YAGT: OMG I love guns

[BlitzPuppet]

I paid 1.70/round for some match grade .223! I had little choice if I wanted to shoot. Its funny because i bought some regular stuff at $1/round and hesitated to buy more...I should have because now I see what a great deal that was!

Jesus Christ, I bitched when it cost $10 to fill up a mag (20 rds at .50 a pop) since it went so fast. I can't imagine paying 2-3x that...rediculous.

Guess I'll just have to wait

 

[ManBearPig]

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[HumblePie]

I had someone try to offer me a straight trade of his Savage .308 Axis XP with Nikon Prostaff scope for my bushmaster. Told him I'm not trading a gun that cost me from a store at non gouging prices over $1000 for a $300 gun I can buy at any store right now with a $75 scope. Just wasn't going to happen.

 

[shortylickens]

All you guys talking about gouging, clearly never had Econ 101 in college.

 

[HumblePie]

All you guys talking about gouging, clearly never had Econ 101 in college.

I don't think it's gouging personally. Just seems to be the flavor word of the month to use. gouging would be on a basic necessity of life. Water for example or gasoline. When a hurricane may strike an area and a gas station decides to put their price up to $40 a gallon.... that's gouging.

 

[RampantAndroid]

My local store had a base model Daniel Defense 5.56 AR15 with their lightweight handguard for 1900, and a LE6920 for 2000. Still above normal prices, but not the $7500 I saw stuff going for a month ago.

Also, question:
Got into an arguement at Wades with the rangemaster. They banned 30-06 but allow .308. The rangemaster claimed 30-06 is always more powerful, and that garand loads are exceptionally powerful. Last I looked, Garand loads were lower grain bullets with less powder, because you risk damaging the operating rod - if pressures are too high, you slam the rod back hard and bend it.

This guy wasn't going to budge...and I want to make sure I'm right before I'm an absolute dick to them.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[RampantAndroid]

Isn't the le6920 usually like $999?

At this gun shop they were usually 1300-1500 or so if I remember right. Regardless, the price and the very fact that the store's wall of guns was fully stock again amazed me.

Have people finally realized that rushing out to buy guns is a REALLY dumb idea?

 

[HumblePie]

At this gun shop they were usually 1300-1500 or so if I remember right. Regardless, the price and the very fact that the store's wall of guns was fully stock again amazed me.

Have people finally realized that rushing out to buy guns is a REALLY dumb idea?

I think people just ran out of money. I think quite a few people bought what they want (regardless of the price they paid) and are not sitting tight. Those that bought "extra" in the attempt to get in on the over priced frenzy are now going to be stuck with stock that won't sell as quickly as the frenzy dies down.

I know I am no longer in the market for the "panic" guns like the AR15 and AK47 and others. I'm after guns that are going for "normal" prices that didn't raise during the last two months. I can also hold off for a good price.

 

[moonbogg]

I think people just ran out of money. I think quite a few people bought what they want (regardless of the price they paid) and are not sitting tight. Those that bought "extra" in the attempt to get in on the over priced frenzy are now going to be stuck with stock that won't sell as quickly as the frenzy dies down.

I know I am no longer in the market for the "panic" guns like the AR15 and AK47 and others. I'm after guns that are going for "normal" prices that didn't raise during the last two months. I can also hold off for a good price.

Got me a new savage 12 BTCSS for $875 and its retail is supposed to be $1,100. I guess the demand for bolt guns was lower. The day after I bought it they raised the price to about $960. Then I got a good deal on a scope which was about $175 cheaper than retail. Too bad all those savings got destroyed on ammo costs.
I don't understand the ammo panic. Even .22lr is impossible to find and going for insane prices. Noone said anything about banning ammo.

 

[ManBearPig]

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[irishScott]

Read further up in the thread. Someone (I think irishscott) explains why. Apparently there is some legislation related to ammo or something that some lawmaker mentioned is possible.

That and what does anyone do when they buy a new gun? They shoot it. So say everyone who participated in the panic buying bought a couple boxes of ammo (which is extremely conservative), we're talking a massive spike in demand for ammo as well, just from good old capitalism. Pile on the stockpilers who are buying it by the crate, and it gets even more ridiculous.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I think people just ran out of money. I think quite a few people bought what they want (regardless of the price they paid) and are not sitting tight. Those that bought "extra" in the attempt to get in on the over priced frenzy are now going to be stuck with stock that won't sell as quickly as the frenzy dies down.

