mossberg I just have to decide if I want to go pistol only grip.

Also does a 18.5 vs 20 in barrel really matter that much? I like the 20" barrel b/c it holds 8. The 18.5" only seem to come in 6 shot mode.

Realitically I'm probably not shooting 6-8 shots though. If I don't hit after 2 the people probably aren't sticking around anyway.

 

[JulesMaximus]

umm that's airsoft...it should be really easy to aim and control.

No shit sherlock. I just wanted to illustrate the difference between a shotgun with a pistol grip and one with pistol grip and shoulder stock. It looks exactly the same as a pump shotgun with a pistol grip.

 

[nick1985]

The grip is up to you, with 00 buckshot in a hallway you don't need to aim, just get the right choke. 00 buckshot is pretty nasty and in a hallway or close quarters you should only need on shot. I say get a semi auto too, hell with pumping just pull the trigger

This is 100% wrong. In the distance you are talking, the spread will be smaller than the size of your first. To say you do not have to aim is just flat wrong, you do need to aim.

 

[JulesMaximus]

...do you ever shoot shotguns? cause that sounds absolutely retarded.

RE the op and the pistol grip, try it out, see if you like it.

I own 3 shotguns. Two 12 gauge pumps and a 20 gauge O/U. A pistol grip only doesn't give you as great a control over aiming as shouldering the weapon and is a disadvantage for shooting anything beyond room distances. That is a fact.

 

[nick1985]

Also, pistol grips are a gimic.

And anyone recommending birdshot is a fool.

That is all.

 

[Kirby]

Also does a 18.5 vs 20 in barrel really matter that much? I like the 20" barrel b/c it holds 8. The 18.5" only seem to come in 6 shot mode.

Some of the Winchester Defenders have 18" barrel and 8 rounds.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Everyone who has recommended birdshot is stupid and must be hoping whoever they shoot isn't willing to sue them. If you're going to shoot someone, STOP them, COMPLETELY. The FBI recommends 12+ inches of penetration through ballistics gelatin. That means yes, it will go through some walls. Take your $300 shotgun, buy 100+ worth of federal flite control low recoil 00 buck and spend another few hundred and take a course.

Regarding the pistol grip, definitely don't get it for a mossberg. You'd have to release your grip to activate or deactivate the safety.

This varies by state. For example, under Ohio castle doctrine law, you have civil immunity from the attacker and their family.

 

[Kirby]

Also, pistol grips are a gimic.

And anyone recommending birdshot is a fool.

That is all.

Agreed. Pistol grips also make it completely useless if you want to use it for anything else.

 

[TheNinja]

Agreed. Pistol grips also make it completely useless if you want to use it for anything else.

Folding stock?? Some of them look hideous, but it would be useful for taking up less space, hiding, and traveling I think.

 

[nick1985]

Folding stock?? Some of them look hideous, but it would be useful for taking up less space, hiding, and traveling I think.

A folding stock is much different than a pistol grip