I know I am no longer in the market for the "panic" guns like the AR15 and AK47 and others. I'm after guns that are going for "normal" prices that didn't raise during the last two months. I can also hold off for a good price.

Agreed - the shop near me has plenty of handguns, just not what I want right now. They've got a good stock of 1911s, but Sigs are mostly gone, and what they do have is spotty and there are no special orders. If they get something in, that's great...if you don't want what they just got in...tough luck. Places like S&W have stopped making handguns too, and are focusing on AR15s.

All in all, during the craze I bought two guns: a Lee Enfield No 4 Mk 1, and a Hi Power....neither marked up much at all (beyond the slight gouging Wades does on everything. 800 for a hi power vs 700 on gun broker...I can deal with that. 1200 for a Springfield 1903 though...no.) I cannot help but laugh at the guy I saw paying $7500 for a SCAR, thinking that he's over $4000 behind now because he should have either bought sooner, or waited. I'm glad I bought my AR15 in the summer when it wasn't too costly. Can magazines get cheap again now? Just finding 13 round Hi Power mags is hard.

That and what does anyone do when they buy a new gun? They shoot it. So say everyone who participated in the panic buying bought a couple boxes of ammo (which is extremely conservative), we're talking a massive spike in demand for ammo as well, just from good old capitalism. Pile on the stockpilers who are buying it by the crate, and it gets even more ridiculous.

Yeah - same goes for people stock piling reloading supplies. I want to reload, but can't find powder, bullers or primers. I have tons of brass and a dillon press is easy to find.

 

[jpeyton]

There's a NIB 6920 in my local classifieds for $1600, it's been sitting unsold for a week.

Things are slowly returning back to normal. Panic buyers are running out of cash.

 

[velillen]

My local store had a base model Daniel Defense 5.56 AR15 with their lightweight handguard for 1900, and a LE6920 for 2000. Still above normal prices, but not the $7500 I saw stuff going for a month ago.

Also, question:
Got into an arguement at Wades with the rangemaster. They banned 30-06 but allow .308. The rangemaster claimed 30-06 is always more powerful, and that garand loads are exceptionally powerful. Last I looked, Garand loads were lower grain bullets with less powder, because you risk damaging the operating rod - if pressures are too high, you slam the rod back hard and bend it.

This guy wasn't going to budge...and I want to make sure I'm right before I'm an absolute dick to them.

You are correct on the garand loads. you have to be careful with pressures (pressure doesnt always just mean less powder, some powders you can have more powder but less pressure, others less powder with more pressure). Most commercial is made for modern rifles which can take higher pressures. They do make garand specific ammo commercial (new stuff) but it seems harder to find. As for bullet weights...yes and no. Alot of people use the 150gr bullets but some people for target shooting have used 168 and 176's as well. you can find normal 30-06 in all the same bullet weights.

Now a garand load 30-06 vs a 308.....similar but im sure the garand is slightly more powerful still.

 

[RampantAndroid]

You are correct on the garand loads. you have to be careful with pressures (pressure doesnt always just mean less powder, some powders you can have more powder but less pressure, others less powder with more pressure). Most commercial is made for modern rifles which can take higher pressures. They do make garand specific ammo commercial (new stuff) but it seems harder to find. As for bullet weights...yes and no. Alot of people use the 150gr bullets but some people for target shooting have used 168 and 176's as well. you can find normal 30-06 in all the same bullet weights.

Now a garand load 30-06 vs a 308.....similar but im sure the garand is slightly more powerful still.

A quick look at loads I shoot, the Garand loads are less energy and the muzzle and bleed energy faster over distances. I get so sick of people at Wades acting like spoiled children who have to be right all the time. There's some great people there, and some real pains in the neck. The rangemaster is the latter - some of these guys who were serviceman have the attitude of "I served, you're just some stupid civvie, shut up I'm better than you and know better" - not to say that's all of them though (if you go to Wades, talk to Ted. He's one of the best guys there and an absolute pleasure to deal with. I bring him up though because he was in the Army and doesn't have that same attitude some others do. I don't get it.)

 

[BladeVenom]

Remember how bad the UTS-15 did in the last gun review? Well here's another one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a050T2wFKAY

He had two of them break in a 4 minute video. Could it get any worse than that?

 

[velillen]

A quick look at loads I shoot, the Garand loads are less energy and the muzzle and bleed energy faster over distances. I get so sick of people at Wades acting like spoiled children who have to be right all the time. There's some great people there, and some real pains in the neck. The rangemaster is the latter - some of these guys who were serviceman have the attitude of "I served, you're just some stupid civvie, shut up I'm better than you and know better" - not to say that's all of them though (if you go to Wades, talk to Ted. He's one of the best guys there and an absolute pleasure to deal with. I bring him up though because he was in the Army and doesn't have that same attitude some others do. I don't get it.)

I wont ever set foot in wades again myself. I have my own reasons though and like so many others dont go spewing them to everyone

 

[RampantAndroid]

I wont ever set foot in wades again myself. I have my own reasons though and like so many others dont go spewing them to everyone

You're on the peninsula though, right? I've got a lifetime membership there because they were the best spot at the time (west coast is overly restrictive because they had a round go through their traps.) Otherwise, it's a long drive away to find a reasonable indoor range...which in WA, is important for me during the 9 months of the year where it just rains on and off. I'd tell them off in a heartbeat if I could....

 

[moonbogg]

So i figured it out. I paid $375 for 260 .223 bullets. Never again. When this shit storm stops, i'll be going the reload route and I will STOCK MY SHIT UP!!!!!!!

 

[clamum]

Remember how bad the UTS-15 did in the last gun review? Well here's another one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a050T2wFKAY

He had two of them break in a 4 minute video. Could it get any worse than that?

LOL, not surprising. After nutnfancy's fairly thorough review I concluded it was pretty crappy. I wasn't surprised when it shit the bed for FPSRussia.

 

[madoka]

Things are slowly returning back to normal. Panic buyers are running out of cash.

I haven't yet!

Just bought a couple thousand dollars worth of extra magazines.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I haven't yet!

Just bought a couple thousand dollars worth of extra magazines.

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WHY?

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You realize that either these magazines will become illegal and they will try to confiscate them, or it won't hold up...and they will remain legal. I mean no offense here, but if I remember right you bought 4 rifles that you haven't even fired yet. You're just feeding this run on everything. In a year's time, we'll all be going "remember when people paid $7,500 for a SCAR?" and laughing about it. Hell, I have a bunch of pmags I paid for in November on backorder...at $14 a mag. Larue will eventually ship them, and I'll be laughing because I've paid $14, no $140.

 

[velillen]

You're on the peninsula though, right? I've got a lifetime membership there because they were the best spot at the time (west coast is overly restrictive because they had a round go through their traps.) Otherwise, it's a long drive away to find a reasonable indoor range...which in WA, is important for me during the 9 months of the year where it just rains on and off. I'd tell them off in a heartbeat if I could....

Yup out on the Peninsula, where we dont even have indoor ranges lol. but i do go to your side of the water to shoot (brother lives there) every so often.

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WHY?

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You realize that either these magazines will become illegal and they will try to confiscate them, or it won't hold up...and they will remain legal. I mean no offense here, but if I remember right you bought 4 rifles that you haven't even fired yet. You're just feeding this run on everything. In a year's time, we'll all be going "remember when people paid $7,500 for a SCAR?" and laughing about it. Hell, I have a bunch of pmags I paid for in November on backorder...at $14 a mag. Larue will eventually ship them, and I'll be laughing because I've paid $14, no $140.

Well to be fair i've probably spent close to a grand on magazines in the last couple months. but i also havent over paid either. 12 bucks for pmags, 12 bucks for the AR 22 mags, couple Sig mags (which are always expensive), glock 20 mags, ect. All at normal prices.


Speaking of which i need to cancel some back orders of pmags i have with some places. I have more than I need and still have ~30 on back order.

 

[exdeath]

I haven't yet!

Just bought a couple thousand dollars worth of extra magazines.

Heh my goal was more specific: to completely fill a fat 50 SAW ammo can with magazines for each major rifle type . AR, M14, AK, G3, etc.

Mission accomplished. Only about 30 loaded mags per rifle on average.

Time to set a new goal

Paid normal prices for everything. Most I've paid for a pmag is $16.